Wizards vs Assasins...

fulgida · August 2010

Twsted - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol? in order for a sin to have 5aps they need the rank 8 gear(or that genie skill which dosent last very long anyway) which is 100k rep so unless they spent a few years doing guard quests or fbs theres no way they have it unless they spent $4k+ on packs or about 800mil coins ingame?

Actually, in order for an assassin to have 5aps, they need demon spark OR rank 4.

And, demon spark with rank 4 lets you leave out two rather expensive pieces of -interval gear.

Rated_PG - Harshlands · August 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Sorry oaf, I'd love to keep an argument but your not worth debating against, you act like a teenager that bullies little children and provokes his parents. watch what you say kid, you might get in trouble

Okay, I will resume where I left off, because you obviously don't see the point of this discussion we are having, just you and I.

1. "But your not" your = your, (i.e. That is your 500k coins, not mine.) you're = you are " ' "= contraction = to make the two words one. (i.e. Hey! You're that guy from heavens tear right?)

2. debating against? When were we debating? If this was a debate I clearly would have won, but besides that, this is not a debate, so please signify this as something more accurate, such as:
1. An argument.
2. A difference.
3. A skirmish.
4. A dispute.
5. An argument, etc. that you cannot win.

Yulk, I don't bully kids, I just know that you came out flailing big words that you don't know, and don't know how to use them, around without thinking about the consequences. You have no idea of whom I am, and no matter what you may say about me, anything and everything you say will basically be a way to vent your frustration at me, because you know that I have the upper hand in this, and that is why you are trying to"personally" attack me. I believe in getting to know people before making assumptions about them, but boy, you sure are not someone worth wasting my breath, or in this case fingers or keystrokes on.
I am giving you this chance to stop while you are ahead. The more you try to show off your "awesome rage skills" the more pitiful and full of errors it is. I know I don't always take an extra second to revise what I just typed, or think through all that I am about to type, and I know I make typos often. When you come on here and challenge my intelligence with your utter incompetence, then I will show you what someone of at least a high school diploma, and more can do without even thinking. All I am asking of you is to just stop now before I have to break out the big guns and big words to show you what for. If you and I stop here we can be cool, if not, well then, that's your mistake. We don't have to be "cool" per say, but you on't have to be a ****. Heed my warning yulk.

P.S. I don't have parents to "provoke". Just because I say things on the internet means I provoke my parents (in the case I had any)? You imply way too much stuff, and you are reading between imaginary lines. Like I said before, you know nothing about me.

Rated_PG - Harshlands · August 2010

Twsted - Raging Tide wrote: »

on the note of pking without charms a lot of people pk without charms one of the best pkers i know MagicPimp is never charmed. but liek i said difference in skill probably

Okay, now this is a double post....sorry rofl.

About the charms I was just saying that, just to clear up any maybes that may have occured if I had not included them in my discussion.

Roin - Harshlands · August 2010

Twisted idk about your pve server but almost every 10x sin/bm that pks has 5 aps with +10-12 wpns and like +7 on the rest of there gear there is no way to fight that as a wiz without spending 20x the cash they used on your armor and its alot harder to make ingame coins as a wiz then a sin so unless they suck and power lvled with no clue how to play there class like 95% of them have done they are very OP endgame people with gear im guessing you have ( low refined hh90) are not bad at all thow but when a sin crits 2500 right out of stealth stuns you for like 15 sec? ( i had one stop me from moveing more then like 3 steps for allmost 30 sec b4 i died) there is allmost nothing you can do to win without geting very lucky

And no im not QQing like the other wiz i dont realy mind its fun fighting the sin geared like me (+4-5 hh90) but the heavy csers are way 2 hard even if you cs just as much as them (and there are alot now miss when only 1 guy had +12)

Adroit - Lost City · August 2010

Twsted - Raging Tide wrote: »

lol? in order for a sin to have 5aps they need the rank 8 gear(or that genie skill which dosent last very long anyway) which is 100k rep so unless they spent a few years doing guard quests or fbs theres no way they have it unless they spent $4k+ on packs or about 800mil coins ingame? should really look these things up before you try to flame someone....theres a lot of threads out there about the dps of sins vs bms. and i know perfecctly well what aps is tyvm. not sure why i switched to aps from dps....lapse of thought process. besides the dps of sins vs bms depends on the gear. And i pk without charms if i cant afford one at the time and i do fine. most of the sin stunlock costs sparks so at one point theyre goin to hit u with a immobilization skill that giives chi u can slip away when they do that. then again i dont have a wiz so idk? i know wizzies that can survive most sin stunlocks and then kill them. but then their might be a skill lvl difference between them and you.

1. Sins don't need rank8 to get 5aps
2. rank8 is 200k rep
3. Do you have any idea what an end game character costs? If I had made a BM.. I could easily have 5aps right now
4. maybe its ok to pve charmless on a pve server, but on a pvp server you are at a huge disadvantage.. unless you are a sin.. because sins are OP and can pk just fine without a charm
5. Did you say you can slip away when they immobilize you? Explain.
6. You know wrong, the sin has got to be horribly undergeared or braindead to not kill a wiz that is being stunlocked

You may consider not posting anymore.. but up to you.

Olo_Eopia - Lost City · August 2010

most sins are used to easy kills, so get expel on your genie. and do as damaged says with spamming seal. (altho it is 50% with the shield on, if your pking alone your 50% screwed then, but if your in a pt, expel wil buy you nuff time for sumone to kill him fast.)
the awesomemest sins are the ones who seal you... you press expel and become invinceable to phys dmg AND your not sealed.

but yeah they are pretty crazy 1v1, but their easier than a charmed bm or barb with good gear. (due to not being able to use stuff like solid shield/te to lower dmg.)

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · August 2010

Olo_Eopia - Lost City wrote: »

most sins are used to easy kills, so get expel on your genie. and do as damaged says with spamming seal. (altho it is 50% with the shield on, if your pking alone your 50% screwed then, but if your in a pt, expel wil buy you nuff time for sumone to kill him fast.)
the awesomemest sins are the ones who seal you... you press expel and become invinceable to phys dmg AND your not sealed.

but yeah they are pretty crazy 1v1, but their easier than a charmed bm or barb with good gear. (due to not being able to use stuff like solid shield/te to lower dmg.)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA BS like Mount everest.b:chuckle

Twsted - Raging Tide · August 2010

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

1. Sins don't need rank8 to get 5aps
2. rank8 is 200k rep
3. Do you have any idea what an end game character costs? If I had made a BM.. I could easily have 5aps right now
4. maybe its ok to pve charmless on a pve server, but on a pvp server you are at a huge disadvantage.. unless you are a sin.. because sins are OP and can pk just fine without a charm
5. Did you say you can slip away when they immobilize you? Explain.
6. You know wrong, the sin has got to be horribly undergeared or braindead to not kill a wiz that is being stunlocked

You may consider not posting anymore.. but up to you.

1.uh to get 5aps out of demon spark yea they do..
2 my mistake lol
3.yea i do know wha an endgame char costs because i have 3 of them? bm on DW/barb on DW/archer on HL(**** though *sad face*). 5aps is easy on a bm....demon or sage only demon sins get 5aps unles u have the rank 8 gear liek i said
4. that might be true but ive pked on HL without a charm as well on my archer
5.immobilize dosent stun you? at some point int he stunlock ur goin to be only immobilized not stuned and ur slip skill(distance shrink i believe its called?) works even if ur immobilized.
6. lol? how are u tellin me what i know? Ambition on RT rarely dies to sins unless shes being atacked by more than one person or by the heavy CSers.

U should take that into consideration as well......i mean if i said something wrong correct me. if you dont agree with something i said then say so. no need to get a pissy attitude....

Twsted - Raging Tide · August 2010

Roin - Harshlands wrote: »

Twisted idk about your pve server but almost every 10x sin/bm that pks has 5 aps with +10-12 wpns and like +7 on the rest of there gear there is no way to fight that as a wiz without spending 20x the cash they used on your armor and its alot harder to make ingame coins as a wiz then a sin so unless they suck and power lvled with no clue how to play there class like 95% of them have done they are very OP endgame people with gear im guessing you have ( low refined hh90) are not bad at all thow but when a sin crits 2500 right out of stealth stuns you for like 15 sec? ( i had one stop me from moveing more then like 3 steps for allmost 30 sec b4 i died) there is allmost nothing you can do to win without geting very lucky

And no im not QQing like the other wiz i dont realy mind its fun fighting the sin geared like me (+4-5 hh90) but the heavy csers are way 2 hard even if you cs just as much as them (and there are alot now miss when only 1 guy had +12)

It probbaly is a lot different on pvp servers. havent been on HL for a while so idk. theres quite a fews sins on RT goin sage though because the skills for sage are better than demon so not every sin here has 5aps. and yea i have low refined TT90 >.< cnt rrlly one hit a wiz beause im a low dex build. have a harder time fightin them. you survived for almost 30 secs stunned against a sin? b:shocked

Lejont - Raging Tide · August 2010

ugh well if i manage to survive the first stun ill dist shrink but good sin dosnt let u go

Adroit - Lost City · August 2010

Twsted - Raging Tide wrote: »

1.uh to get 5aps out of demon spark yea they do..
2 my mistake lol
3.yea i do know wha an endgame char costs because i have 3 of them? bm on DW/barb on DW/archer on HL(**** though *sad face*). 5aps is easy on a bm....demon or sage only demon sins get 5aps unles u have the rank 8 gear liek i said
4. that might be true but ive pked on HL without a charm as well on my archer
5.immobilize dosent stun you? at some point int he stunlock ur goin to be only immobilized not stuned and ur slip skill(distance shrink i believe its called?) works even if ur immobilized.
6. lol? how are u tellin me what i know? Ambition on RT rarely dies to sins unless shes being atacked by more than one person or by the heavy CSers.

U should take that into consideration as well......i mean if i said something wrong correct me. if you dont agree with something i said then say so. no need to get a pissy attitude....

1. No they don't
2. Lol ya
3. 9x is not endgame, don't kid yourself
4. I've pk'd without a charm as well, but if you are going against someone that is half decent, you are going to be a HUGE disadvantage
5. yes you can blink when you are immobilized.. and that helps you escape how? Last time I checked sins have 2 different instant teleport skills. Jesus you are stupid.
6. IDK who ambition is, but judging by his 2.5 k/dr and 16xx kills, he doesn't sound all that scary to me

MagicHamsta - Lost City · August 2010

Bah Adroit, don't mind them.
They just be asassins who can't even use their attacks properly.
b:avoid

Twsted - Raging Tide · August 2010

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

1. No they don't
2. Lol ya
3. 9x is not endgame, don't kid yourself
4. I've pk'd without a charm as well, but if you are going against someone that is half decent, you are going to be a HUGE disadvantage
5. yes you can blink when you are immobilized.. and that helps you escape how? Last time I checked sins have 2 different instant teleport skills. Jesus you are stupid.
6. IDK who ambition is, but judging by his 2.5 k/dr and 16xx kills, he doesn't sound all that scary to me

1. yes they do....matter of fact if you say they can i would love to see how its done and im not talking about some wierd build that has them equip HA.
3. ha? my bm is 12% away from 101 and both my archer and barb were 100 with full TT99 gear
5. most of the time the sin uses the tele stun to stun u in the first place. if u shrink away+AD the teleporting back to you does jack for 3 secs.demon/sage spark, seal smack em hard? you know the fact that you cnt figure this out....is juss....annoying
6. yet hes figured out how to deal with sins and you havent...ijs
anyhow im off this. just continue to try to convince yourself that sins are impossible to beat even though its obviously not since its been done. not my loss. soo if a sin attacks jus let him kill you since hes clearly unbeatable. cyz around..or not....

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · August 2010

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5. most of the time the sin uses the tele stun to stun u in the first place. if u shrink away+AD the teleporting back to you does jack for 3 secs.demon/sage spark, seal smack em hard? you know the fact that you cnt figure this out....is juss....annoying
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1. As they see 3 spark they disappear.
2. If you are miracle kid and you are not sealed,stunned, etc you can seal him for max 4s(because of animation time). 4s is absolutely not enough to cast some stronger spell. And I don't telling about lag which take another 1s from you. So you have 3s to cast what? Gush?b:chuckle

Adroit - Lost City · August 2010

Twsted - Raging Tide wrote: »

1. yes they do....matter of fact if you say they can i would love to see how its done and im not talking about some wierd build that has them equip HA.
3. ha? my bm is 12% away from 101 and both my archer and barb were 100 with full TT99 gear
5. most of the time the sin uses the tele stun to stun u in the first place. if u shrink away+AD the teleporting back to you does jack for 3 secs.demon/sage spark, seal smack em hard? you know the fact that you cnt figure this out....is juss....annoying
6. yet hes figured out how to deal with sins and you havent...ijs
anyhow im off this. just continue to try to convince yourself that sins are impossible to beat even though its obviously not since its been done. not my loss. soo if a sin attacks jus let him kill you since hes clearly unbeatable. cyz around..or not....

1. lololololol I can't believe ur still holding onto this. I tell ya what, if I show you how to get 5aps on a sin without rank8 will you admit that you are a n00btard and never post in the wizard forums again? If so, I'd be happy to show you how stupid you are.
5. Apparently you don't understand how sins pk, or what pk is like in general. I've explained what it is like wiz vs. sin in NUMEROUS posts earlier in this thread and the other wiz v **** thread in the wizard forums. Do yourself a favor and stop posting your stupid ideas until you've tested them.
6. I'm still waiting for any reliable way to put up a fight vs a sin. So far, you need to bank on the sin being braindead to kill it. I would LOVE for Ambition to fight the same sins I'm fighting b:chuckle

Roin - Harshlands · August 2010

Twisted im sorry bro but your pker friend is fighitng noob sin a endgame sin that is not **** is to much for a wiz my lvl 96 sin friend has over 7k hp so far with his pure dex build soon as he can use his archers gear he will even **** the best wiz on our server without geting hit a good sin knows what he is doing and can hold you down for a very long time and with your high crit % higher crit damage and good damage as it is a wiz wont last very long even with genie + apoth pots im just happy most sin are trash and that i dont need to fight all the heavy csing ones yet not that its realy hard to get OP gear without csing

Ignation - Lost City · August 2010

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c4a50073c18b133a

a 5.0 sin without rank8.

Unless you are talking about perma 5.0 even without hell spark.

Stop being ignorant. shows you know nothing about your class.

Twsted - Raging Tide · August 2010

Ignation - Lost City wrote: »

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c4a50073c18b133a

a 5.0 sin without rank8.

Unless you are talking about perma 5.0 even without hell spark.

Stop being ignorant. shows you know nothing about your class.

lol actually i did mean without demon spark if u actually read what i said >.<

Twsted - Raging Tide · August 2010

Roin - Harshlands wrote: »

Twisted im sorry bro but your pker friend is fighitng noob sin a endgame sin that is not **** is to much for a wiz my lvl 76 sin friend has over 7k hp so far with his pure dex build soon as he can use his archers gear he will even **** the best wiz on our server without geting hit a good sin knows what he is doing and can hold you down for a very long time and with your high crit % higher crit damage and good damage as it is a wiz wont last very long even with genie + apoth pots im just happy most sin are trash and that i dont need to fight all the heavy csing ones yet not that its realy hard to get OP gear without csing

wtf?? how the hell did he get 7k with a pure dex build at 76? O.o thats beast....im using a hybrid build and i only have 5.6k. did he crazy refine his TT70 gear?

Twsted - Raging Tide · August 2010

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

1. lololololol I can't believe ur still holding onto this. I tell ya what, if I show you how to get 5aps on a sin without rank8 will you admit that you are a n00btard and never post in the wizard forums again? If so, I'd be happy to show you how stupid you are.
5. Apparently you don't understand how sins pk, or what pk is like in general. I've explained what it is like wiz vs. sin in NUMEROUS posts earlier in this thread and the other wiz v **** thread in the wizard forums. Do yourself a favor and stop posting your stupid ideas until you've tested them.
6. I'm still waiting for any reliable way to put up a fight vs a sin. So far, you need to bank on the sin being braindead to kill it. I would LOVE for Ambition to fight the same sins I'm fighting b:chuckle

1. pray tell...

kenlee · August 2010

Roin - Harshlands wrote: »

Twisted im sorry bro but your pker friend is fighitng noob sin a endgame sin that is not **** is to much for a wiz my lvl 76 sin friend has over 7k hp so far with his pure dex build soon as he can use his archers gear he will even **** the best wiz on our server without geting hit a good sin knows what he is doing and can hold you down for a very long time and with your high crit % higher crit damage and good damage as it is a wiz wont last very long even with genie + apoth pots im just happy most sin are trash and that i dont need to fight all the heavy csing ones yet not that its realy hard to get OP gear without csing

tell me a sin that takes down those +12 rank 8 wiz on HL? no those arent wiz that have like 1k kills and act pro on forum. they have 10k+ kills for a reason

Twsted - Raging Tide · August 2010

kenlee wrote: »

tell me a sin that takes down those +12 rank 8 wiz on HL? no those arent wiz that have like 1k kills and act pro on forum. they have 10k+ kills for a reason

or 3k kills b:chuckle

Roin - Harshlands · August 2010

kenlee wrote: »

tell me a sin that takes down those +12 rank 8 wiz on HL? no those arent wiz that have like 1k kills and act pro on forum. they have 10k+ kills for a reason

no clue but i would think a +12 sin can without 2 much trouble but who knows the only hard part about a sin is how they can stun lock you and hold you down for a very long time not many of them have a clue how to do it just like bm failing at stunlocking but if they do get good at it you wont realy have time to kill them unless they die 1-2 shots and not many people will have a chance to do that on a sin with high refines would love to watch a fight with Harshlands best sin and wiz tho looks fun and im not saying sin are so OP that they cant die but a good sin have a HUGE advantage over a good wiz lol
and sorry my sin friend was 97 lol fail typo xD

Adroit - Lost City · August 2010

Twsted - Raging Tide wrote: »

or 3k kills b:chuckle

or 3xx kills b:chuckle

Twsted - Raging Tide · August 2010

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

or 3xx kills b:chuckle

3xx kills in a month is pretty good i think O.o + PVE server >.< not everyones white named. ur ona pvp server soo yea....also im not seein that 5aps sin? still waitin

Olo_Eopia - Lost City · August 2010

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA BS like Mount everest.b:chuckle

not my problem if your just terribad

expel yourself and any locking they do is wasted on you resisting their damage, you just keep trying to move away = once ur out of your own seal, seal them then use sutra and spam spells. if seal fails, you still have distance shrink (they have two teleports but they ussually waste tele stun already, and for the other tele you still have time to get a skill off. seriously though, yes they are op 1v1, but not unbeatable.
oh and alot of sins use silence in their lock, if their tryingto lock you. (know which sins do, then use expel as soon as you see silence on you.)
but yeah expel gives you nuff time for another person to kill them, or you to get out of their lock to kill them. (they are especially easy if your buffed because they don't have purge or anything)

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · August 2010

Olo_Eopia - Lost City wrote: »

not my problem if your just terribad
expel yourself and any locking they do is wasted on you resisting their damage, you just keep trying to move away = once ur out of your own seal, seal them then use sutra and spam spells. if seal fails, you still have distance shrink (they have two teleports but they ussually waste tele stun already, and for the other tele you still have time to get a skill off. seriously though, yes they are op 1v1, but not unbeatable.
oh and alot of sins use silence in their lock, if their tryingto lock you. (know which sins do, then use expel as soon as you see silence on you.)
but yeah expel gives you nuff time for another person to kill them, or you to get out of their lock to kill them. (they are especially easy if your buffed because they don't have purge or anything)

Do you know what you telling or not? If I expel myself why should sin attack? Do you think he is crazy nut? He will just wait till expel is gone. And if I after expel escape with distant shrink do you think he will be still there and wait till I seal him? Do you thinking before you writing something? He would disappear immediately if I escape from his locks. Did you ever fight against them? Apparently not.

Twsted - Raging Tide · August 2010

Olo_Eopia - Lost City wrote: »

not my problem if your just terribad
expel yourself and any locking they do is wasted on you resisting their damage, you just keep trying to move away = once ur out of your own seal, seal them then use sutra and spam spells. if seal fails, you still have distance shrink (they have two teleports but they ussually waste tele stun already, and for the other tele you still have time to get a skill off. seriously though, yes they are op 1v1, but not unbeatable.
oh and alot of sins use silence in their lock, if their tryingto lock you. (know which sins do, then use expel as soon as you see silence on you.)
but yeah expel gives you nuff time for another person to kill them, or you to get out of their lock to kill them. (they are especially easy if your buffed because they don't have purge or anything)

SHHHHHHHH sins are unbeatable rememeber?

Olo_Eopia - Lost City · August 2010

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Do you know what you telling or not? If I expel myself why should sin attack? Do you think he is crazy nut? He will just wait till expel is gone. And if I after expel escape with distant shrink do you think he will be still there and wait till I seal him? Do you thinking before you writing something? He would disappear immediately if I escape from his locks. Did you ever fight against them? Apparently not.

hahah yes the sin is going to waste his shadow escape , Then have to get all that chi again, and get all buffs back up, in which case ur expel is up again.

try again.

and if they comeout again after they have already wasted most of their chi and shadow escape

and also I don't feel like logging off wiz to check on sin what force stealth cast time is , but if you seal them b4 its finished = their still there

so their not going to atk me while expeled? okay, they just wasted their buffs and gonna either wait them to recharge or attack me without buffs = woot seal just works 100% and also lower chi.

oh its a dif issue if they 1shot you, but unless they crit/zerk or u have terribad gear, that shouldn't happen.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · August 2010

Olo_Eopia - Lost City wrote: »

hahah yes the sin is going to waste his shadow escape , Then have to get all that chi again, and get all buffs back up, in which case ur expel is up again.

wrote:

I'm not sure if I understand. Shadow escape add him spark not loose chi.
Then how is possible this. I was attacked from stealth mode after I survive his attack and wanted to do anything he disappear and in few seconds he attack me again from stealth mode?
So what you talking about?

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