Best 5.0 chars

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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I was talking about a 5.0 sage archer.

    So am I...

    I have 4 speed now unsparked. I'm still missing the chest & tome. I just need 1 more 005 to have 5 without a speed boost.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So am I...

    I have 4 speed now unsparked. I'm still missing the chest & tome. I just need 1 more 005 to have 5 without a speed boost.
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    lunar claws 1.67 atk/sec

    interval between hits: 1/1.67 = .598 seconds between hits

    .598 - .05 (lunar cape) - .05 (tome) - .05 (2 light armor) - .05 (2 heavy armor) - .1 (bracers) - .05 (nirvana pants) = .248 seconds between hits

    1/.248 = 4.03 atk/sec without spark :)

    Archers are the only class that can achieve 5.0 without a spark. They need to get rank 8 to get the chest plate which gives them -.1 instead of using a -.05 heave/light armor bonus this additional -.05 makes the rate .198 from .248 or 5 hits per second. Assassins can use this setup with lunar claws or TT100 fists but with the absence of increased critical damage skills and dagger devotion it will result in less damage.

    From another thread; without rank 8, nirvana pants, or tome you can't have 4.0 max is 3.33.
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    From another thread; without rank 8, nirvana pants, or tome you can't have 4.0 max is 3.33.

    Rofl then why are you talking if you don't even know?

    Meh

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=078300f2ba1ac623
    5 speed. No rank 8 no spark. Just pants & tome like I said.



    PS: So pwi calc doesn't have atk shards? :/
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Rofl then why are you talking if you don't even know?

    Meh

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=078300f2ba1ac623
    5 speed. No rank 8 no spark. Just pants & tome like I said.



    PS: So pwi calc doesn't have atk shards? :/

    Without tome and pants you have 3.33 not 4.0. That tome doesn't exist in game btw.
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  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That tome doesn't exist in game btw.

    Doesn't matter, Love:Up and Down has the same bonus.
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Without tome and pants you have 3.33 not 4.0. That tome doesn't exist in game btw.

    /facepalm pants & tome aren't 700m. Rank 8 is. Which apparently you claim archers need for pure 5 speed... & I have just shown as I have claimed in the beggining you can get the 5 with using pants & a tome & not have to spend so much $.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Doesn't matter, Love:Up and Down has the same bonus.

    I know it has the same one. I just wonder how much that would go for as the love up and down is about 200m. :O

    Also you can't upgrade to nirvana ever with that build :(
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  • Veno_Galore - Dreamweaver
    Veno_Galore - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Assassins are beast with 5.0 aps... they hit wayyyyy harder than archers and BMs
    BM is second because they do have more strength than most archers and they aren't as squishy
    archers last place cuz they have low strength and their pretty squishy and being squishy matters more without bloodpaint that sin has but using bows is sexy b:victory
  • Man - Raging Tide
    Man - Raging Tide Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    5 APS Barb in tiger form with Claws are the best TT tank in the game. A lot more hp, a lot more defense.
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Man - Raging Tide wrote: »
    5 APS Barb in tiger form with Claws are the best TT tank in the game. A lot more hp, a lot more defense.

    You can get banned if you use claws in tiger form.
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  • fulgida
    fulgida Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    You actually have five possibilities that people have been discussing here:

    fist:
    5aps archer
    5aps bm
    5aps assassin
    5aps barbarian

    dagger:
    5aps assassin (demon only and very expensive)

    Note also that archers can not benefit from bloodpaint, while assassins (and blademasters) can.

    Archers and Assassins are the cheapest to get to 5aps (with fists -- daggers are expensive to get to 5aps, but have higher base damage than fists and get bigger attribute bonuses than fists -- maybe 5..15% higher base damage, for comparable weapons).

    Assassins also have some nice chi generating skills, so you do not have to worry so much about running out of chi because you sparked just before your opponent died, where archers and blademasters might have to start battle without enough chi (or end battles without sparking for the last part).

    Personally, if I were building a character specifically to be using 5aps, I would make an assassin.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Unless you dump rediculous amounts of money into a sin or archer, BM would be most cost effective farming tanker, sin having the most DD and archer being the most versatile.

    Sins die. A lot. Unless you can gear up like Kitamura or Identical on LC. All the other sins would pretty much fail as a 3-3 / world boss / tank slave.

    fulgida wrote: »
    You actually have five possibilities that people have been discussing here:

    Veno is quite brutal as a 4.0 aps unsparked PvE class. Demon 75% reflect Bramble + 650% hell spark weapon damage bonus + the ability to amp, purge and armor break.
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Cant see how people say archers and assassins are the cheapest to get to 5.0. BMs and barbs are easily cheaper to get to 5.0. An archer pretty much needs to have 2 lunar weps, and both archer and sin need to have high refines/good shards, because if you do have 5.0 you're going to get aggro. It's pretty funny actually all the sins running around with stacked -int gears and +2 refines. They get into a TT, triple spark at boss, and then pretty much get one shot.

    And of course massive QQing because the tank cant hold aggro.
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  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Cant see how people say archers and assassins are the cheapest to get to 5.0. BMs and barbs are easily cheaper to get to 5.0. An archer pretty much needs to have 2 lunar weps,

    can you explain to me how BM and Barb can get 5.0 without tome or nriv pants please.
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  • VlLKASS - Sanctuary
    VlLKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    An archer pretty much needs to have 2 lunar weps,

    Eh? & barbs/bms don't need AXES? (also maybe a decent pole in bms case)
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Yes but I see ancient devil's souls going for 9mil each on RT now, compare that to a 60mil+ lunar bow.
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  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Yes but I see ancient devil's souls going for 9mil each on RT now, compare that to a 60mil+ lunar bow.

    do u also see tome or nirv pants under 60mil
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  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    No.


    An archer/sin needs more than a tome will cost easily. Have you seen a sin with +3 gears and a +2 rank 4 chest try to tank 3-3? I have, it was pretty hilarious. Sin lasted about 4 seconds against emperor.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    An archer will need higher armor refines and shards to be able to do some of the things that fist bms do, or they can always switch to bow... minister, illusion lord, emperor... etc...
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  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »
    No.


    An archer/sin needs more than a tome will cost easily. Have you seen a sin with +3 gears and a +2 rank 4 chest try to tank 3-3? I have, it was pretty hilarious. Sin lasted about 4 seconds against emperor.

    I thought we are talking about the cheapest to reach 5.0 dps, sry I missed the part of tanking part.

    And as for cheap tanking 5.0, still is demon sin/archer, just use HA set and only wearing rank top, simple as that, many ppl done it
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And as for cheap tanking 5.0, still is demon sin/archer, just use HA set and only wearing rank top, simple as that, many ppl done it

    Sin's damage is dex based. A sin going heavy armor would be pretty fail. I can imagine a sin or archer without pdef buff in HA try to tank 3-3 bosses with melee weapons. they would both be better off full dex with highly refined lunar bows because neither of them would be able to do it without a cleric.

    For something like Nirvana? Anyone can tank Nirvana.
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  • PaMpeReD - Heavens Tear
    PaMpeReD - Heavens Tear Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »
    LOL I get it. That's sarcastic because there are no such things as mages in this game. Lol good one.

    +50 win b:cute
  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Sin's damage is dex based. A sin going heavy armor would be pretty fail. I can imagine a sin or archer without pdef buff in HA try to tank 3-3 bosses with melee weapons. they would both be better off full dex with highly refined lunar bows because neither of them would be able to do it without a cleric.

    For something like Nirvana? Anyone can tank Nirvana.

    So we now adding buffs in.. okie.. fair enough, well sin can slow boss attack speed, and blood paint itself, that way sin can survive a lot longer.

    So now it's about solo... I'm really confused here... can you set up a paremeter please? You say cheapest 5.0 dd, I say archer/sin, you say cheapest tank i say archer dd with ha and la rank chest piece, now you say solo. Can you define your requirement? I say one thing, you add 1 more thing, change on the flyb:surrender I can't keep up
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  • Kitamura - Lost City
    Kitamura - Lost City Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I'm not sure why but I vote for sins b:chuckle
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  • SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear
    SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,225 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ok, I need opinion on 5.0 aps chars, between archer, bm and sins, what is better and why from two aspect. I'm asking because i'm primarily a robe user.

    First PVE damage, what is better? like between sage, demon, or skill, etc.

    Second in PVP, just to confirm it, archer and sin, is probably the cheapest to get to obtain a crazily powerful pvp?

    the first question is more important to me ^^


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  • NightRage - Raging Tide
    NightRage - Raging Tide Posts: 1,582 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    I like the diversity my 5.0 archer gives me. I can tank just about anything because I have decent refines, and I still have my +8 Lunar Bow for PK and such. I switch between the two in PK when fighting a barb or special other circumstances, and it's quite handy to have.

    If my quickshot procs, I can switch to claws and have 5.0 unsparked for long enough to get about a spark and a half or so back.

    But, I do envy the advantages of a BM. Better physical defense (I can't quite tank most world bosses yet b:surrender), bloodpaint works, and fist mastery.

    But I don't think I would trade it. I would hate to have to melee absolutely everything in this game.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So we now adding buffs in.. okie.. fair enough, well sin can slow boss attack speed, and blood paint itself, that way sin can survive a lot longer.

    So now it's about solo... I'm really confused here... can you set up a paremeter please? You say cheapest 5.0 dd, I say archer/sin, you say cheapest tank i say archer dd with ha and la rank chest piece, now you say solo. Can you define your requirement? I say one thing, you add 1 more thing, change on the flyb:surrender I can't keep up

    Parameters? Are you smoking crack?

    I just posted reasons why a 4.0 unsparked veno would be pretty amazing.

    5.0 BMs are a dime a dozen. 5.0 sins mostly die a lot. 5.0 barbs are pretty common. Nobody mentioned a valid fist veno.
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  • Egaenil - Heavens Tear
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Parameters? Are you smoking crack?

    I just posted reasons why a 4.0 unsparked veno would be pretty amazing.

    5.0 BMs are a dime a dozen. 5.0 sins mostly die a lot. 5.0 barbs are pretty common. Nobody mentioned a valid fist veno.

    So you the 1st one listed veno using fist is better?
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You DO know when veno spark, they gain the most add on damage thru spark right? That's why it is actually a very good build to let veno fist.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=825832&page=6

    I guess I ONLY posted it one hr b4 you did, I guess too much crack is bad for you, why 4.0 unsparked veno is amazing? wont a unsparked bm beat unsparked veno?
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So you the 1st one listed veno using fist is better?



    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=825832&page=6

    I guess I ONLY posted it one hr b4 you did, I guess too much crack is bad for you, why 4.0 unsparked veno is amazing? wont a unsparked bm beat unsparked veno?

    Crack is you saying that I said that anything was better than anything else, except for your failed HA sin build which would be horrible.

    Oooh yay, you posted something I didn't read an hour ago. I'm pretty sure I've seen Phirefly from LC get top 5 overall in Neinbeast a number of times with only +6 claws more than a month before you made that post?

    So what was your point?

    edit: yeah Phirefly is a 4.0 unsparked claw veno... if I were on crack I'd say you came to LC saw it and are claiming it's your idea or something stupid...
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  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited August 2010
    truekossy wrote: »
    Except that a sage sin can't reach 5.0 with daggers.

    Dunno if this was already said or not..not reading the whole thread but..

    2nd cast nirvana pants with r8 chest..wouldn't that make it 5.0 sage?
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