Wizards vs Assasins...

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's why I stopped playing. I will not waste a time with broken game.

No game is ever perfect, there will always be someone or a class that can beat you, therefore you will always Q.Q and jump from game to game saying its broken because you fail. Just leave already and stop whining. b:bye

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

No game is ever perfect, there will always be someone or a class that can beat you, therefore you will always Q.Q and jump from game to game saying its broken because you fail. Just leave already and stop whining. b:bye

you should uninstall too and leave... better yet... Keep bragging, forums are getting so dull and irrelevant these days anyways. PVP is broken in general, you PVP addicts need to go play another game that is good at that perspective. PW is not a good PVP game. And I can roll Level 70 assassins as my level 50 wizzie, I will make a vid of it if I know what to do with the recordings. Its not the class > class you imbecile, your saying a class is overpowered to another when its actually the first hitter wins.

This what most Wizzys do to beat me. They stand in safe zone and wait til I fight someone else, walk out casually, target me and kill. Then go on to say it is ok b/c i am in stealth all the time. So there you go... You beat a sin. Just make sure you watch your back after thatb:laugh

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

can't hit what you can't see...gf, unless they truly are an in the open idiot

Oh, I'm soo scared of your little **** stealth. scarry.... b:laugh Keep in mind your **** little stealth is useless cause you can't stealth if your stun locked GG oh, and please don't say anything about "oh there is anti stun on genie and apoth so I won't be stun locked QQ" uninstall please, you already failed

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

scarry= we scarr you?....lol... your **** little stealth?....get some grammar kiddo, then come to the big boys and play. show me a vid of you easily rolling a "good" sin....good is the word

I make bad typoes, and I was just figuring I was speaking your language. Because you act like an imbecile thinking you are superior to another fellow player because your playing a class that is claimed to be overpowered. I figure if I type properly, you would not understand timing. Should I be talking with better grammar to an oaf like yourself? Your represent yourself as a mockery, even to the server. I know its the word scary, I just made a typo and being sarcastic. Everyone makes mistakes now and then. Even intelligent people. Kiddo is not even in the dictionary, but oaf is. I'm not no kiddo or a big boy, I am a grown man who earned his GED diploma. And you seem to still be in elementary school? Sure I will show you a vid. Screen shots will not prove how wrong people are about PVP.

this is a discussion on WIZARDS forum
Tactics FOR wizards VS assasins

please stop spamming your useless comments of how "great" you are >_>
leave it in your classes forum or go ingame and "own everyone"


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hmm expel
its just making you unable to be killed for a certain duration (9-11 sec) while you can do right nothing but exhaust your genie with it (or maybe pop in apos unless you are stunned the entire duration)
+you have to switch target on yourself to ensure its not just *poof* gone


what apo to pop under expel? anti stun or reduced damage? :P





edit

domain sutra town portal and come back start with a 3sparked MS *sneaky-ish*

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I make bad typoes, and I was just figuring I was speaking your language. Because you act like an imbecile thinking you are superior to another fellow player because your playing a class that is claimed to be overpowered. I figure if I type properly, you would not understand timing. Should I be talking with better grammar to an oaf like yourself? Your represent yourself as a mockery, even to the server. I know its the word scary, I just made a typo and being sarcastic. Everyone makes mistakes now and then. Even intelligent people. Kiddo is not even in the dictionary, but oaf is. I'm not no kiddo or a big boy, I am a grown man who earned his GED diploma. And you seem to still be in elementary school? Sure I will show you a vid. Screen shots will not prove how wrong people are about PVP.

1. imbecile, nice use of dictionary.com, and the way you used it is not even in the preferred context
2. "because your playing"?......your?....you're = you are, your = your.....duh?
3."I figure if i typed properly" the past tense you were using it as would have made it I figured, not figure.
4. Not understand timing?....the timing of your words....uhm lolwut?
5. "Should I be talking with better grammar to an oaf like yourself?" good grammar, not better grammar.
6. "I just made a typo and being sarcastic"?....and was?....lol
7. (if you can count that high ) "Everyone makes mistakes now and then. Even intelligent people" Everybody makes mistakes every now and again, even some of the more intelligent people I have seen do also. would suffice much better, also, your punctuation creates run-ons.
8. "I'm not no kiddo" -i'm from the mountains and boy, the rednecks here don't even have that bad of a grammatical lisp.
9. OR a big boy......so lolwut, are you a girl?.....b:cute awww that's cute, no wonder you were pmsing b:cute.
10. Man you earned your big boy GED, I myself, actually stayed in high school and earned my in school diploma, unlike yourself. I work at Macy's as an on call floor sales associate, and I also work the registers when needed. I'm attending college as well (when it starts up this semester) and I am eighteen years old. FYI eighteen = 18

You sir, should just give up. Your feeble attempt at making me look like an imbecile actually worked in my favor, as it made you look like and imbecile. You don't have any rational idea of who I am, and yet you make claims about me? That's very cute of you, but as we all know you are just an angry child who vents all of their frustration over the internet. With all of your incorrect contractions, and misplaced punctuation marks, as well as your atrocious grammar, I don't even need any more listed proof of why you sir, are an imbecile. Good day to you.

Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »

lets stop complaining and start figuring out a solution. I REFUSE to give up and call sins unbeatable. I dont care if you think you tried everything. Especially with genies and pots the possibilites are almost limitless.

Thank you, sins aren't unbeatable. I may be a low level, but that doesn't mean that I can't see that there is room to kill them.


Headhunt(stun of 5 sec unless demon(6)) = -2 sparks (cool down of 30 sec.)
Throatcut for silence = -1 spark (cool down of 8 sec.)
Shadow tele = tele of 35m and stun for 3 sec. (5 for demon) = -1 spark (cool down = 180 sec,(sage is 150 sec)
Tackling slash for immobilize for 9 sec (11 with sage) (movement debuff on target of -50% for 20 sec. if demon) = + 50 chi (15 sec cool down)
knife throw = 70% chance to interrupt a target's channeling (100% with demon) = -0 chi (15 se. cool down 10 with sage)
Deep sting = sleep for 5 seconds, any combat other than DoT's interrupt the sleep. = -50 chi (cool down of 15 sec. 13 with sage) Demon = sleep upon hit, sage = 95%

These skills are our only way to keep you in place or to keep you from killing us. Most have extreme cool down times or huge spark/chi cost.

Tackling slash = + 50 chi
Rising dragon strike = + 150 chi (180 if sage) 30 sec cool down (25 if demon) 100% accuracy.
Inner Harmony = + 200 chi (sage = 30% chance to gain an extra 100 chi) (demon = recover 10% health when used.) 60 sec. cool down
Master li's technique if sage = + 50 chi
Apoth = + 50-150 chi instantly.

And this huge thing over maze steps....immune to stun/immob. for 10 sec. (12 if sage) (demon = + 80% evasion for 10 sec.) = -1 spark, and the cool down is 90 sec.!....

I hope this helped someone.

the goal is a super genie...
thats it super high LP Vit and Mag..

what kind of genie u have adroit?
(i can care less, there is always blue mode :P)

fulgida wrote: »

Maize Steps only lasts 10 seconds, and has a 90 second cooldown, (but they can still sometimes evade your status effects with some of their other skills).
Also, unless a recent patch changed this: if you are channelling a skill when they vanish you will hit them when you are done channelling. (So if you believe they are about to vanish and you start channelling emberstorm you can bring them out right away by triggering it -- with bonus points if you have demon emberstorm and their maize steps expires. Of course this is a good way to fail, also, if done wrong, and emberstorm can be easier to do wrong than right.)

The skill will hit us still, but it will not force us out of stealth.



Shadow Jump has a 15 second cooldown and Shadow Teleport has a 2 minute cooldown, and both have a reaction delay.
Shadow tele has a 3 min cooldown, and the stun is only 3 sec long (5 if demon) 150 sec cooldown if sage still = over 2 min.


I am not certain if deaden nerves protects them from DoT death. (I have had assassins die from DoT, but I did not notice if they had deaden nerves up.) It probably does but maybe someone would be interested enough in this to test it.
This is a good question for i have never noticed if the dot goes away when they "die" and DN kicks in, therefore releasing them of the dot, or maybe the dot would hang until the time fully allotted or death if so. Most likely though, I believe that the DoT will stop when Deaden nerves kicks in, but i'm not 100% sure of this.

See above in red

EDIT: and again I post this part, in clear detail.

Headhunt(stun of 5 sec unless demon(6)) = -2 sparks (cool down of 30 sec.)
Throatcut for silence = -1 spark (cool down of 8 sec.)
Shadow tele = tele of 35m and stun for 3 sec. (5 for demon) = -1 spark (cool down = 180 sec,(sage is 150 sec)
Tackling slash for immobilize for 9 sec (11 with sage) (movement debuff on target of -50% for 20 sec. if demon) = + 50 chi (15 sec cool down)
knife throw = 70% chance to interrupt a target's channeling (100% with demon) = -0 chi (15 se. cool down 10 with sage)
Deep sting = sleep for 5 seconds, any combat other than DoT's interrupt the sleep. = -50 chi (cool down of 15 sec. 13 with sage) Demon = sleep upon hit, sage = 95%

These skills are our only way to keep you in place or to keep you from killing us. Most have extreme cool down times or huge spark/chi cost.

Tackling slash = + 50 chi
Rising dragon strike = + 150 chi (180 if sage) 30 sec cool down (25 if demon) 100% accuracy.
Inner Harmony = + 200 chi (sage = 30% chance to gain an extra 100 chi) (demon = recover 10% health when used.) 60 sec. cool down
Master li's technique if sage = + 50 chi
Apoth = + 50-150 chi instantly.

And this huge thing over maze steps....immune to stun/immob. for 10 sec. (12 if sage) (demon = + 80% evasion for 10 sec.) = -1 spark, and the cool down is 90 sec.!....

Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »

What happens when you use absolute domain->doubles park->hit->invincibility pot->hit->BID(while they try to restealth)?

also how many hits does it take to kill a lvl100 sin(afk/unstealth/non-deaden nerves) at your lvl?

Well, domain -> double spark would be a 6 sec immune, and you'd need to use your ironguard before the 6 second mark or you won't be able to move for the next 12 seconds. They would easily be able to stealth before you get BIDS off, or at least kite away a bit. Even if they just stood there, the BEST you could hope for is that it would trip their deaden nerves, and then they would still get away before you finish them off.

How many hits? I wish you'd be a little more specific. If the sin is totally unbuffed (no self buffs) I could one shot an average sin with BIDS. You need to remember though, if the sin has deaden nerves on, all of our ultis are basically useless. I do remember in the past ganking another sin while he was killin someone, undine and a 5 skill sutra and the last skill ticked his charm (this is when I was using my +10 cv wand). I'm assuming he dodged a few skills.. I honestly don't remember now.

edit:
oh and my genie is kinda temporary atm.. I want a new one, but it has 63/90 LP. Skills are domain, holy path, frenzy, EP, and fortify. I've got base str, like 30 dex (this is my original genie I made 4ever ago, don't wanna waste the restat cuz I want a new genie) 75 vit and 40 mag.

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

1. imbecile, nice use of dictionary.com, and the way you used it is not even in the preferred context
2. "because your playing"?......your?....you're = you are, your = your.....duh?
3."I figure if i typed properly" the past tense you were using it as would have made it I figured, not figure.
4. Not understand timing?....the timing of your words....uhm lolwut?
5. "Should I be talking with better grammar to an oaf like yourself?" good grammar, not better grammar.
6. "I just made a typo and being sarcastic"?....and was?....lol
7. (if you can count that high ) "Everyone makes mistakes now and then. Even intelligent people" Everybody makes mistakes every now and again, even some of the more intelligent people I have seen do also. would suffice much better, also, your punctuation creates run-ons.
8. "I'm not no kiddo" -i'm from the mountains and boy, the rednecks here don't even have that bad of a grammatical lisp.
9. OR a big boy......so lolwut, are you a girl?.....b:cute awww that's cute, no wonder you were pmsing b:cute.
10. Man you earned your big boy GED, I myself, actually stayed in high school and earned my in school diploma, unlike yourself. I work at Macy's as an on call floor sales associate, and I also work the registers when needed. I'm attending college as well (when it starts up this semester) and I am eighteen years old. FYI eighteen = 18

You sir, should just give up. Your feeble attempt at making me look like an imbecile actually worked in my favor, as it made you look like and imbecile. You don't have any rational idea of who I am, and yet you make claims about me? That's very cute of you, but as we all know you are just an angry child who vents all of their frustration over the internet. With all of your incorrect contractions, and misplaced punctuation marks, as well as your atrocious grammar, I don't even need any more listed proof of why you sir, are an imbecile. Good day to you.

Sorry oaf, I'd love to keep an argument but your not worth debating against, you act like a teenager that bullies little children and provokes his parents. watch what you say kid, you might get in trouble

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I don't remember who asked, but observation pots share the same cooldown as all the other pk pots.

@Rated_PG - loln00b, I don't think anybody is still reading your posts at this point. Continue wasting your time though.

whoever thought that we should kite until domain/pk pots are off cooldown is not useful at all. Using domain/pk pots to survive the first hit and running for 3 minutes until you can use it again will never kill a sin. You need to have some method of fighting back.

@Magicgabe - I've exhausted every option I could think of, I've come to the conclusion that there is just no reliable way to put up a fight vs a sin. The highest dps of any class in game, the most control skills, stealth, teleport, and a very effective form of survivability means there aint **** ur gonna do against them. Damage reduction is ineffective against a good sin. They can easily kill you at half damage (like as you drop), or with a dew of star, wind shield etc or even a combination.

And whoever was questioning my survivability, I feel it is pretty decent. 5763 hp unbuffed and 6600 pdef self buffed. I've fought sins full buffed and self buffed, it doesn't change anything at all. It might take one or two extra hits to kill me when I'm full buffed.. but that is a 1/5 or 2/5 of a second longer to live. Not exactly helpful.

sins don thave the highest dps O.o BMs do most of the time. it would take thousands of dollars or millions of coins in game or a few years of constant Fbs to get the same dps as a bm. Besides for a wizzy its easy if we dont one shot you. AD do that sleep skill. then the slip skill 2 shot us?

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

How do you not have the most dps? Show me a build with any class that could out dps Kitamura. Sleep gets resisted half the time with tidal protection, or if the sin has half a brain they just use maze steps to always resist sleep. And if we use domain, what's to stop the sin from domaining our 2spark aoe (and sleep has a 2min cooldown.. so after that 4 sec sleep is gone we are outta luck). Or even if they don't domain it, after deaden nerves is tripped their charm ticks and then kill us anyway. Remember, we gotta kill u guys twice, once doesn't cut it.

uhhh max dps is 5 aps soo i know a lotta ppl that maybe have the same dps? idk who kitamaru is but if he/she has 5 aps they spent a crapload of money to get it. and if thats your problem then all you have to do is spend a crapload of money yourself to get better gear >.< and i meant seal. i think wizes have a seal skill yea? maze steps dosent work against that. jus seal slip away hit them with your ulti to tick their deaden nerves then kill them with any skill. unless theyre using a charm

Twsted - Raging Tide wrote: »

uhhh max dps is 5 aps soo i know a lotta ppl that maybe have the same dps? idk who kitamaru is but if he/she has 5 aps they spent a crapload of money to get it. and if thats your problem then all you have to do is spend a crapload of money yourself to get better gear >.< and i meant seal. i think wizes have a seal skill yea? maze steps dosent work against that. jus seal slip away hit them with your ulti to tick their deaden nerves then kill them with any skill. unless theyre using a charm

Of course they do have a couple other skills that can stop seals, so any approach will have some randomnesses. And 5aps is hard to deal with: personally, I would be satisfied in running away from them and only coming back with a squad.

But, yes, you need really good gear to survive 5aps (cube necklace, warsong belt, full nirvana and two lunar rings sounds promising to me -- but 5aps costs way less), and if that 5aps is highly refined you will need similar refines on your gear, and especially on your pdef ornaments.

on the note of pking without charms a lot of people pk without charms one of the best pkers i know MagicPimp is never charmed. but liek i said difference in skill probably