Best 5.0 chars

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

OIdpop - Heavens Tear wrote: »

here is our bm with 0.05 kirin wrist and non +'ed fist of heroisim and pure teamwork...the numbers look great to me..just imagine if he did had int. gear and possible some claws of some such.

http://www.xfire.com/video/2d75d7/

Legend - Raging Tide wrote: »

That was horri-bad damage yo.

i have to agree thats horrible dmg. would be easier if they could video the properly geared version of it cause its really hard to 'imagine' =/

Yulk - Heavens Tear

Loltank - Harshlands wrote: »

Obviously mage.

Ridiculous pdef, decent HP with armor refines, and you have emberstorm and frostblade!!111!

Lol b:laugh

Anyways, its assassin I believe in terms of damage.

Sin > BM > Veno > other

Realistically bms, sins and venoes are best with fast aps. But the rest of the classes, is not even worth bothering to get -int because it will just do nothing but make repair bills worse. While depending on refines a lot more

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol b:laugh

Anyways, its assassin I believe in terms of damage.

Sin > BM > Veno > other

Realistically bms, sins and venoes are best with fast aps. But the rest of the classes, is not even worth bothering to get -int because it will just do nothing but make repair bills worse. While depending on refines a lot more

So true! Archers who stack interval are totally fail since all it does is make repairs higher. Yulk when are you going to put all your wisdom down in a guide?

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yulk when are you going to put all your wisdom down in a guide?

That'd make me blacklist him for sure.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

So true! Archers who stack interval are totally fail since all it does is make repairs higher. Yulk when are you going to put all your wisdom down in a guide?

I'd so **** over your guide Yulk! You should make one! For serious!

BEASTisBOSS - Heavens Tear

Damage Wise - Sins or BM's
Surviving Wise - BM's
Reason why BM's will survive the longest, is cause of their marrow, Unless you brought genies into play, then barbs could possibly win it.
In terms of non-genie skills I think BM's have more of an advantage over Barbs/Archers/Sins because of Marrow, or because Demon Fist Mastery.
All in All, Archers are cheapest to make a 5.0 but then damage wise, They don't have the strength to be actually hitting that hard.
Unless your an archer with 300+str?

But the rest of the classes, is not even worth bothering to get -int because it will just do nothing but make repair bills worse. While depending on refines a lot more

Think you should retype that.. Possibly 1 of the worst things you could say lol.
I'm a Barb.. 5.0, can hold agro like 100 times better and still put out good damage.
But if you were a BM, it's even better as mentioned above.

TigerLily - Lost City

Sins with enough defenses + hp to tank is obviously the best 5 aps char. They deal so much more dmg than any other class, its pretty disgusting.

Problem is many Sins are dirt poor after getting Nirvana daggers with 0.1 interval and have no money for armor and ornament refines. They tend to go splat and lay dead waiting for ress more than actually DD-ing during bosses b:chuckle

Having a high dmg char that cant tank is pretty useless - so over all BMs are kinda better since you dont need +8+10 gear or stat vit to tank stuff like 3-3 lol

Yulk - Heavens Tear

BEASTisBOSS - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Damage Wise - Sins or BM's
Surviving Wise - BM's
Reason why BM's will survive the longest, is cause of their marrow, Unless you brought genies into play, then barbs could possibly win it.
In terms of non-genie skills I think BM's have more of an advantage over Barbs/Archers/Sins because of Marrow, or because Demon Fist Mastery.
All in All, Archers are cheapest to make a 5.0 but then damage wise, They don't have the strength to be actually hitting that hard.
Unless your an archer with 300+str?



Think you should retype that.. Possibly 1 of the worst things you could say lol.
I'm a Barb.. 5.0, can hold agro like 100 times better and still put out good damage.
But if you were a BM, it's even better as mentioned above.

First part of the quote, definitely true

Second part of the quote, 5.0 aps on barbs that don't even have fist mastery, archers do not have fist mastery as well. So how can barbs hold aggro without going above +5 with fists? On axes / ranged weapons is very irrelevant because they can't even get past 2.0 with those weapons

Kevinsdr - Harshlands

th best 5.0 char has to be assassins*yes im to lazy to look for names*

Traz - Dreamweaver

Kevinsdr - Harshlands wrote: »

th best 5.0 char has to be assassins*yes im to lazy to look for names*

5.0 sins can only tank 80% of what 5.0 barb/bms can.

Kevinsdr - Harshlands

lies come get some

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Lol b:laugh

Anyways, its assassin I believe in terms of damage.

Sin > BM > Veno > other

Realistically bms, sins and venoes are best with fast aps. But the rest of the classes, is not even worth bothering to get -int because it will just do nothing but make repair bills worse. While depending on refines a lot more

LOL so typical of Yulk's post, full of proness.

Do you have any thing other than "I read this somewhere in the forum" or "I saw this on youtube".

Yulk is such a funny guy, that's why I don't put him on blacklist for the forum, he makes all these funny posts

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear

5aps veno o.o

Asperitas - Lost City

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

So true! Archers who stack interval are totally fail since all it does is make repairs higher. Yulk when are you going to put all your wisdom down in a guide?

I'm not sure when this happened, but I'm liking your official title

truekossy

Russiee - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im full dex with 99 base str and I wear Claws ._.
Its just a matter of switching gear.

Way to take a quote out of context and still have an invalid point. To use claws, you'd need to split your stats between str (boosts damage) and Dex. As an archer, and as proven by your post, you'd naturally have less str than a BM would. An assassin can go for a pure dex build (aka maximizing their damage), plus keep their masteries and thus have the highest damage potential.

At no point in time did I say archers couldn't wear claws with minimal str. Simply that because an archer would have minimal str for claws, they would deal less damage than a BM, who would deal less damage than an assassin since a BM can't exactly go pure str to maximize their damage and still equip claws.

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

Yea.. Fist is just for pve ONLY for archer.. wat is pve for? pve is for pvp

so you dont want to loss any dex

Evga - Sanctuary

Ruvil - Sanctuary wrote: »

Cheapest is archer
BM needs either a -interval tome or nirvana pants
Sin is the most expensive and needs both the tome and the pants [unless you would prefer rank8 chest]. Sins also don't really have much of a choice for weapons and would need to use atleast 100 raptures for 1st cast nirvana daggers [rank6 is ok but we are talking about 5.0], whereas a BM could choose to use the cheaper lunar claws instead of TT100s if they wanted to.

in terms of greatest single target dps the order is reversed
Sin --->BM---> Archer
This is from just sparking and hitting the target, some people will probably argue that a BM does more due to comboing demon HF [which is unarguably awesome] dragonbane etc etc. While I have not done the numbers im pretty certain that a sin will still do more over the long run [powerdash wolf embel chi generation skills].

As much as I like archers I don't really see the point in making one IF you are just trying to make your own 5.0 farming char. Even though archer is the cheapest a Sin can use the same setup as an archer and be 5.0 ... with claws [just like an archer except w/ stealth and bloodpaint]. You could potentially farm the money needed to make a 5.0 dagger sin while using a 5.0 claw sin first.

I've played both 5.0 sin and archer in pvp. My sin is much more powerful in 1v1 then my archer though I had more fun playing archer.

thanks... and i'm always thinking of tw ^^ so i'm leaning towards playing an archer because i know archers are crazy **** killers ^^

Ranfa - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

5aps archer is actually pretty comparable to BM. What archers lack in Str and mastery they somewhat make up for in crit and blazing arrow. Still archer comes out about 6% less damage than that same weapon on a BM. A 5.0 dagger sin tho is significantly higher damage than both BM and archers.

Actually Demon archers can actually reach 5.0 with any fist weapon which means they can use G15 nirvana claws without getting really lucky with -interval mods.

I never doubted 5 aps Archer's DPS capability, as I said in terms of practicality. Archers do not have the survivability of BMs/Sins. There is a reason Archers use bows and roll LA after all, and Archers should really only use fists in PvE for the laughs. In PvP bows are just 100x more practical than fists.

Egaenil - Heavens Tear

Ranfa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I never doubted 5 aps Archer's DPS capability, as I said in terms of practicality. Archers do not have the survivability of BMs/Sins. There is a reason Archers use bows and roll LA after all, and Archers should really only use fists in PvE for the laughs. In PvP bows are just 100x more practical than fists.

b:angry fist in pve for archer isnt JUST for life, all seriouseness it beats bow by miles, over a period of 5mins, fist can do 2x even 3x the damage had you used bow

truekossy

Ranfa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I never doubted 5 aps Archer's DPS capability, as I said in terms of practicality. Archers do not have the survivability of BMs/Sins. There is a reason Archers use bows and roll LA after all, and Archers should really only use fists in PvE for the laughs. In PvP bows are just 100x more practical than fists.

... Waitwhat? Last I checked, one of the first to do Harpy on PWI had an archer tanking. So that survivability argument of yours just went right out the window. Also consider that sins roll LA as well, so their base defenses would be just as terribad as an archer's (and yes, I'm aware that skills allow this to change for sins but sage spark also gives archers a massive boost in survivability if the archer is doing a true solo, if not a cleric using BB does the job or even normal IHs on a Demon archer works fine as long as the archer doesn't have crappy refines/shards). Go check the archer forums sometime, fists have serious use for PvE because they out-damage bows. All an archer has is their ability to DD, so it's quite practical to use fists as a primary weapon in PvE. As for what you said about PvP, nobody ever argued against that. In fact, it's been stated multiple times already that any archer that relies on fists for PvP in more than a situational manner is doing things horribly wrong.

Traz - Dreamweaver

truekossy wrote: »

... Waitwhat? Last I checked, one of the first to do Harpy on PWI had an archer tanking. So that survivability argument of yours just went right out the window. Also consider that sins roll LA as well, so their base defenses would be just as terribad as an archer's (and yes, I'm aware that skills allow this to change for sins but sage spark also gives archers a massive boost in survivability if the archer is doing a true solo, if not a cleric using BB does the job or even normal IHs on a Demon archer works fine as long as the archer doesn't have crappy refines/shards). Go check the archer forums sometime, fists have serious use for PvE because they out-damage bows. All an archer has is their ability to DD, so it's quite practical to use fists as a primary weapon in PvE. As for what you said about PvP, nobody ever argued against that. In fact, it's been stated multiple times already that any archer that relies on fists for PvP in more than a situational manner is doing things horribly wrong.

And we are saying a barb/bm would have done it even easier. People keep confusing with us saying they have lower survivability to "they can't do it" of course they can, but not as easy as we could. That means we have more room for error.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And we are saying a barb/bm would have done it even easier. People keep confusing with us saying they have lower survivability to "they can't do it" of course they can, but not as easy as we could. That means we have more room for error.

And less cashshopping/merchanting/farming needed. But, let's not forgot that if barb/BM wants to have 5 aps, they need to be demon. Archer and sin can be sage and have 25% damage reduction on. The difference is still there, but not as big as it would be if the archer/sin was demon too.

DrDrakkentre - Lost City

In PvE, sin deals more damage than archer AND gets 2% of that dmg back as hp, so in my opinion sin>archer. BM also rulesb:dirty

Traz - Dreamweaver

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

And less cashshopping/merchanting/farming needed. But, let's not forgot that if barb/BM wants to have 5 aps, they need to be demon. Archer and sin can be sage and have 25% damage reduction on. The difference is still there, but not as big as it would be if the archer/sin was demon too.

Sins can't be 5.0 sage with daggers, but if you got the 700m for the 200k rep more power to you for being a sage archer, otherwise hell with that b:laugh

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sins can't be 5.0 sage with daggers, but if you got the 700m for the 200k rep more power to you for being a sage archer, otherwise hell with that b:laugh

Since BMs can be 4 aps sage, archers should only need -0.05 on top of it. Or am I missing something here?

Traz - Dreamweaver

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Since BMs can be 4 aps sage, archers should only need -0.05 on top of it. Or am I missing something here?

You are correct for archers, but sins daggers are slower then the TT100 fists or decides so they can't get the extra -int needed. OMG if a sin could be sage 5.0 b:dirtyb:dirtyb:dirty

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

Sins can't be 5.0 sage with daggers, but if you got the 700m for the 200k rep more power to you for being a sage archer, otherwise hell with that

You don't need 700m... Get a tome + nirvana pants instead of rank 8, along with 99s/bonus & lunar robe.

Ursa - Dreamweaver

truekossy wrote: »

... Waitwhat? Last I checked, one of the first to do Harpy on PWI had an archer tanking. So that survivability argument of yours just went right out the window. Also consider that sins roll LA as well, so their base defenses would be just as terribad as an archer's (and yes, I'm aware that skills allow this to change for sins but sage spark also gives archers a massive boost in survivability if the archer is doing a true solo, if not a cleric using BB does the job or even normal IHs on a Demon archer works fine as long as the archer doesn't have crappy refines/shards). Go check the archer forums sometime, fists have serious use for PvE because they out-damage bows. All an archer has is their ability to DD, so it's quite practical to use fists as a primary weapon in PvE. As for what you said about PvP, nobody ever argued against that. In fact, it's been stated multiple times already that any archer that relies on fists for PvP in more than a situational manner is doing things horribly wrong.

when all your gear and ornaments are refined to+10 with +10 vit stones on 4 sockets I don't think any class could be squishy in PvE. Really. Add up Sage spark and an uber geared genie (I don't know if at that time he used the 94/100 LP genie) and you pretty much get the picture of a char that won the game on PvE side.
Now, let's go back to normal gear for normal ppl. +5-6 and G9(perfect) stones and we have a different story.

Ranfa - Dreamweaver

Egaenil - Heavens Tear wrote: »

b:angry fist in pve for archer isnt JUST for life, all seriouseness it beats bow by miles, over a period of 5mins, fist can do 2x even 3x the damage had you used bow

Why is it always about raw damage? I keep saying word practicality and for some reason people tie it to raw damage.

@truekossy

So by your definition, every Archers should have rank 8, 4 socketed TT99 + Nirvana, all +10 refined imbued with vit stones and +12 TT100 fists right? Dear me, I would never have guessed how much of a tank Archers can be.../sarcasm

Traz - Dreamweaver

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

You don't need 700m... Get a tome + nirvana pants instead of rank 8, along with 99s/bonus & lunar robe.

I was talking about a 5.0 sage archer.