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Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »So you openly admit to deceiving the entire community, and you claim it was for the good of your moderator.
Bull****.
As I said before, I felt that Konari started under particularly tough circumstances, and I felt that he deserved another shot at being able to help out around here. He was a rookie, and he made some mistakes--fine. But he's smart, he knows the game and community, and he wanted to give it another try.
It sounds like you're insinuating that I had some kind of ulterior motive in bringing him back.Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
If Konari couldn't handle himself the first time, what the hell made you think he'd handle it this time? In fact, what made you think you would make the situation any better by lying to your players about who you're making moderator?
Again, Konari was a rookie who made rookie mistakes. I wanted to give him another chance, and under better circumstances than last time.Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »
You are manipulative, you are deceptive, and you are unfair in that anybody who gets in your way is going to eventually disappear because you can't tolerate people speaking out against you.
Various players speak out against me every day; the vast majority of them are never banned. When they cross the line into forum violations, though, it becomes my duty to restrict their access to the forums, either temporarily or permanently.0 -
Full props for coming clean and just telling the truth, Frankie. Truth builds trust, especially when the truth isn't sanitized and can be uncomfortable to admit. Of course, the problem is that there was deception too, so the net result is kind of a push, credibility-wise.
I don't really get why there's such a lack (fear?) of honesty between PWI and the player-base. The modern public-relations mantra of the Internet generation is to just be honest at all times, tell people exactly who you are, what you stand for, what you're planning, etc... and let those who will support you have the freedom to do so willingly.
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Frankie... just be glad you're not in the MSN party right now
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Airyll, NightRage, Waffles, Reds, Michael, and me
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BeingHope - Raging Tide wrote: »Frankie... just be glad you're not in the MSN party right now
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Airyll, NightRage, Waffles, Reds, Michael, and me
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can I join?
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Frankie... next time just don't lie, someone will always eventually find out and youll get shot in the foot for it, simple as that.0
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frankieraye wrote: »As I said before, I felt that Konari started under particularly tough circumstances, and I felt that he deserved another shot at being able to help out around here. He was a rookie, and he made some mistakes--fine. But he's smart, he knows the game and community, and he wanted to give it another try.
It sounds like you're insinuating that I had some kind of ulterior motive in bringing him back.
Sounds to me like you haven't been honest with your player base. Oh WAIT.
You know I'm all for giving somebody another chance, but lying to hundreds of people and lying to a community that you keep asking to trust you is not the way to go about it. What better way to say "This is the **** we give about you" then to tell people they need to give you a chance and that they need to trust you when you - and read this very carefully:
lie to them about who you are giving power to.
Had it been something small? Insignificant? I wouldn't have cared so much. But you do not - you do not ever - lie about the people you are giving power to. You could have the best intentions in the world, and it would be downright wrong.
Tell me Frankie: why would I NOT think you have ulterior motives behind LYING TO YOUR PLAYER BASE AS IF THEY WOULDN'T GET IT, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE HERE WHO WERE TRYING TO PUT THEIR FAITH IN YOU AGAIN? Tell me why. One ****ing good reason, please, for me and the rest of this forum who doesn't agree with what you just pulled.Again, Konari was a rookie who made rookie mistakes. I wanted to give him another chance, and under better circumstances than last time.
Rookies learn best from their mistakes if they aren't hidden behind a half-assed shield made of cotton wool, all because they couldn't stomach it the first time. If you can't stand the heat as a rookie the first time, you probably won't manage it as a rookie the second time.
Did you ever think maybe his reception would have been a bit better if you didn't try to smuggle him in like some ****ing illegal substance?Various players speak out against me every day; the vast majority of them are never banned. When they cross the line into forum violations, though, it becomes my duty to restrict their access to the forums, either temporarily or permanently.
So if we insult you, we warrant bans.
But if you were to insult us (like Kanto did in the TW Rules thread and every single one of you usless excuses for a GM has not taken responsibility for it since despite clear outrage) it's alright to let it slide?
You sir, a hypocrite, and a very, very big one. You tell us that we cannot slander you but you will openly slander us, or allow fellow GMs to do so, and not one of you - not one of you - has the balls to turn around and apologise for what you did.
That is beyond shallow.
You are deceptive and deceitful and you are shallow and I hope people are starting to see you for the "caring" Community Manager you are supposed to be.
Also. A fellow friend of mine sends their regards:
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Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »Sounds to me like you haven't been honest with your player base. Oh WAIT.
You know I'm all for giving somebody another chance, but lying to hundreds of people and lying to a community that you keep asking to trust you is not the way to go about it. What better way to say "This is the **** we give about you" then to tell people they need to give you a chance and that they need to trust you when you - and read this very carefully:
lie to them about who you are giving power to.
Had it been something small? Insignificant? I wouldn't have cared so much. But you do not - you do not ever - lie about the people you are giving power to. You could have the best intentions in the world, and it would be downright wrong.
Tell me Frankie: why would I NOT think you have ulterior motives behind LYING TO YOUR PLAYER BASE AS IF THEY WOULDN'T GET IT, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE HERE WHO WERE TRYING TO PUT THEIR FAITH IN YOU AGAIN? Tell me why. One ****ing good reason, please, for me and the rest of this forum who doesn't agree with what you just pulled.
Rookies learn best from their mistakes if they aren't hidden behind a half-assed shield made of cotton wool, all because they couldn't stomach it the first time. If you can't stand the heat as a rookie the first time, you probably won't manage it as a rookie the second time.
Did you ever think maybe his reception would have been a bit better if you didn't try to smuggle him in like some ****ing illegal substance?
So if we insult you, we warrant bans.
But if you were to insult us (like Kanto did in the TW Rules thread and every single one of you usless excuses for a GM has not taken responsibility for it since despite clear outrage) it's alright to let it slide?
You sir, a hypocrite, and a very, very big one. You tell us that we cannot slander you but you will openly slander us, or allow fellow GMs to do so, and not one of you - not one of you - has the balls to turn around and apologise for what you did.
That is beyond shallow.
You are deceptive and deceitful and you are shallow and I hope people are starting to see you for the "caring" Community Manager you are supposed to be.
Also. A fellow friend of mine sends their regards:
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AiryllAiryll - Dreamweaver wrote: »Sounds to me like you haven't been honest with your player base. Oh WAIT.
You know I'm all for giving somebody another chance, but lying to hundreds of people and lying to a community that you keep asking to trust you is not the way to go about it. What better way to say "This is the **** we give about you" then to tell people they need to give you a chance and that they need to trust you when you - and read this very carefully:
lie to them about who you are giving power to.
Had it been something small? Insignificant? I wouldn't have cared so much. But you do not - you do not ever - lie about the people you are giving power to. You could have the best intentions in the world, and it would be downright wrong.
Tell me Frankie: why would I NOT think you have ulterior motives behind LYING TO YOUR PLAYER BASE AS IF THEY WOULDN'T GET IT, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE HERE WHO WERE TRYING TO PUT THEIR FAITH IN YOU AGAIN? Tell me why. One ****ing good reason, please, for me and the rest of this forum who doesn't agree with what you just pulled.
Rookies learn best from their mistakes if they aren't hidden behind a half-assed shield made of cotton wool, all because they couldn't stomach it the first time. If you can't stand the heat as a rookie the first time, you probably won't manage it as a rookie the second time.
Did you ever think maybe his reception would have been a bit better if you didn't try to smuggle him in like some ****ing illegal substance?
So if we insult you, we warrant bans.
But if you were to insult us (like Kanto did in the TW Rules thread and every single one of you usless excuses for a GM has not taken responsibility for it since despite clear outrage) it's alright to let it slide?
You sir, a hypocrite, and a very, very big one. You tell us that we cannot slander you but you will openly slander us, or allow fellow GMs to do so, and not one of you - not one of you - has the balls to turn around and apologise for what you did.
That is beyond shallow.
You are deceptive and deceitful and you are shallow and I hope people are starting to see you for the "caring" Community Manager you are supposed to be.
Also. A fellow friend of mine sends their regards:
*removed*
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Deora - Lost City wrote: »Frankie... next time just don't lie, someone will always eventually find out and youll get shot in the foot for it, simple as that.
100% on the dot here...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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frankieraye wrote: »Yep ArcanumPrae was Konari, it's true.
Basically, when I brought Konari on-board a few months ago, it was just him and AryannaMage as mods during a very rough time in PWI's history. Players knew and respected Ary, but Konari was the new guy, and as such, became the target for much flaming, both in-game, and in the forums.
Konari is a nice guy, and you know, when these flames hit, they eventually got to him a bit, so we decided to have him leave for a while as I got a new mod group together.
I was hoping that, by starting anew with a new crew, Konari would be able to have more support this time around, and hopefully much of the flaming would be absorbed by the whole group, instead of just one person.
Unfortunately, as you've seen, it didn't work out, as Konari's speech is a little too distinct for his own good (lol). It's kinda sad because he really did want to help out, and perhaps was a little overzealous in this desire.
Anyway, in conclusion, Konari's going to step down again, and I'll be on the lookout for a new mod to join up.
This is a pretty interesting thread, though. I'll leave it open for now so I can get some final feedback from you all before it gets depth'd.
Thanks all.
Bumped into this thread an hour ago, thought I should send my regards to the new mods.
Keeping in mind to do so after reading through all the replies.
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As far as I respected our CM for bracing himself admitting the truth in his post,
it's a lie if I said I'm not disappointed and I'm sure I don't need to explain it.
But again, who am I to judge?
Who am I to rage and protest?
It'll be a vain effort.
I'm a nobody but a powerless player.
One thing that I know,
Players who ranted in this thread have their reasons.
It's because they still care about this game and its forum even if they deny it.
And being a fool as I am,
I'm still here to donate one post to this soon-to-be-depth'd thread
that was supposed to be a welcoming thread (irony sometimes is epic) b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Deora - Lost City wrote: »Frankie... next time just don't lie, someone will always eventually find out and youll get shot in the foot for it, simple as that.
Agreed, but we all lie at one time on another, some things can NOT easily be found out, and without the right intel, the world may have never known for certain that you/we/us were lied to.
Though yes, you are right generally lying just causes more trouble in the end then just telling the truth in the first place, or even just not telling people what is going on... withholding information if you will.
It is quite distasteful, and hard to fathom that someone would get a second chance so soon, I can almost see it if they were given a 'cool' down period, but right after, and under a different name? Come on off of it. That is just asking for complaints from the users. =x Especially if you leak the information that it is the same person who just recently decided to 'take' a break. It is not easy dealing with the stress people put on your shoulders, and while the situation here is obviously not good, that stress going in already had to be high, and then to be constantly nit picked to death, only added to the overwhelming factor of it just being too difficult to handle, so I have to agree with aryil, if you couldn't handle it before just a week ago, I seriously doubt you will change overnight, and regain your composure/calmness to effectively help moderate a already angered community.Ah, Mistakes are so easily made. ~ laura resnick
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Once you party with us
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California gurls, we're unforgettable
Daisy dukes, bikinis on top
Sun-kissed skin, so hot, will melt your popsicle
(Oh-oh, oh-oh, oh)
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California gurls, we're undeniable
Fine, fresh, fierce, we got it on lock
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California gurls, we're unforgettable
Daisy dukes, bikinis on top
Sun-kissed skin, so hot, will melt your popsicle
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California gurls, we're undeniable
Fine, fresh, fierce, we got it on lock
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guessing this was the party.....and the msn chat the after party 0
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<--- Half awake but...
Does this mean the PWI community was able to scare off a mod....with 1 thread....on the first day?"One of the most important factors, not only in military matters but in life as a whole, is ... the ability to direct one's whole energies towards the fulfillment of a particular task." - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
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Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »<--- Half awake but...
Does this mean the PWI community was able to scare off a mod....with 1 thread....on the first day?
Think so....God help those 2 poor souls that are left......0 -
Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »<--- Half awake but...
Does this mean the PWI community was able to scare off a mod....with 1 thread....on the first day?
Ehuahuehuahue.0 -
Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »<--- Half awake but...
Does this mean the PWI community was able to scare off a mod....with 1 thread....on the first day?
Its called MSN party against forums
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1st day and i already don't like them[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Originally posted by LShattered - HeavensTear
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BeingHope - Raging Tide wrote: »Its called MSN party against forums
b:cute
This is why I hate sleeping....you miss so much fun b:laugh"One of the most important factors, not only in military matters but in life as a whole, is ... the ability to direct one's whole energies towards the fulfillment of a particular task." - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
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Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is why I hate sleeping....you miss so much fun b:laugh
MSN party has 9 people
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Lacrimarine - Raging Tide wrote: »It's because they still care about this game and its forum even if they deny it.
This is true.
I haven't actively moderated these boards in quite some time, but many of the posters in this thread are familiar faces. The fact that so many old-school names are in this thread is comforting in the fact that PWI has such a solid player base of really passionate, vested individuals.
I'm basically de-activating my cloaking device to come in here and post that I'm glad to see new moderators on these boards, as they are arguably the most vocal and active forums that have ever been hosted by PWE. It isn't an easy job, but at the same time, it's an essential one.
I'm sure the two remaining new moderators will do a good job, and everyone else here knows just as well as I do that if they don't, words will be had.
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BeingHope - Raging Tide wrote: »MSN party has 9 people
b:cute
Kewl, sooo sup all xD"One of the most important factors, not only in military matters but in life as a whole, is ... the ability to direct one's whole energies towards the fulfillment of a particular task." - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
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This is true.
I haven't actively moderated these boards in quite some time, but many of the posters in this thread are familiar faces. The fact that so many old-school names are in this thread is comforting in the fact that PWI has such a solid player base of really passionate, vested individuals.
I'm basically de-activating my cloaking device to come in here and post that I'm glad to see new moderators on these boards, as they are arguably the most vocal and active forums that have ever been hosted by PWE. It isn't an easy job, but at the same time, it's an essential one.
All the more reason to have solid Mod's who know these forums...oh and long time no see Hawk...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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MsEvilness - Heavens Tear wrote: »1st day and i already don't like them
That's okay, we're here to do what should have been done long time ago. I'm sure more than enough of you don't trust our judgments and will disapprove of our actions before, during and after we have taken them. And I'm more than okay with that. b:thanks
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haha 1st day and shelly has already deleted a thread about her on HT forum.
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Originally posted by LShattered - HeavensTear
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