Endgame gear impossible to farm without CS?
HarmOwnie - Dreamweaver
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Hi,
i've been playing PWI for a while now and i've got the impression that there are a lot of really cool instances in the game which could but actually not do provide players who are willing to farm / do runs with their friends to gather nice endgame gear. The more i play the more it seems to me like PWI only grants CS the access to high end equipment. Maybe i'm wrong because i'm still "low lvl" so feel free to correct me but honestly when i started PWI it was like well cool finally a game where even non CS players also can get a hand on endgame gear.
Following things i've discovered might change my mind:
Military Rank / Reputation Rewards:
Even if you do all your quests and also help your friends in the FBs you wont be able to get even close to Rank 8 equipment. I mean i know the Rank 8 Items are 2nd best stuff available
after warsoul but even for players willing to farm for the Rank it will be really hard/impossible to reach the rank without putting money in the Dog Tags which can be obtained for luck tokens. I mean the whole thing would be farmable if there were still Darkness Stamps in BHs above BH 59. Also the amount of reputation from the armor donation system should be thought over. I mean crafting items for donation is pointless since the materials cost so much that you will be able to buy dog tags from tokens cheaper than spending tons of them hoping to get 2 2star items with a 30% chance
Also the reputation from solo mission could be higher. I mean the problem here is that 40 mobs only give 2 reputation which means you have to kill 4kk mobs to reach rank 8. Moreover you have to kill em alone because there is no chance to squad up and farm for rank with your friends :-/
FC - Runs
is there any other reason why materials for FC weapons can no longer be obtained by doing the instance than to make people buy them with frostcovered sign from packs?
TT - Runs
there is a another topic related to this so i just name the main problem here
--> some classes are able to finish TT runs solo without any problems whereas others
hardly have a chance to do so + the Veno problem that this class is able to even solo SQUAD mode with the pet --> does PWI want us all to have veno just for farming ?
Messenger of Sages Weapons
in general the idea of collecting badges for various tasks done around in the world is pretty cool. so in the end a player who has taken place in a lot of different runs all around the map can exchange these badges for a strong weapon. The main problem here is that a) the final weapons stats are not that good compared to other rewards like the rank weapon or fc which were later on added b) some of the badges which need to be combined for the signs cant be obtained except from CS :-/
Crafting System
it is pretty lame that even if a player finally has farmed all the mats for an item it is not guaranteed that the crafted item will be better somehow than the item availabe for sale at the npc. --> to make crafting more rewarding please PWI make that a crafted item at least has all resistances on it so that worst possible item from crafting is the normal npc item
greetz oben0wne
i've been playing PWI for a while now and i've got the impression that there are a lot of really cool instances in the game which could but actually not do provide players who are willing to farm / do runs with their friends to gather nice endgame gear. The more i play the more it seems to me like PWI only grants CS the access to high end equipment. Maybe i'm wrong because i'm still "low lvl" so feel free to correct me but honestly when i started PWI it was like well cool finally a game where even non CS players also can get a hand on endgame gear.
Following things i've discovered might change my mind:
Military Rank / Reputation Rewards:
Even if you do all your quests and also help your friends in the FBs you wont be able to get even close to Rank 8 equipment. I mean i know the Rank 8 Items are 2nd best stuff available
after warsoul but even for players willing to farm for the Rank it will be really hard/impossible to reach the rank without putting money in the Dog Tags which can be obtained for luck tokens. I mean the whole thing would be farmable if there were still Darkness Stamps in BHs above BH 59. Also the amount of reputation from the armor donation system should be thought over. I mean crafting items for donation is pointless since the materials cost so much that you will be able to buy dog tags from tokens cheaper than spending tons of them hoping to get 2 2star items with a 30% chance
Also the reputation from solo mission could be higher. I mean the problem here is that 40 mobs only give 2 reputation which means you have to kill 4kk mobs to reach rank 8. Moreover you have to kill em alone because there is no chance to squad up and farm for rank with your friends :-/
FC - Runs
is there any other reason why materials for FC weapons can no longer be obtained by doing the instance than to make people buy them with frostcovered sign from packs?
TT - Runs
there is a another topic related to this so i just name the main problem here
--> some classes are able to finish TT runs solo without any problems whereas others
hardly have a chance to do so + the Veno problem that this class is able to even solo SQUAD mode with the pet --> does PWI want us all to have veno just for farming ?
Messenger of Sages Weapons
in general the idea of collecting badges for various tasks done around in the world is pretty cool. so in the end a player who has taken place in a lot of different runs all around the map can exchange these badges for a strong weapon. The main problem here is that a) the final weapons stats are not that good compared to other rewards like the rank weapon or fc which were later on added b) some of the badges which need to be combined for the signs cant be obtained except from CS :-/
Crafting System
it is pretty lame that even if a player finally has farmed all the mats for an item it is not guaranteed that the crafted item will be better somehow than the item availabe for sale at the npc. --> to make crafting more rewarding please PWI make that a crafted item at least has all resistances on it so that worst possible item from crafting is the normal npc item
greetz oben0wne
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tt90 set is enuf on PvE server
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It's possible to farm, but the definition of farming it has changed. 3-3 is still doable, it's not farmable, however. It's too expensive, time consuming and difficult to actually farm for gears. It's now just a BH run for those that don't trash it and a culti run as those bosses really haven't changed.
So basically you farm the lower instances, sell the mats, and when you've sold enough you chip the 99 gold mats you need.
Increasing the difficulty so tremendously has driven up the prices of the gold mats and their availability. It's made them pretty rare in the open market, which means nobody is making money farming it, and people who want it will end up using coins and chipping it. PWI wins on both accounts, no high level farmers making 2-20 million per gold drop in 3-3, and newer players who want the gold mats to consider spending money on packs or gold trader to get their coin and chips.
This really wasn't a fix that was needed... it wasn't broken in the first place. Now it is.
Sure, 3-3 can still be done, but considering the drop rate and the difficulty now, mob count and much more difficult bosses, it's just not worth doing the same amount of runs for the luck of getting a gold mat.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
normal human and farming 99 gold atm nope, not possible without a cashoppers help.
so would have to go another way than tt99.. so i voted middle option.. cos to get 99 gold mats buying tokens / make chips kinda requirred atm..I'm sorry for misspelling / mistyping and grammar b:surrender
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Me fully buffed:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b4c948321f799d5c
I play since June 2009. Not a single buck spent. its not pro, but its good enough.
You should avoid the word farming and start MERCHANTING, thats how I got my last leg mat and money for tienkangs and tishas. My guild provides me mirages for lower price. It usualy takes 50-150 mirages for each +6, most of the times after I got one, there's 2 or 3 following success. Im currently farming the money for enough gold/tishas for +7. I might be able to get a D.Orb Ocean on next sale. But Id rather get cube necky instead if I have a chance.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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My current build took nearly 2 years to make, with $0 spending.
So its possible; just takes a while.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
i just did a lunar run, was super easy. even if u dont want to farm ttgold mats for lunar gold gear u could make the grade 13 oht gold pretty fast and cheap. how good it is depends on luck though0
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Yes.
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This thread needs Kitamura. b:chuckle100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »This thread needs Kitamura. b:chuckle
It's all easy, you all lazy!!!!!
b:laugh[SIGPIC]100% F2P Assassin[/SIGPIC]
Overclocked 100% F2P Assassin (1st lvl105 @ 22Nov2010)0 -
While it's possible to "farm" most endgame gear, it's often not the most efficient method. I personally prefer to "farm" coins as they can magically be transformed into just about anything provided you find enough of them.
Farm what is efficient for you and buy what is not. I'd much rather go through 4 or 5 easy runs, sell, and buy the mats I need than try to farm and pray that I get drops on annoying mats. Though I guess there's always those that like to do things the hard way and spend twice as long just to gather mats the "right" way. To each thier own, though it's usually these folks that complain about needing to CS to compete.0 -
It is possible.
+12 Nirvana Axe, Nirvana Pants +7 with all jade of defense, all pack eqs with the exception of boots, and about 3-3.5 billion coin worth in dragon orbs, packs and boutique gold without spending any money here. No real need to farm for coins so I can just enjoy the game and do things I like doing.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Making "non-trash-talkers" show their true color. RAGE ON! b:laugh0 -
Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »While it's possible to "farm" most endgame gear, it's often not the most efficient method. I personally prefer to "farm" coins as they can magically be transformed into just about anything provided you find enough of them.
Farm what is efficient for you and buy what is not. I'd much rather go through 4 or 5 easy runs, sell, and buy the mats I need than try to farm and pray that I get drops on annoying mats. Though I guess there's always those that like to do things the hard way and spend twice as long just to gather mats the "right" way. To each thier own, though it's usually these folks that complain about needing to CS to compete.
can you please post the red text in this topic:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=835522
if I say that ppl wont believe[SIGPIC]100% F2P Assassin[/SIGPIC]
Overclocked 100% F2P Assassin (1st lvl105 @ 22Nov2010)0 -
There are many known cases of people playing without spending anything that have managed top tier endgame gear. However for the vast majority this remains out of reach. MMOs are meant to be time intensive yet the current emphasis on cash shopping has broken the game to a large extent. This is an issue of proportion.
Someone playing around 2 hrs a day is too much of a casual (which is ridiculous) to hope for truly endgame gear without either a) becoming a succesful merchant or b) making a sizable financial investment.
a) The cat shop system favors those able or willing to devote their comp 8-12 hours a day (at least) to merchanting. Furthermore, only a relatively small proportion of merchants will accomplish sufficient profit from their activity to pay for endgame gear. Not everyone can become succesful merchanting, there simply are not enough resources in game (either farmed or cash shopped) to allow for this, and competition is heavy.
b) Charging $15 US a month (the more common p2p rate) is simply not enough to allow you to buy your way through the game. The best you can hope for is that such an amount will complement profitable, if not succesful, merchanting. At least twice that ($360 US a year) would be required for you to keep up with the joneses. And then only if you have managed to make it into the elite of top factions and/or playing groups.
Now, do bear in mind that when i speak of 2 hours a day i don't simply mean effective gameplay (running instances, farming, grinding) but time you must devote to learning many of the game's systems, reading guides, looking through databases and even fun activities from which you're unlike to obtain profit (pvping, chatting). Unless you're as efficient as a robot and multitask on all such activities in such a way that you're turning a significant hourly profit every single time you log in, 1-2 hours a day is nowhere near enough time. People who like to brag about how one year or two may be sufficient to accomplish most endgame goals usually neglect to tell you how much time they have spent logged on. 1-2 hours a day, 3-4 on weekends, is not considered active by many guilds. Logging on 3-4 hours a day or more (and i do mean this with all due respect) does effectively make you a no lifer.
So i will rephrase this; Endgame gear is impossible to farm without CS unless you're an extremely time efficient and succesful merchant, or you devote an unhealthy amount of your time to the game. The best you can hope for while still managing to lead a balanced healthy life or without extravagant spending will be medium refines on a lunar weapon...0 -
Two words, T T.
High refine is easy to get without orbs. You can get to +7 without orbs, just mirages and tienkangs. and a lot of people actually like to just immaculate critine their armor at endgame.AP classes are a real butt pounding...0 -
RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »It is possible.
+12 Nirvana Axe, Nirvana Pants +7 with all jade of defense, all pack eqs with the exception of boots, and about 3-3.5 billion coin worth in dragon orbs, packs and boutique gold without spending any money here. No real need to farm for coins so I can just enjoy the game and do things I like doing.
So.... what is it that you do...? Since most of my time, when not in a kitty, revolves around farming for $
ROFLcan you please post the red text in this topic:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=835522
if I say that ppl wont believe.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
If you can only devote 2 hours a day why should you have the same gear as one who can devote 4?
Top end gear is not for the "casual" player, that's what average gear is for. Top end gear requires a significant investment of resources, be it effort, time, or cash. If you can't make the investments,that's on you, don't bemoan others who can.
I have decent gear that I am proud of wearing, it's not end game yet, but i'm working hard towards that goal. There are plenty of folks out there with gear that makes me drool, I see them as incentive, a high mark to strive for myself. If end game gear was easy to get it wouldn't be worth getting.0 -
Valirah - Sanctuary wrote: »If you can only devote 2 hours a day why should you have the same gear as one who can devote 4?
Top end gear is not for the "casual" player, that's what average gear is for. Top end gear requires a significant investment of resources, be it effort, time, or cash. If you can't make the investments,that's on you, don't bemoan others who can.
I have decent gear that I am proud of wearing, it's not end game yet, but i'm working hard towards that goal. There are plenty of folks out there with gear that makes me drool, I see them as incentive, a high mark to strive for myself. If end game gear was easy to get it wouldn't be worth getting.
I agree top end gear is not meant for the casual player but who's bemoaning anything? I merely stated fact as i see it, and playing 1-2 hours a day is not just being a casual from where i stand. A casual would not log in daily... Someone who dedicates 4 hours a day to gaming is in trouble however, you're wasting your life whatever your rationalization may be. This is a game, and as complex and involved as it may be, nothing more.0 -
Eh you're not gonna get full rank 9 without cash shopping.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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My only real point was that it is now unrealistic to directly farm 99 gold mats. That really hasn't helped anyone except for PWI and their cash flow.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0
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you are a barb but some players, for example wizards dont really get invited in TT/nirvanaRoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »It is possible.
+12 Nirvana Axe, Nirvana Pants +7 with all jade of defense, all pack eqs with the exception of boots, and about 3-3.5 billion coin worth in dragon orbs, packs and boutique gold without spending any money here. No real need to farm for coins so I can just enjoy the game and do things I like doing.0 -
you are a barb but some players, for example wizards dont really get invited in TT/nirvana
I may be a barb but I don't really farm for coins. I've been in Nirvana maybe a total of 10 times altogether. Don't even remember the last time I did TT for BH or farming. I have a catshop that gives me all I need.
@Vilk: I have a spare crappy laptop that I use for catshopping so I don't have to catshop on my main characters. What I do most of the time in PWI is idle and then checking AH once in a while to gather stuff I need for my character's equipments and convert my coins into boutique gold.
You're SOL if you want to farm for coins being a wizard at end game. The most profitable instance is probably Nirvana and most prefer fist/claw users.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Making "non-trash-talkers" show their true color. RAGE ON! b:laugh0 -
RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »I have a catshop that gives me all I need.
You rely on merchanting, not your gameplay.0 -
This, I usually avoid bringing mages to nirvana.RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »I may be a barb but I don't really farm for coins. I've been in Nirvana maybe a total of 10 times altogether. Don't even remember the last time I did TT for BH or farming. I have a catshop that gives me all I need.
@Vilk: I have a spare crappy laptop that I use for catshopping so I don't have to catshop on my main characters. What I do most of the time in PWI is idle and then checking AH once in a while to gather stuff I need for my character's equipments and convert my coins into boutique gold.
You're SOL if you want to farm for coins being a wizard at end game. The most profitable instance is probably Nirvana and most prefer fist/claw users.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Now that being 100+ is nothing new, there are plenty of high levels without very good gears. At least on Sanct, there are some Nirvana squads that can't get high-aps claw users and end up going with people who have **** gears. Those people also run with wizards and psychics. If you can spend some time looking for such squad you will be able to make money.
Sadly now 3-3 is too hard for average squad so that's out of the question.
Michael don't post anything about Sanct being greedy. It's getting old already. b:chuckle100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »You rely on merchanting, not your gameplay.
& who said you can't use your head to earn coins ingame <.< instead of clicking F1 F2 over & over in a dungeon.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
F1 and F3 for me <_<
Also, being a Mage, Im glad I have good friends who will run Nirvana with me. They're not all money hungry who just want top DDers. They actually care.
Also, I've recently been checking out different ways to get coin. Running different TTs, selling different items in different locations. Farming different mats or herbs, or just doing something different with the mats and herbs in general.
I managed to make alittle profit, but since Im awful at keeping track of it all, I don't know how much I've spent/gained.
I have a friend who has just pickeed up two lunar gold rings for his alt char. His main is a BM, who he just farmed nirvana pants for. He's now 5.0. Proof that you don't ahve to spend money on the game to get what you need.Koiz - omfg my life is now complete
Shevanel - haha oh?
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Koiz - i took this massive dump
Koiz - while listening to im on a boat hahahah
Shevanel - hahahahaha
Shevanel - haha
Shevanel - Oh wow
Certain levels of Boredom..
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VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »& who said you can't use your head to earn coins ingame <.< instead of clicking F1 F2 over & over in a dungeon.
I never said anything of the sort, merchanting is certainly a legitimate way to build up your resources. However it is not an option available to many players, the point of the thread being wether you're able to play without CSing. As i have pointed out, unless you merchant (and do so succesfully) or invest what i consider an unhealthy amount of time grinding/farming you will not be able to acquire top endgame gear in any reasonable amount of time.0 -
Thing is you need endgame gear and refines to be able to farm endgame gear.
If you already have TT99/Nirvana and few pieces of event stuff highly refined you can also farm 3-3 and 3-2 without getting killed to many times. People who claim recent changes in 3-X are balanced and easy already have amazing gear +8+10 refines from cash shopping or farming and merchandising.
Its not really that easy to farm coins in Nirvana either if you dont have endgame gear. You will not get invited to that many runs. You will get bypassed as soon as a better person turns up. If you have good friends that runs a lot it obviously gets easier. But to make enough money to actually be able to get some nice gear you need to do a lot of run. You wont get a lot of runs if you're a bad DD without endgame gear, even if you have a huge friend-list and jump on every random invite you see.
If you cant have a computer running 24/7 merchanting shiet either than you kinda have to cash shop eventually. Or you can stay in 90 gear for life lol0 -
That ends it there.Shevanel - Sanctuary wrote: »I have a friend who has just pickeed up two lunar gold rings for his alt char. His main is a BM0 -
MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »I never said anything of the sort, merchanting is certainly a legitimate way to build up your resources. However it is not an option available to many players, the point of the thread being wether you're able to play without CSing. As i have pointed out, unless you merchant (and do so succesfully) or invest what i consider an unhealthy amount of time grinding/farming you will not be able to acquire top endgame gear in any reasonable amount of time.
But isn't that point of it being end game? & hard to attain without endless farming/cs/merchanting?
I don't understand when ppl complain the game is CS only, it's so hard to get $ & get good gears <.< then I see them hyping in Frost all the time & never farming stuff. Or loggin on once in a while, joining a BH squad & QQing about how it's hard to get moneyz.
Started at 1st farming nirvana with pretty average gearIf you already have TT99/Nirvana and few pieces of event stuff highly refined you can also farm 3-3 and 3-2 without Sure I often had to join random squads since I didn't know many ppl who farmed + not belonging to a fact doesn't help. Then started getting together more & more with the same ppl, also average gear but decent skills. With some I still run & our stuff is a lot better; not the best of course <.< but not bad I'd say. But we farmed A LOT <.< wasn't expecting to get that in a day or even a month in some cases. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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