Blade pure BM

People don't like Sword BMs simply because they don't excel at any particular thing for PvP or PvE. They don't have the highest spike damage or AoEs that axes do, and they don't have the quickest attack rate that fists do.

The max attack rate is like 2.22 for sword which doesn't give permanent spark because of slower chi build up, and zerk.

They are pretty much a 1v1 type class, much like fists and don't have as much spike damage as axes/poles. Their 59 ultimate doesn't do much in terms of being a support class in dealing damage, more like support tank.

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yeah, u can only reach 2.22 with demon spark, since there is no single blade with -int.

But only good things about sword i believe is that Myriad is the hardest hitting skill besides Flash. And reducing damage by 50% is.. rather nice.

I once went on fcc with pure sword bm, *sigh*

In conclusion, get to my level and out DD me. Next level with Cloud Eruption, I can hit 11k(22kcrit) per hit at 2.0 for 6 seconds.

I'm personally a fan of blades tbh. their definatly 1v1 with no spike yes but great base. Personally 4 wep bm to my forte. axes for frost, normal single blade for most parties. only time i put on fists is if i really want to kill thing quicker cause tbh. I'm a freaking DD i don't get high selection on TT mats and fist repair for a long TT is just killer when you get **** mats. I got a 83 cleric and she can heal like 10 full 2-3's for the same price my bm can fist attack through 2. and really 1.11 speed on blade and no -int the dps is under fist but not by much if you keep your mastries up to lvl. and i can still HF on cooldown + blades just look cooler. polearms are nice but i can't really say anything on those seeing as i haven't used them to often *blade mastry 8, pole 1 lol all of the skills in both trees are 1's as well which I'll fix once i max all axe skills seeing as I'll be AoE grinding alot which other then HF and frost, and maby the occasional rb is the only real time i use axes lol)

edit: all in all don't lvl relentless courage it's **** tbh. i'm assuming that's where ur 11k 2.0 aps is getting. as for the no swords with -int. roll some OHT blades you can roll a -.05 int on them last time i looked. axes were the only ones with -.1 int rollable OHT.

Zindane__ - Sanctuary wrote: »

and i'm not ignoring and attacking the cunstructive notes given by some, i'm responding to those who sit there and attack the blade build. at lvl 72, i'm hitting average 2-2.2k on mobs in TT (been mat farming) and thats without spark+, my myriad (maxed for my lvl) crit between 16-17k from what i seen thus far. and this is all at lvl 72 with a decent blade (warrior blade +3 and 1 flawless garnet) now, add 13 levels, a +5 fcc gold dual sword with a garnet gem, and depending if i add 13 lvls of str to my already 271 str or i add some to vit, and think about what the damage differance would be from there. simple fact archsaber, until you try a build first hand dont get over confident, especially if your a LA fist bm.

ah yulk remains in spirit

First off, quicken overwrites demon spark, if I'm not mistaken. You'd actually lose attack speed if you were sparked and it proc'd on you.

Secondly, you're gonna get every piece of -interval? Meaning the 200m tome and the 200m nirvana pants and full TT99 armor and then get to 2.2 attack speed instead of 5 (you'd have 5 even without the tome)? You realize, pure numbers, that hitting half as fast means you're doing half the damage per second, right? You're willingly doing HALF as much damage as you could be doing.

Nobody cares how much damage you're doing in the 70s. 2-2.2k is completely insignificant in terms of percentage changes. When you get to 100 and you're permasparked doing 15-17k per hit and 30-34k per crit at five per second and your crit rate is above 20% so it's statistically at least one crit per second and someone uses HF or a veno amps or someone uses tangling mire or extreme poison or both.... You get the idea. We're talking about a much more significant increase in damage with the attack speed increase.

But experience says it all. Wait until you hit 100 and you see all the BMs around you NOT being worthless, telling you how they can duo a TT or a nirvana in under an hour while you struggle to finish it in two. Nobody can tell you what to do - we can just tell you what we've done and why, and if you want to make the same stupid decision after being informed, that's your funeral.

Zindane__ - Sanctuary wrote: »

heres the thing tho, i DONT plan on going full int gear. lol i'll be fine with a few -int gear like the nirvana pants, the tt99 bracers and the simple stuff like that if i get a scroll of tome i'll sooner get the 45 vit or str tome over love up and down. see everyone focuses on the 5.0 aspect of it. you can attack as fast as you want, but it doesnt matter if your dead before the damage can add up. as i've said, i've experimented with pservers for the other tree's and i've had more success with blade then any others with end game equivelent gear

if you restat with tome love up and down you can get almost the saeme str or vit but with +1% critical and -.05

oh and way to list off the 2 most pricy items of int as what you'll get

blade bm's are smarts

TempleSlave - Lost City wrote: »

Harpy swords have =int.

And they are ****, go away non-factor.

Pure sword is pure fail.

Where is your HF? Where are your constant AOE's? Where is your DPS? Let's point out the more useful squads you'd be passed up on most:

1. RB. There is no way in **** any squad that doesn't have an intent on failing would take a pure sword BM into rebirth delta. You must use axes/poleblade here. Your only use for swords would be the bosses, and you still wanna HF.

2. Nirvana. A 3.33 fist (which is very easy to get) will be taken before you are. In all likelihood, they also have axes as well and can HF, versus the useless sword BM who's only real benefit would be, maxed, 2 APS and reducing dmg a tank takes. Big deal.

3. FF. Pulling groups of mobs in the low 80s are already going to be a pain. Having a crappy sword BM who can pull off one maybe two AOE's might be enough for the first few pulls but when you get past Runewolf, the needed AOE's for groups become more necessary to be constant so the BM can possibly share aggro with the barb, opposed to any squishy / magic AOE class insta-pulling groups of mobs and dying -- easy magic caster partywipe material. Being a sword BM here sure makes it easy on the BM to single target hit mobs but isn't beneficial to a squad in the slightest bit.

So to reiterate, the only reason one might take you over some other BM build would be if they want your MSS for some particularly hard hitting boss. Other than that? Fist and axe will be taken way before a sword. PVP is your only hope, but since you're on a PVE server, pure sword is pure ****. Though, you seem way too defensive about rightful criticism of your build so my advice is continue being pure sword and find out for yourself. Make sure to post the results.

Zindane__ - Sanctuary wrote: »

and as previously stated, i HAVE done full sucessful FCC runs befor eon my original who was an 85 blade pure bm, FCC runs are a piece of cake, only time aoe's are decent is the heads as far as i see.

Wow. Just wow. You know, I don't really call it a "successful run" when it takes you five hours because you kill all the mobs one by one, especially with an inferior DPS weapon.

Almost everything you've posted in this thread has been just completely wrong or awful on so many levels that it almost seems like you're trolling - it's hard to believe anyone could be this bad at the game, but then I remember that there are a few who are just as bad legitimately. You poor thing.

Zindane__ - Sanctuary wrote: »

fcc gold blade with quicken. then -int end game gear included. not to mention i've had a previous account that got banned back in november. lvl 85 blade bm also with FCC gold dual swords. myriad crits of 60k's. plus not to mention atmos strike for a high damage non spark skill. then also the strongest bm move flash at 100. not to mention for damage amp, extreme poison AND tangle mire? dmg amp covered there. maxed myriad reducing enemy dmg by 50% for a decent ammount of time over a what, 5 second 100% dmg amp? simple fact as i see it is blade bm (with a build done right) can cover any dmg the other weapon tree's do. axes the only thing i see good is the stun locks. as for FCC axes are only really decent when the heads come up. and yes my 85 original did FCC frequently and yes i could tank the bosses. lvl 72 and over 10k phys def already with bell and cleric buffs. elemental def from acessories. and for now citrines in my armor. also, i know i'm gonna get flamed for my reasons and for what i've done first hand. heres the fact i have seen. axes are good for stun locks, fist.... nirvana is the only thing i can see, poles....... i guess ranged? blades have the highest constitant dmg for the lvl. and yes highest consitant. fist is always withing a small range but unless their refined high they dont surpass a blade in dmg. axes spike then hit rediculously low. i've tried all them on a pserver before with end game gear. so, -waits for more flames from the veno in LC-

get 24 coins fist from black smith use cyclone heel and that will be the same speed as quicken instead of relying on chance for it to activate.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

edit: all in all don't lvl relentless courage it's **** tbh. i'm assuming that's where ur 11k 2.0 aps is getting. as for the no swords with -int. roll some OHT blades you can roll a -.05 int on them last time i looked. axes were the only ones with -.1 int rollable OHT.

Double Spark with GV cylone canceled is 2.0 with physical attack proc + heavens flame is probably more 11k. And ya relentless courage is **** after they nefred genie skills a long time ago.

Its been my experience here that mentioning in pure build of any kind is like claiming to be the anti christ on these forums. Everyone is ready to crucify you at the first mention of something other than the set in stone exact method that they all play.


Like someone else said here... Post the results later on for us good or bad or any critiqueing that you may do.


There may not be an abosolute answer or guide on how or what to do with pure blade build because nobody has tried it.... And if nobody has truely tried it and done it successfully then nobody has a right to tell you not to do it.

From my experience... The first time I played this game almost every bm was a pure axe build.

I come to pwi and see other builds and mix and match builds (something that was a shock to me that took me awhile to wrap my head around).... Its just different playstyles across different servers and regions

ArchSaber - Sanctuary wrote: »

this^

Riosol on Sanctuary is a pure Sword level 99 BM, I am level 84 Hyrbid BM. It Took Riosol 9 times to beat a level 100 venomancer who uses Bramble Hood. It took me 2. Proof enough for you?

He almost won 2nd in a PvP fight, Lunar +6 sword and TT90 +3 flawless p. def shards vs. Neon Purgatory +10.

Not to mention he killed one BM with full TT99 armor +5 and TT100 fist +7 in PvP.

I still laugh at him, he QQs so much when he dies.

JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is why you don't play to be like everyone else, in fact, everyone else shouldn't even be in the equation. You simply consider the rationality of your class and your goals, and if they logically fit into place, particularly in a squad which most endgame things are centered around. It's completely asinine to play something merely because it's different, and it's more helpful to be up front and honest and inform someone their build is useless for a squad in many situations, than give them a PC Police thumbsup just for being different with a fail notion that all weapons and builds are created equal, when they aren't.

The very first part of that was what I was getting at. Don't play to be like everyone else.

I have 2 pure blade bm's in my guild... Even I slipped up trying to tell them that blades were bad... Hey if thats what they want then fine I'll help them lvl.... and now they are at my lvl... One of them hits like a mac truck and can take some serious dmg. while the other is a lil squishy.

Now the strong one is mixing his stuff up to pick up axes and fists are gonna be a gimme.


While on the other side I did pure axes and am just now mixing my stuff to pick up swords. If I did my math right I should come out with 150 dex by endgame and the highest tt sword was 145 dex (if I remember that correctly)