Wizards vs Assasins...

Ursa - Dreamweaver

lol

sins are PK/PvE in easy mode. Venos weren't effective anymore with the launch of gear from anni packs so they had to introduce a new class for all the skill challenged out there. Now whoever can afford some cash can lvl one up pretty damn easy then enjoy killing the less fortunate of same lvl and a bit higher. When all your skills have a stun/sleep/freeze addition, a "avoid death" skill and you have a teleport+stun that works in any direction, you kinda' need to be brain dead to be bad in PvP/PK.
In PvE Bloodpaint is your personal cleric, need to say more?

As much as I and other dislike it, this class is actually bringing a lot of money to PWI. A lot of ppl roll one and are charging gold to make it better (Sin is ultimately kinda' squishy and needs a lot of good gear to make it worthwhile) and the rest are charging gold trying to avoid being rolled over by sins. WIN-WIN situation for PWI.
Psy has a limited use, but meh, that's a class for the "i want to be different" out there.

Alimion - Sanctuary

You hit the nail on the head URZA, as a raging capitalist myself, the SIN was a brilliant move, it satisfies almost every gamer requirement down to the body movements. Combine that with almost being near indestructible you create the perfect gaming class for a generation of people who grew up without being told "no" or "you lose" and have full access to massive cash flow(thiers or parents) and PWI emo walks all the way to the bank...in stealth mode.

Adroit - Lost City

fulgida wrote: »

And I suppose this rather clearly illustrates the difference between forums and games.

I do not always win against assassins, especially when they have a squad backing them up and I am solo, but I usually beat them with my wizard (and with my archer).

The tricks are:

Do stuff to stop taking damage from them and break up their stunlock.
Hit them hard and fast. (If you do this right they might not even notice that their deadened nerves got used up.)

Also, I usually wind up fighting them when I am in the air or water.

So most fights with sins I have go something like this.. I'm standing there, get headhunted and then immobilized out of stealth.. they start hitting me with 5aps. I domain.. domain ends and I'm dead before I can do anything (sometimes I get a blink in time, but they just teleport and finish me off). Getting hit for 1k non-crit with just normal atks means you don't even get the opportunity to fight back.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Sins silence you on top of paralyze so you can't even blink either.

fulgida

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

So most fights with sins I have go something like this.. I'm standing there, get headhunted and then immobilized out of stealth.. they start hitting me with 5aps. I domain.. domain ends and I'm dead before I can do anything (sometimes I get a blink in time, but they just teleport and finish me off).

I am going to suggest you go read up on the skill(s) they have been using to kill you.

You have described a major flaw in your strategy for dealing with them and if you are going to be making mistakes like that of course they will kill you.

Here is one tip: look at the cooldown and duration on headhunt and on absolute domain and think about how long you should wait before triggering absolute domain

Ursa - Dreamweaver

yup.
basically that sums it up.
There is little to none you can do when fighting a decently refined sin with -interval stacked.
There are a few options you have when the sin sucks, but even then, you have slim chances for survival. If an ex-BM or archer plays that sin, you're usually screwed. Those guys already have the timings exercised with their previous class, playing the sin with so many skill advantages and 5aps is just "press combo button" ... combo that ends with Shadow Escape.
I mean, lol, that Shadow Escape is also a purify, so you can't even kill him with a DoT... I mean, really?
Meh, i'm wasting my time. Sins are the ultimate cash shop class. PWE had to introduce them, it was a very inteligent business move for a bunch of diferent reasons, and they will stay as they are for a long, long time.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol

sins are PK/PvE in easy mode. Venos weren't effective anymore with the launch of gear from anni packs so they had to introduce a new class for all the skill challenged out there. Now whoever can afford some cash can lvl one up pretty damn easy then enjoy killing the less fortunate of same lvl and a bit higher. When all your skills have a stun/sleep/freeze addition, a "avoid death" skill and you have a teleport+stun that works in any direction, you kinda' need to be brain dead to be bad in PvP/PK.
In PvE Bloodpaint is your personal cleric, need to say more?

As much as I and other dislike it, this class is actually bringing a lot of money to PWI. A lot of ppl roll one and are charging gold to make it better (Sin is ultimately kinda' squishy and needs a lot of good gear to make it worthwhile) and the rest are charging gold trying to avoid being rolled over by sins. WIN-WIN situation for PWI.
Psy has a limited use, but meh, that's a class for the "i want to be different" out there.

2 words
Forsaken World
already got my guild b:avoid

Adroit - Lost City

fulgida wrote: »

I am going to suggest you go read up on the skill(s) they have been using to kill you.

You have described a major flaw in your strategy for dealing with them and if you are going to be making mistakes like that of course they will kill you.

Here is one tip: look at the cooldown and duration on headhunt and on absolute domain and think about how long you should wait before triggering absolute domain

I play a sin, I know exactly what the skills do and how OP they are. A major flaw in my strategy? There is no strategy that is effective against a sin, and delaying domain is so obvious and ineffective that you have just been placed in the top 5 stupidest people to ever post on the forums.

I was about to go into how wrong your "strategy" (lol I can't believe I'm calling it that) is, but I don't even know where to start. I'll give you a hint though, if you delay domain, you are going to be taking about 5k damage per second (assuming they don't crit at all.. lol).. and that is on top of at least a 2-3k non-crit headhunt. Now lets pretend that you hit domain just in time so that you would have died from the next hit, but you are now immune. Assuming they had not used tackling slash.. you could try to kite the sin I suppose (although knife throw will generally finish you off), but being that they can teleport to you (2 teleport skills I might add) it is going to be pretty fkn hard. Add in that tiny bit of lag that everyone experiences.. and half the time they'll kill you before you can blink away, the other half they teleport to you and kill you anyway. So lets move on, lets say the sin is braindead and can't catch you before your charm ticks.. well now it is your turn to try to get a few hits in. You can try seal and sleep, but again if they are self buffed.. they are nearly impossible to kill when they dodge your control skills or your damage skills.. either one fks you over. In addition, if they have too many skills on cooldown or really for w/e reason they want they can just restealth and start with a headhunt again.. this time your domain is on cooldown. God you are dumb.

Sun_Burn - Lost City

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

I play a sin, I know exactly what the skills do and how OP they are. A major flaw in my strategy? There is no strategy that is effective against a sin, and delaying domain is so obvious and ineffective that you have just been placed in the top 5 stupidest people to ever post on the forums.

I was about to go into how wrong your "strategy" (lol I can't believe I'm calling it that) is, but I don't even know where to start. I'll give you a hint though, if you delay domain, you are going to be taking about 5k damage per second (assuming they don't crit at all.. lol).. and that is on top of at least a 2-3k non-crit headhunt. Now lets pretend that you hit domain just in time so that you would have died from the next hit, but you are now immune. Assuming they had not used tackling slash.. you could try to kite the sin I suppose (although knife throw will generally finish you off), but being that they can teleport to you (2 teleport skills I might add) it is going to be pretty fkn hard. Add in that tiny bit of lag that everyone experiences.. and half the time they'll kill you before you can blink away, the other half they teleport to you and kill you anyway. So lets move on, lets say the sin is braindead and can't catch you before your charm ticks.. well now it is your turn to try to get a few hits in. You can try seal and sleep, but again if they are self buffed.. they are nearly impossible to kill when they dodge your control skills or your damage skills.. either one fks you over. In addition, if they have too many skills on cooldown or really for w/e reason they want they can just restealth and start with a headhunt again.. this time your domain is on cooldown. God you are dumb.

^ all that times 9001

Astrohawke - Lost City

The thing is you can't expect to be able to own every class just because you're a wizard that managed to reach endgame. Sins are good against squishy characters but they're not so good against equally geared BMs and Barbs. Wizards on the other hand do tons of damage to HA classes and have a lot less trouble dealing with them. It's not the end of the world if you can't beat a sin. I'm sure a sin feels the same when he can't beat a BM.

fulgida

Sigh, I know I am going to regret posting this, I just know it. After this post, I am going to stop posting. You can go on about how stupid and idiotic I am to your hearts content. But...

Head hunt has 1.5 seconds casting and last for 5 seconds. This means that after head hunt lands you will not be taking any damage for a second and a half and you need to survive 3.5 seconds of damage until you can take an action.

Level 10 absolute domain lasts for four seconds.

If you can not figure out how to make use of those facts to survive long enough to do distance shrink...

yes, you are right it must be because I am the biggest idiot ever, and your strategy is flawless.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

The thing is you can't expect to be able to own every class just because you're a wizard that managed to reach endgame. Sins are good against squishy characters but they're not so good against equally geared BMs and Barbs. Wizards on the other hand do tons of damage to HA classes and have a lot less trouble dealing with them. It's not the end of the world if you can't beat a sin. I'm sure a sin feels the same when he can't beat a BM.

i am not sure after lv99 a bm that extremly hard with sin. also maybe easier a barb with wizz but sametime the sin is who could survive the highest dmg skills in game (like armageddeon, wizz ulti) and its just tick 1x their hiero (if dont was 1 dmg, ty to dodge skill what got 25-33% chance)

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

The thing is you can't expect to be able to own every class just because you're a wizard that managed to reach endgame. Sins are good against squishy characters but they're not so good against equally geared BMs and Barbs. Wizards on the other hand do tons of damage to HA classes and have a lot less trouble dealing with them. It's not the end of the world if you can't beat a sin. I'm sure a sin feels the same when he can't beat a BM.

I'm pretty sure a BM can't come out of stealth, stun and kill u in under 2 seconds. IJS...
What you don't understand is that it's not about how sins can or can't kill wizards, is about the number of skills they have and the tactical advantage they give you.
Yes, we reached endgame on wizards, that doesn't mean a half brain sin can just roflpwn you because well...he's a sin. I'm not even talking about the full event geared sins 'cause there is pretty much nothing you can do about those. I'm talking about decently geared ppl, +5-6 refines, grade 9 shards.

Sun_Burn - Lost City

fulgida wrote: »

Sigh, I know I am going to regret posting this, I just know it. After this post, I am going to stop posting. You can go on about how stupid and idiotic I am to your hearts content. But...

Head hunt has 1.5 seconds casting and last for 5 seconds. This means that after head hunt lands you will not be taking any damage for a second and a half and you need to survive 3.5 seconds of damage until you can take an action.

Level 10 absolute domain lasts for four seconds.

If you can not figure out how to make use of those facts to survive long enough to do distance shrink...

yes, you are right it must be because I am the biggest idiot ever, and your strategy is flawless.

Right because distance shrink will save us.. look up Shadow Teleport sir.


Besides.. if for some reason you pulled off Domain in the right timing and got away.. the sin is either gonna shadow teleport to u to continue their stunning/immobilizing spree, or if theyve used all of their available stuns and your not dead they will just go back into stealth to try again when everything of theirs is not in cooldown.

Ofc our domain will be in cooldown when you decide to attack again..

Astrohawke - Lost City

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm pretty sure a BM can't come out of stealth, stun and kill u in under 2 seconds. IJS...
What you don't understand is that it's not about how sins can or can't kill wizards, is about the number of skills they have and the tactical advantage they give you.
Yes, we reached endgame on wizards, that doesn't mean a half brain sin can just roflpwn you because well...he's a sin. I'm not even talking about the full event geared sins 'cause there is pretty much nothing you can do about those. I'm talking about decently geared ppl, +5-6 refines, grade 9 shards.

And I'm sure a BM thinks it's extremely fair when he gets 1 shot by a wizard after spending a billion dollars on uber gear.

Plus stealth is overrated as a surprise mechanism. It's a good escape machanism sure, but it's easy to surprise people without stealth. No one is scanning 360 degrees around themselves at all time. A BM can easily drop out of the sky or sprint or whatever to get next to you and stun you then kill you in less than 2 seconds before you can react as well.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

That's BS. If a wizard has to use Absolute Domain to even have the slightest chance to beat a sin, a BM shouldn't complain having to use it against a one-shot BIDS crit either. And his chances of beating the wiz then are a lot better than a wiz has against a sin (which is nearly 0%). b:bye

Who am I kidding, the BM can even use ironguard powders, or that 6-sec immune powder, or even tranquilizing orbs!

Try to use that when you are headhunted b:chuckle oh wait wiz have no anti-stun either.

In fact sins can even use tranquilizing orbs on TOP of absolute domain for 8+4 immunity (and are not stunned while doing so!). Yup yup they are so squishy.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

And I'm sure a BM thinks it's extremely fair when he gets 1 shot by a wizard after spending a billion dollars on uber gear.

Plus stealth is overrated as a surprise mechanism. It's a good escape machanism sure, but it's easy to surprise people without stealth. No one is scanning 360 degrees around themselves at all time. A BM can easily drop out of the sky or sprint or whatever to get next to you and stun you then kill you in less than 2 seconds before you can react as well.

its really lol.somebody must be very big nub for dont useing the t button on keyboard.
Same time i dont think u can 1hit a bm who is full refine, mainly if vit build too.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

And I'm sure a BM thinks it's extremely fair when he gets 1 shot by a wizard after spending a billion dollars on uber gear.

Plus stealth is overrated as a surprise mechanism. It's a good escape machanism sure, but it's easy to surprise people without stealth. No one is scanning 360 degrees around themselves at all time. A BM can easily drop out of the sky or sprint or whatever to get next to you and stun you then kill you in less than 2 seconds before you can react as well.

if you manage to get oneshot by a skill that takes 4 seconds to channel and 1.6 to cast...you might be deserving that 1shot. There are so many pots, genie skills and tactics to avoid that shot in a 1v1 that I can't even be bothered to begin counting.

And let me tell you something: if you spent 1 billion coins not dollars on uber gear, and still get 1 shot, well, then here's the proof: Skill cant be bought. A wizz needs about that much to get one weapon that's going to help you do that not considering the rest of the gear, and STILL, has only a 25% chance to crit on that BIDS. And it's a skill that takes 2 sparks and 5.6 seconds to complete. Don't you think is kinda' efffing fair to die from 1 hit that takes 5.6 seconds to complete, the equivalent of you doing about 27 hits? you know, that might be a fair thing thing.

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Amen to that.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you manage to get oneshot by a skill that takes 4 seconds to channel and 1.6 to cast...you might be deserving that 1shot. There are so many pots, genie skills and tactics to avoid that shot in a 1v1 that I can't even be bothered to begin counting.

And let me tell you something: if you spent 1 billion coins not dollars on uber gear, and still get 1 shot, well, then here's the proof: Skill cant be bought. A wizz needs about that much to get one weapon that's going to help you do that not considering the rest of the gear, and STILL, has only a 25% chance to crit on that BIDS. And it's a skill that takes 2 sparks and 5.6 seconds to complete. Don't you think is kinda' efffing fair to die from 1 hit that takes 5.6 seconds to complete, the equivalent of you doing about 27 hits? you know, that might be a fair thing thing.

This post should be stacked in general forum.b:victory

Astrohawke - Lost City

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you manage to get oneshot by a skill that takes 4 seconds to channel and 1.6 to cast...you might be deserving that 1shot. There are so many pots, genie skills and tactics to avoid that shot in a 1v1 that I can't even be bothered to begin counting.

And let me tell you something: if you spent 1 billion coins not dollars on uber gear, and still get 1 shot, well, then here's the proof: Skill cant be bought. A wizz needs about that much to get one weapon that's going to help you do that not considering the rest of the gear, and STILL, has only a 25% chance to crit on that BIDS. And it's a skill that takes 2 sparks and 5.6 seconds to complete. Don't you think is kinda' efffing fair to die from 1 hit that takes 5.6 seconds to complete, the equivalent of you doing about 27 hits? you know, that might be a fair thing thing.

I don't understand. What skill is involved in 1-shotting or being 1-shot? And you talk about casting time but honestly wtf is sutra for? How much skill is needed to sutra + pot/master li + BIDS and 1-shot someone?

Borsuc - Raging Tide

You need:

Both on cooldown, chi ready, and hope opponent is dumb enough to not use a counter.

Sutra animation is obvious. Chi pot as well. An opponent can use a tranquilizing orb, or defense orb (making 1-shot harder) or anything basically.

And it takes a lot of skill to counter that, but it's not easy to pull it off successfully either -- of course, like I said, except on opponents who are either dumb, or not aware of you. In the latter, you shouldn't complain anyway.

If opponent is ready for wiz, wiz is gonna suck. And this is a problem.

Astrohawke - Lost City

In what situation are you talking about where people are aware that a wizard is about to attack them? It's virtually impossible to be aware of anyone who is about to RPK you. Unless you want to give yourself a brain aneurism looking at the minimap and pressing T and checking every green dot that appears on the map, you will be surprised either by someone attacking you from the air or dropping right on top of you. You don't need stealth to surprise anyone in RPK.

The same goes for TW because there is just so much going on. Some wizard can easily drop a bids on a group of people who are engaged with BMs or Barbs in the front line. Even if they realize what's about the happen and use genie or pop a pot or whatever, it really doesn't stop the next wizard from doing the same thing right after while all that is on cooldown.

The only time when you might actually be "aware" that someone is going to kill you is if you're standing outside westgate looking for some PK action. In a situation like that, do you know how hard it is for a sin to kill someone? Try it. The only thing a sin can do to someone who is running and jumping around and getting on and off aerogear is shadow teleport. Virtually every other skill cannot even be used because of delay making them move out of range before casting is finished.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Dr House, welcome to our forums/
Still, you might need to check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_aneurysm , on the "Causes" paragraph.

Now, If you look a bit back, and probably try to understand ( without getting a stroke - FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroke) what I've said, is that in a 1v1 situation that BIDS crit is not that scary. You came up with some stupid arguments about sutra, no channel pots, chi pots, whatever. I'll give you just one counter: Absolute Domain. On 1v1, no matter what the efff you use, the animations for ultis are still there. That gives you enough time to Domain and get out alive. That if you know wizards skills on both channel and cast animations.
Rest of your post is pretty much tard. If you're not a cleric (that should be in air protected anyway) or a barb pulling a Cata you should keep your distance from it, cause prolly the wizz will target that cata with a BIDS knowing the barb is there somewhere. Anyway, I'm not payed to school nubs here, so I'm just going to throw something out there:
Aquaflame Armor
Oxygen Bubble
If at least half of your brain is working, you'll figure out what they are good for.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

I don't understand. What skill is involved in 1-shotting or being 1-shot? And you talk about casting time but honestly wtf is sutra for? How much skill is needed to sutra + pot/master li + BIDS and 1-shot someone?

ofc still enough time for pressing a domain also only 25% chance else u wasted all chi and u are there like a all class pet + if he use mdef sutra (like most of bm) then hardly 1hit if he have a decent gear (also not allways have 399 chi) xD

In what situation are you talking about where people are aware that a wizard is about to attack them? It's virtually impossible to be aware of anyone who is about to RPK you. Unless you want to give yourself a brain aneurism looking at the minimap and pressing T and checking every green dot that appears on the map, you will be surprised either by someone attacking you from the air or dropping right on top of you. You don't need stealth to surprise anyone in RPK.

i am not sure the biggest problem is the rpkers, mostly koser guild more annyoing and yes when i am in guild who kosed i allways press the "t" when i se a new player in minimap and i am not in safe zone.

The same goes for TW because there is just so much going on. Some wizard can easily drop a bids on a group of people who are engaged with BMs or Barbs in the front line. Even if they realize what's about the happen and use genie or pop a pot or whatever, it really doesn't stop the next wizard from doing the same thing right after while all that is on cooldown.

sadly but i rarly can do bids in tw without sutra, all archer aimed me and stun before wr is in 20m range....

Virtually every other skill cannot even be used because of delay making them move out of range before casting is finished.

maybe u have bad luck with stun skills?

Astrohawke - Lost City

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Dr House, welcome to our forums/
Still, you might need to check this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_aneurysm , on the "Causes" paragraph.

Now, If you look a bit back, and probably try to understand ( without getting a stroke - FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stroke) what I've said, is that in a 1v1 situation that BIDS crit is not that scary. You came up with some stupid arguments about sutra, no channel pots, chi pots, whatever. I'll give you just one counter: Absolute Domain. On 1v1, no matter what the efff you use, the animations for ultis are still there. That gives you enough time to Domain and get out alive. That if you know wizards skills on both channel and cast animations.
Rest of your post is pretty much tard. If you're not a cleric (that should be in air protected anyway) or a barb pulling a Cata you should keep your distance from it, cause prolly the wizz will target that cata with a BIDS knowing the barb is there somewhere. Anyway, I'm not payed to school nubs here, so I'm just going to throw something out there:
Aquaflame Armor
Oxygen Bubble
If at least half of your brain is working, you'll figure out what they are good for.

I already told you why AD will not work in 1v1 against 1 shot skills unless you're literally standing around expecting to be attacked. And wtf do you mean don't be near the barb? There are always going to be people near some barb whether it's to kill the people attacking your barb, or to kill the enemy barb.

I'm tired of arguing with wizards tbh. You guys are the kings and queens of QQ. You QQ about literally everything that is even slightly not in your favor despite already being the most OP endgame PvP character. But when something gives you a huge advantage, it's all fine, it's not OP, we deserve it.

And please keep resorting to personal attacks because that's all you have. Oh apart from saying legit arguments are stupid then make stupid arguments of your own like **** genie skills that most people won't have learnt.

No doubt you'll come back and call me a noob that knows nothing because wizards are the only pros in this game and deserve to pewpew everyone on account of being wizards. Why don't you suggest in what ways sins can be nerfed so wizards can own them more. I'm sure the devs would be happy to listen. /ridicule

Borsuc - Raging Tide

Just because YOU suck at finding people around you and don't have good enough reflexes to counter them, doesn't mean that the opponent is good. Balance is properly done when people play to their full capacity.

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

I'm tired of arguing with wizards tbh. You guys are the kings and queens of QQ.

Because we have legitimate reasons to do so?
Why is it always other classes who have players that lack reflexes that say wizards are best? Don't blame your opponents for being too good, blame yourself for sucking.

And of course no matter how much data and theory is analyzed (to show why wizard "high damage" requires a lot of combo, or OP gear in comparison to ****-geared opponent) people will never listen, so why should I bother?

I find it funny that people think wizards can pull that perfect BIDS crit every 5 seconds or so. Extreme Poison, chi, whatever other stuff, debuffs and such... those are on 100% of the time. It's not like, if opponent evades BIDS, wizard is completely down at that point with nothing left except running away.

You seriously think a one-shot that uses all our genie, maybe Undine too (add on top of BIDS channeling+casting time!), is obvious from a mile away, and opponent can easily counter it unless he's a noob like you who is "not aware" of the wiz (hint: it's YOUR problem, not the game's balance -- you do know pressing T can even filter out by class right?)... you think this one-shot is not deserved?

Tell me something. WHAT else does a wizard have? Suppose this BIDS doesn't land a one-shot because target used something to counter it.

Now you say wizards are the best class based on your inability to be aware of them. Surely, there are plenty of PvP classes (hint: melee) that work very well at this point. So what can a wizard do now?

You ran out of genie, out of chi (and even if you have chi, your target knows you, YOU ARE SCREWED), out of the "unaware" position. What can you do?

Run away. That's right, run away, not kite or anything. Forget about killing your target, if it's charmed, you won't break through it (unless you sutra or something, but didn't you use it on BIDS?). And you'll probably end up stunned/controlled before you even land 2 hits.

Running away does not an OP class make ijs. It shows weakness actually. So **** with your "QQ I got one-shot" **** because it's your fault, and it's THE ONLY THING THAT WIZARDS HAVE. Counter it and you will beat any wizard.


And please don't start with wizards with +12 weapons and **** like that. Of course they hit damn hard, any class with +12 weapon does. But they don't hit hard on +12 armor. It is more expensive yes, but it is possible (while you can't upgrade your weapon further). b:bye

Ursa - Dreamweaver

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

I already told you why AD will not work in 1v1 against 1 shot skills unless you're literally standing around expecting to be attacked. And wtf do you mean don't be near the barb? There are always going to be people near some barb whether it's to kill the people attacking your barb, or to kill the enemy barb.

I'm tired of arguing with wizards tbh. You guys are the kings and queens of QQ. You QQ about literally everything that is even slightly not in your favor despite already being the most OP endgame PvP character. But when something gives you a huge advantage, it's all fine, it's not OP, we deserve it.

And please keep resorting to personal attacks because that's all you have. Oh apart from saying legit arguments are stupid then make stupid arguments of your own like **** genie skills that most people won't have learnt.

No doubt you'll come back and call me a noob that knows nothing because wizards are the only pros in this game and deserve to pewpew everyone on account of being wizards. Why don't you suggest in what ways sins can be nerfed so wizards can own them more. I'm sure the devs would be happy to listen. /ridicule

Lol, useless genie skills? dude, you're brain damaged.
ppl that kill your barb are usually ranged. The melee that are stupid enough to try will die to fast to do any kind of important dmg if there is any kind of communication in that cata team.
To attk a barb full buffed in tiger with melee seems to make some sense in your head that's why I'm just going to ignore you since you're a waste of my time and a never ending source of stupidity on wizard forum, stupidity I can't be bothered to combat anymore. Being (auto)brain washed about game mechanics in PWI serves no one. Too bad for the poor guys trying to read your posts with the hope they can learn something.

LE: Even Borsuc can spot you're a fail. That's pretty low.

Shadowvzs - Lost City

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

I'm tired of arguing with wizards tbh. You guys are the kings and queens of QQ. You QQ about literally everything that is even slightly not in your favor despite already being the most OP endgame PvP character. But when something gives you a huge advantage, it's all fine, it's not OP, we deserve it.

sry but the fact ur example is very special case what nearly never or very rarly happen in game. i dont qq but i dont really think the fail examples (low lv sin, low refined sin vs high refined wizz etc) help to show a posible situation.
alot thing changed at lv95-100.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Just because YOU suck at finding people around you and don't have good enough reflexes to counter them, doesn't mean that the opponent is good. Balance is properly done when people play to their full capacity.

Because we have legitimate reasons to do so?
Why is it always other classes who have players that lack reflexes that say wizards are best? Don't blame your opponents for being too good, blame yourself for sucking.

And of course no matter how much data and theory is analyzed (to show why wizard "high damage" requires a lot of combo, or OP gear in comparison to ****-geared opponent) people will never listen, so why should I bother?

I find it funny that people think wizards can pull that perfect BIDS crit every 5 seconds or so. Extreme Poison, chi, whatever other stuff, debuffs and such... those are on 100% of the time. It's not like, if opponent evades BIDS, wizard is completely down at that point with nothing left except running away.

You seriously think a one-shot that uses all our genie, maybe Undine too (add on top of BIDS channeling+casting time!), is obvious from a mile away, and opponent can easily counter it unless he's a noob like you who is "not aware" of the wiz (hint: it's YOUR problem, not the game's balance -- you do know pressing T can even filter out by class right?)... you think this one-shot is not deserved?

Tell me something. WHAT else does a wizard have? Suppose this BIDS doesn't land a one-shot because target used something to counter it.

Now you say wizards are the best class based on your inability to be aware of them. Surely, there are plenty of PvP classes (hint: melee) that work very well at this point. So what can a wizard do now?

You ran out of genie, out of chi (and even if you have chi, your target knows you, YOU ARE SCREWED), out of the "unaware" position. What can you do?

Run away. That's right, run away, not kite or anything. Forget about killing your target, if it's charmed, you won't break through it (unless you sutra or something, but didn't you use it on BIDS?). And you'll probably end up stunned/controlled before you even land 2 hits.

Running away does not an OP class make ijs. It shows weakness actually. So **** with your "QQ I got one-shot" **** because it's your fault, and it's THE ONLY THING THAT WIZARDS HAVE. Counter it and you will beat any wizard.


And please don't start with wizards with +12 weapons and **** like that. Of course they hit damn hard, any class with +12 weapon does. But they don't hit hard on +12 armor. It is more expensive yes, but it is possible (while you can't upgrade your weapon further). b:bye

I have to agree. I need sparks to have chance to kill some1. But usually another side doesn't have to have anything to kill me. If you waste your sparks and player is still alive you can just run.
P.S. I never 1shot any1 at my level with +8 purgatory.