TT drops

Plain and simple, why we tanks (yes, we, i'm a BM tank) and our lovely clerics take the first picks?

a) Try and make any instance without a tank or without a healer, we are needed and always on the front line
b) We spend way more than DDs, tank on repairs cleric on mp, venos have very cheap magic skills and a pet that does most of the damage on [?] bosses, archers can use woven fang arrows (1 coin a piece) since 95% of their damage comes from the weapon they use and their char build, non-tank BMs just auto-attack with melee and maybe use HF every now and then, wizzys are probably the only class that uses more mana, but they can just cast low mana consuming skills

Moreover, a tank and a cleric share the same task: protect the rest of the squad, when someone screws up and pulls one too many mobs who gets them off the back of the DDs? the tank, and who prevents the DDs from dying or resurrects them? the cleric does, DDs have it easy since all they have to do is follow around and attack once tank gets aggro, their armor doesn't take more than a few hits from stray mobs, their weapon maybe loses a couple resistance points because they're supposed to attack and maybe they consume some pots, but with the CHEAP juanxio you can make out of tokens, it really even is a considerable expense? it takes about 700 coins per juanxio in average, and each one of those restores 5k mana, that's almost 10 mana points restored per coin spent! WAY better coin/mana ratio than NPC regular potions, but have you heard about "cheaper repairs" for tank? we're stuck with whatever the NPC charges us

We're at the front line, we keep the team safe and we keep the instance doable, as a direct result we spend more and it's only logic that we expect to be able to get 1st choice on mats, i've landed in a couple squads where "everything is sold and split equally among the team", so the archer who spent 3k and did barely anything will get as much as me who spent 60k in repairs and tanked? that doesn't sound right; oh and as a BM tank i count both as a tank AND as a powerful DD, since my aggro is based solely on raw damage, so i'm elegible for 2 picks then?

The drop system for TT is not based on "what is equal, carebear", it's based on how much you spent and how much you contributed to the squad, stuff like this is what makes cleric/BM duos start to just clear TT by their own, or BM/archer/veno soloing TT squad instances, want a particular item? farm what you can get and sell it to buy what you can't, and if someone is kind enough to give up on their expensive mat choice to give it to you BE THANKFUL, we're not obligated to give you a mat "just because you need it", it's something we choose to do because we're kind enough, that is why i stopped doing it, people just took the mat like it was my obligation to let them have it just because i don't need it to craft a piece of gear, running TT for coins is just as valid as running it for gear

Daikataro - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Plain and simple, why we tanks (yes, we, i'm a BM tank) and our lovely clerics take the first picks?

a) Try and make any instance without a tank or without a healer, we are needed and always on the front line
b) We spend way more than DDs, tank on repairs cleric on mp, venos have very cheap magic skills and a pet that does most of the damage on [?] bosses, archers can use woven fang arrows (1 coin a piece) since 95% of their damage comes from the weapon they use and their char build, non-tank BMs just auto-attack with melee and maybe use HF every now and then, wizzys are probably the only class that uses more mana, but they can just cast low mana consuming skills

Moreover, a tank and a cleric share the same task: protect the rest of the squad, when someone screws up and pulls one too many mobs who gets them off the back of the DDs? the tank, and who prevents the DDs from dying or resurrects them? the cleric does, DDs have it easy since all they have to do is follow around and attack once tank gets aggro, their armor doesn't take more than a few hits from stray mobs, their weapon maybe loses a couple resistance points because they're supposed to attack and maybe they consume some pots, but with the CHEAP juanxio you can make out of tokens, it really even is a considerable expense? it takes about 700 coins per juanxio in average, and each one of those restores 5k mana, that's almost 10 mana points restored per coin spent! WAY better coin/mana ratio than NPC regular potions, but have you heard about "cheaper repairs" for tank? we're stuck with whatever the NPC charges us

We're at the front line, we keep the team safe and we keep the instance doable, as a direct result we spend more and it's only logic that we expect to be able to get 1st choice on mats, i've landed in a couple squads where "everything is sold and split equally among the team", so the archer who spent 3k and did barely anything will get as much as me who spent 60k in repairs and tanked? that doesn't sound right; oh and as a BM tank i count both as a tank AND as a powerful DD, since my aggro is based solely on raw damage, so i'm elegible for 2 picks then?

The drop system for TT is not based on "what is equal, carebear", it's based on how much you spent and how much you contributed to the squad, stuff like this is what makes cleric/BM duos start to just clear TT by their own, or BM/archer/veno soloing TT squad instances, want a particular item? farm what you can get and sell it to buy what you can't, and if someone is kind enough to give up on their expensive mat choice to give it to you BE THANKFUL, we're not obligated to give you a mat "just because you need it", it's something we choose to do because we're kind enough, that is why i stopped doing it, people just took the mat like it was my obligation to let them have it just because i don't need it to craft a piece of gear, running TT for coins is just as valid as running it for gear

Agressive...defensive...rude... methinks he likes the drops going to him. Pretty good reason to find a system to work around this guy.

Ahhh... reminded me of the white named tank who got frozen while walking over to pick up the only gold mat of the run. And the witty archer who procceed to walk over and pick up the said gold mat. The archer soon found himself alacritying over several hands only to look back to see a dead barb. Its a happy ending when the archer and his 3 other ball less dd buddies sits around a camp fire around town of arrivals to split the spoils of day's pillage.

The moral of the story... **** over enough people and eventually you'll run into someone with balls.... and then pay back is gonna be a *****.

Daikataro - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b) We spend way more than DDs, tank on repairs cleric on mp

I don't know about clerics but lmfao at tanks who exaggerate about the repair costs, some even stack up on multiple runs so they can see a big number on repairs later and say "woah"

Repairs are incredibly low even less than the sub costs for a tank, don't tell me BS because I tanked my fair share of 3-1s and other TT bosses (including most bosses in 3-2 and 3-3 up to Emperor excluding Giant Beast which we do last and hits like a truck)

But oh well we had a barb in squad once who DEMANDED first pick after the 3-1 run when a high level DD tanked instead. That guy didn't want any mats and left at end, then tank started saying how he deserves first pick. Shows how spoiled are tanks and clerics tbh.

i dont like doing tt, i dont like spending 2-4 hours when i could be grinding or farming. if i tt i do it with friends, that agree to help. most of the time its herc venos, and i usualy sub, or supply the subs (when i had to do 2-2 for lion claws, i just gave the subs to the veno tanking, wasnt right lvl to sub) but i only get first pick, and the drops becuase they dont want them, dont need them, and they dont care. i stopped doing tt because of the idiots i come across. but if the barbs and cleric charge u to tank/heal, then want first pick i'd suggest u just grind/farm to get the mats out of ah, do it with ppl who will give u the mats u need after the run, or just reroll on a different server

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

All those greedy barbs/cleric who demand first picks... you better hope archers don't catch wind of your scheme during bh metal.

It's faster and easier now a days to have everyone gang up on the boss and stop w/ the whole "archer solo tanking metal boss while he's glitched on someone else." Ever since jone's blessings came out it's been a piece of cake to do it this way now.


On topic to OP/this thread.....the reason the majority of the ppl on the server USED to do the whole subber/barb/cleric/dds used to be cuz the cost was outrageous at first. Don't gimem the bs about 50-70k repair costs = 1st pick. Here's WHY we used to do the drop order the nubs still wanna follow:

When HT server ppl started doing 2-3 there were barbs burning through an entire gold charm and occasionally almost 2. Me as a cleric would burn a gold mp charm in 2 runs of 2-3 w/ skipping/rushing parts of it; when we didn't obviously my costs went up and end up w/ 50-80k in repairs and not to mention the numerous ga's/rez scrolls I'd have to use cuz of ppl doing stupid things. Meanwhile the "dds" back then would be nonstop auto-attacking afk on each and every damn boss w/ their +1-2 grade 9-10 wpns. At times when I didn't use mp charms I was buying 100 level 80 mp pots or more a day f/ TOA. Now THAT IS WHY IT USED TO BE THAT WAY (drop rules); BARBS/CLERICS HAD HUGE COSTS INVOLVED THAT NO ONE ELSE CAME CLOSE TO! But eventually ppl got better gear and learned how to do tt better and our costs involved plummetted. For example I recall when it required 2 clerics (1 bb) on wurlord just for the chance the barb to survive. Now a days I just spam IH on a tank and SOR/Wellspring if they get too low. Mp candy came out which plummeted every magic user's costs (except for the thick headed ones who stubbornly continued to use mana charms). Genies also made things easier for a variety of ways. Now a days we also have +30 blessings which make everything die faster; thus lowering cost/time involved for all.

So yah that was the history of why it used to be that way (drop order). Does ANY of that apply today? Only if you go w/ complete nubs. I can do an entire 3-3 as a solo cleric w/ no overpowered -int users healing and dding and end up using on average of 5-10 mp candies (mp regen gear/cloud eruption ftw) which on avg takes me 2.5->3hrs so tell me how the hell a cleric in 2-x/3-1 who spends at most an hr in there should be crying for 2nd pick cuz of "costs." On the other hand all you dd's who btch and moan....stop being lazy asses on each and every damn boss autoafkattacking and aggroing mobs you don't need w/ your +1-3 wpns. DD's like that...I tend to go off on and never take them again on tts (most tts I do nowadays are 100% = share money runs).

Pyrya - Archosaur wrote: »

Wtf is the point in running TT as a DD class?

Make a veno, buy a hurc >.>

Most TTs I do these days are random drops, not how I would perfer to do it but w/e I guess it's fair, though I'd rather sell mats and split coins.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

All those greedy barbs/cleric who demand first picks... you better hope archers don't catch wind of your scheme during bh metal.

I have still yet to see smb hax on that boss.



b:bye I pref staying away from tts lately. Last full 3-3 dropped 1 aura & rest OHT lol b:embarrass

Daikataro - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Plain and simple, why we tanks (yes, we, i'm a BM tank) and our lovely clerics take the first picks?

a) Try and make any instance without a tank or without a healer, we are needed and always on the front line

Honestly.. Make a squad w/o a DD, just tank and cleric. Now hf killing arma boss b:bye

The drop system for TT is not based on "what is equal, carebear", it's based on how much you spent and how much you contributed to the squad, stuff like this is what makes cleric/BM duos start to just clear TT by their own,

That's bs what you say here. Yes, bm + cleric is a nice combo when it comes to most things, but you ain't going duo because you contribute most in the squad or w/e other reason you say, but only to get more from the drops/split. Less ppl = more wealth to you and that says it all.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

I have no problem solo-tanking Illusion Lord... If I had about 2k hp more I wouldn't even need a cleric, however I always appreciate the help and I have no problem splitting the share if he drops. I just want him to drop. lol

not saying no1 can do it alone, but it's gonna be more time consuming and therefore "your" own costs are also gonna be higher. this guy seems to think that a dd's contribution to a tt squad is insignificant compared to a tank/healer. which i say is bs =P