Wizards vs Assasins...

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

adaptability, it's what filters out the pros from the noobs. If you cant find a way...any way to beat a new class, then I feel bad for you. Sure you may have played for almost 2 years, and maybe ur an uber pro, or whatever, but if you can't face off against a new class, and Q.Q about getting killed by 1 sin (probably more but you only gave 1 example) then I truely feel sorry for you wasting 2 years. Adaptability.....don't Q.Q and ragequit...just learn how to counter a sin. Hell, I have a character of every class at least 3x, and I pvp fine against sins, it just depends on how good they are (and ofc I now that 30-89/100 is way different, i'm just giving an example). I just think you're pissed because you aren't the most feared, 1 shot and kill everything you see class ever person anymore, with wizards amazingly high pdef after stone barrier (especially demons of 150%) and awesome mag dmg especially with BIDS lol...tell me, why did you first make a wiz?...maybe it looked cool etc....why did you lvl it to 100? eh?...cause you could perhaps own everything in sight?...well now, once another class comes around and can kill you as easily as you can other classes, you start to Q.Q because now you aren't at the top of the PWI food chain anymore. Instead of Q.Qing and making statements against the company that brought you (and all the private servers) pwi, maybe you could thank them for giving you an opponent that is even with you in terms of killing power. It is also a good time for you to learn some new tactics other than, Woosh hehe roflpwnedorz.....now you actually have to worry about another class. So to you Q.Qing failnub, gf b:cool

oh, wow. Just WOW...
the lvl 30 PvPer on three different classes is giving opinions about PvP balance.
Well ... this game isn't buried yet, but it's for sure brain dead ...
Dude, just stay out of topics concerning endgame PVP...or just read them and keep your opinion for yourself, cause they aren't worth a poo.
You have no idea about maxed stun/freeze/sleep skills, double/tripple sparks and maxed genie control skill. You hear stories and you have an opinion now?
WOW...
I assume you already have a pretty deep understanding of Sage/Demon paths and their advantages too.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Let me laugh. You can adapt just only if you have chance to adapt. If aliens landed on earth and attack us do you thing we could adapt? BS. They technical advantage would much over us. Same with assassin. Apparently you weren't killed assassin lv. 100+. There is no chance to survive regardless of magic class. You cannot adapt if difference is too high. Game is broken no doubt. As I was higher and higher level I has still less and less problem to own another classes till tideborn come out.
Also You cannot adapt if you cannot move or do anything. How you want to adapt? Give me some advice. Even GM didn't have any because none exist. If you are stunt you cannot use ANYTHING.

For one, learn to spell and use grammar, just because you are Q.Qing and regequitting doesn't give you the right to look like an idiot (oh wait..b:chuckle) If you are just immob, you can distance shrink...stun etc is different, refine your gear for more hp, get more defensive genie skills, apoth helps......DETECTION POTS!....>.>....89+10(max lvl walk)+20(max lvl clt) = 109....101+det pot = see teh fish >.< = bye bye fishy if you get a good nuke in first before the tele stun.

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

oh, wow. Just WOW...
the lvl 30 PvPer on three different classes is giving opinions about PvP balance.
Well ... this game isn't buried yet, but it's for sure brain dead ...
Dude, just stay out of topics concerning endgame PVP...or just read them and keep your opinion for yourself, cause they aren't worth a poo.
You have no idea about maxed stun/freeze/sleep skills, double/tripple sparks and maxed genie control skill. You hear stories and you have an opinion now?
WOW...
I assume you already have a pretty deep understanding of Sage/Demon paths and their advantages too.

For one, it is like astrohawke said, it's an open thread, for the whole community. I have a wizard (few builds of all classes) and sins. I may not have the xp to back up my input, but at least im not a ragequitting noob that doesnt have any skill whatsoever (mumin) The factual statements still stand as valid. Just because I don't have the xp to back it up, doesn't mean I don't know that there are a TON of VARIABLES that can determine the outcome of any given fight. Misses, crits, aoes while mobs are around, othe rplayers, battlefield setup, etc. And as for the sage/demon I have only considered one class's so far...the sins. I don't have the cash for -int gear, so demon is definately out of the way, but anywhoo I still researched in full the skills and how they work etc for both sage and demon sins, and either way i'd go sage, for the atk lvl bonus from cotd, and good +'s like 3% regan from bp instead of 2% increased duration time of DN, etc. You can't say I don't know stuff, when you obviously don't know the intelligence I have gathered on things. b:bye

TrueJustice - Harshlands wrote: »

For my wizard mates:
I like Force of Will + Dragon's Breath + Expel on myself. They will try to stop your DB but can't, when they enter stealth they immediately get kicked out and when they run after some seconds you just sleep and nuke them b:victory

Thanks for advice interesting.
I'm 5400 hp pure true.
Now so we need apothecary, genie skills to have chance to survive his attack. My question is. What special need assassin to survive our attack? Answer is NOTHING. See difference? This is not what I called balanced game no way.

TrueJustice - Harshlands wrote: »

Distance Shrink? They just follow with teleport stun.

And 1 detection potion for every fight with a sin? I'm not rich, they cost like 75k on my server... it requires tons of herbs for only 1 potion. b:surrender

Refine gears for more hp? Mumin has already 5400 hp which is much for wizards, assuming he is pure magic build.

More defensive genie skills? What is more defensive than expel/absolute domain?
Genie needs to recover hp after the first chain attack.
I can't even survive the first (double sparked) chain combo WITHOUT my genie.
Wrong genie equipped = no chance

You can't discuss with us because of your lack of experience.

Please tell me how to adapt without very expensive potions and high refinements or accept assassins have too many advantages.
Stop making fun of some good wizards here.

1. make the freaking pots then
2. even simple apoth powders work in that instance, like chaosand life powders...which are lvl 1 (req lvl 10)
3. I can discuss with you, despite my lack of xp, since I have the knowledge to back it up and then some.
4.Here's a very good wizard only defensive gebie abillity if you're able to get it on, before/after domain.

Aquaflame Armor Level 10
Genie lvl 83
SP ? (?)
Water 4 - Fire 4
Energy 95
Stamina 104
Instant
Cooldown 60 seconds
Requisite Class Wizard only

Combines the powers of Fire and Water into a chaotic shield.
Reduces the damage you take by 400% for 10 seconds,
then increases the damage you take by 40% for 10 seconds.

Dexterity: Every 8 Genie Dexterity points increases the damage reduction by 1%.
Dexterity: Every 8 Genie Dexterity points reduces the damage increase by 1%.

also like i said theres a **** load of variables that can help determine a fight's outcome...stay in a heavily populated area....squad you noob -.-.....stay by an npc and aoe if you get that cold chill, or aoe grind...the sin probably will just stay away from you at that point. And the biggest factor is.....anyone?......LUCK!!!!!

5.Maybe if your "good wizards" weren't such whiners and fail at adapting, I wouldn't have to make them look how they deserver. P.S. I'm not trying btw

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thanks for advice interesting.
I'm 5400 hp pure true.
Now so we need apothecary, genie skills to have chance to survive his attack. My question is. What special need assassin to survive our attack? Answer is NOTHING. See difference? This is not what I called balanced game no way.

Then leave ,it doesn't suit you so you whine about not being able to kill 1 class, 1....my god....

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

1. make the freaking pots then
2. even simple apoth powders work in that instance, like chaosand life powders...which are lvl 1 (req lvl 10)
3. I can discuss with you, despite my lack of xp, since I have the knowledge to back it up and then some.4.Here's a very good wizard only defensive gebie abillity if you're able to get it on, before/after domain.

....

So you think you can Use the Aquaflame armor, and still have enough energy to use domain? Yeah sure, you sure know your stuff... and then some.

Aquaflame Armor Level 10
Genie lvl 83
SP ? (?)
Water 4 - Fire 4
Energy 95
Stamina 104
Instant
Cooldown 60 seconds
Requisite Class Wizard only

Combines the powers of Fire and Water into a chaotic shield.
Reduces the damage you take by 400% for 10 seconds,
then increases the damage you take by 40% for 10 seconds.

Not a bad idea, but it reduces only damage, you are still in his stun-sleep-seal lock and after 10 seconds, you take 40% more damage xD wts 1shots

also like i said theres a **** load of variables that can help determine a fight's outcome...stay in a heavily populated area....squad you noob -.-

Me again


I thought we talk about 1on1 fights ^^ class vs class
When I stay in a popular pvp zone, I often have to deal with 2 assassins at the same time b:laugh

Stealth annoys me because they never give you a chance to start battle, staying invisible 99% of their time.
So afraid of dying and looking like a bad player.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Dont offer advice when you have no experiennce in the matter. With 22 kills to your name at lvl 95, you are classified as a carebear and therefore any pvp advice is useless. So now that that is out of the way.. You need a target to begin charging emberstorm, so you would need to know where the sin is, and have a target nearby to knock it out of stealth.. which is pretty damn tough to do, and eben if you do somehow knock a sin out of stealth with dumb luck.. you are still going to lose because of the bajillion control skills and ridiculous dps. Sins dont even need stealth to ****, its just one more thing to destroy us

Wow you went through all that effort to look up my kills because my suggestion had a very small % of being an outside the box idea.
Well, while you are investigating me like "joe the plumber" trying to find dirt on me thus creating and AD HOMINEN attack to reduce my opinions to be equal that of my PK kills, I am a 42 year old adult that plays this game in my spare time while being a father/business owner/husband. thankfully I have been around long enough to see PWI evolve from fetus to full fledged money maker and have scoured the forums observing the QQ and giving my own QQ. I would suggest if you ever enter the real world you could get a really good job as a democratic operative, i heard saul alinskys "rules for radicals" is the premier guide to attacking the person.

Im going to do you a favor a rephrase your response that may be helpful in the outside world...
"Are you talking duels or PK, because you do not seem to do alot of PK. In either case the spell will go off when they stealth while you are casting OR it is just possible that they move out of range on you all the time. As wizzy emberstorm is really never a viable option and knowing the amount of skills they have at this level you are screwed even if they appear, previous posts combining genies/apoths MAY work with your wacky suggestion, who really knows, not even I because i am not a game designer NOR am i all knowing..none of us here are. Lets face it, we have been supplanted as top predator on the PWI food chain"

FTFY

Responses like that is why i stopped my son from playing, took away his hot pockets and dr. pepper, turned off his music and told him to go outside and actually get some exercise and sunlight and read a book...productive things. I think he actually got a tan and lost some weight.

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

If you had a genie with 230(minimum) energy +, you could use both, and thus could give you an excellent chance to save your life. (My god, did I just give you guys a viable option Q.Q, run away!!!! Start stealthing now!)

pls show me 1ppl who got 230 energy XD also idk if u know but if its dont change then after x genie point for+1 stat need 2 point (example 1 vit is 2 point) so gl

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

let him be.
he knows poo
he pk's at lvl 30
1337

aww 490 kills at 100, how many of those were your classes op's 1 shots?....now that theres a class that can stand up to you, you feel you have to Q.Q about every little thing with that class to make your point seem valid, when you're just upset that you don't own every single class now. xD...how sad....how sad...and yes, I do pk at lvl 30, I have only gotten pked...3 times?....a stalker 8x sin...and a 100+ archer...2 times..wow...but 15/3...thats not a good lvl 30 record at all, i've defeated every class no matter the gear they had, and if i went back for seconds, they shouldve learned to stay in a safe zone. All the wizzies i've dueled, and the one I pked, never once Q.Q'ed, because they know stealth is a skill....but even then..they still never got a hit in with me 1-2 shotting them every time, if they would've hit me first, then I wouldve died probably. So please, before your head gets any bigger, try to get some skills b:victory woo ur lvl 100...woooo that makes you a pro?...i think not

Even if I was a lvl 105 sin, that had a 10x on every server, with so much xp that it made me sick, My points would still not be valid to you, because you are too thick skulled to see some good moves, and attempt to use them when you are given the opprotunity. wow...way to drop the ball there hun.

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

aww 490 kills at 100, how many of those were your classes op's 1 shots? [didnt read rest of the spam]

i am 1 of those b:cute

differ, its a pve server- not like everyone and his mom is in pk mode



Rated is another Yulk-type-user, only that yulki had some fun posts in the past

TrueJustice - Harshlands wrote: »

No -interval gears at lvl 89?
Wristguards, tt80 daggers, lvl 60 rank chest, maybe even -interval tome!

99% of level 89s won't have the tome and the majority won't even have the wrists from what I've seen on my server. Even with those gears, you're still looking at 2aps. A 101 wiz who has been playing for 2 years should have better equips than tt90 ffs. At least tt99 and with some garnet sharding and stone barrier they have defenses equivalent of HA users.

Then again, the situation you're talking about is purely PK. That means 2 things. Mum turn PvP off if you're going to QQ about being PKed. Secondly, had the situation been reversed, the wiz could have just as easily 1 or 2 shot the sin with basic spells before the sin could stealth or run away.

PK is only half of PvP and not even the more important half. Assassins still suck in TW but you don't seem to care about that.

I'll say what I said before in case some of you missed it:

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

My original point was that some classes are better at killing certain classes than others. Assassins happen to be good against squishies but not so good against heavy armor. That's what balance is. LA kills robes, robes kill heavies and heavies kill LA. It doesn't always have to be that every class can kill every other class.

YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO KILL SINS. At least not easily. That's the job left to BMs and Barbs. PK also means absolutely nothing. Most of you here can turn PK off. Those that can't are just as likely to be killed by someone 30 levels higher or someone who spend 100x as much in the cash shop. The end result is you're still going to die.

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

Lol, it's not the sin class, it's the user, If i was a wiz, I woulda stillkilled those people, cleric, also, bm, also...it isn't just the sin class, any account i pvp on I am good with, it's just being lucky, knowing your class and how to pvp with it, and being better than the other person.

Sins are OP and every moron can play them. b:shutup

Astrohawke - Lost City wrote: »

99% of level 89s won't have the tome and the majority won't even have the wrists from what I've seen on my server. Even with those gears, you're still looking at 2aps. A 101 wiz who has been playing for 2 years should have better equips than tt90 ffs. At least tt99 and with some garnet sharding and stone barrier they have defenses equivalent of HA users.

Then again, the situation you're talking about is purely PK. That means 2 things. Mum turn PvP off if you're going to QQ about being PKed. Secondly, had the situation been reversed, the wiz could have just as easily 1 or 2 shot the sin with basic spells before the sin could stealth or run away.

PK is only half of PvP and not even the more important half. Assassins still suck in TW but you don't seem to care about that.

I'll say what I said before in case some of you missed it:



YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO KILL SINS. At least not easily. That's the job left to BMs and Barbs. PK also means absolutely nothing. Most of you here can turn PK off. Those that can't are just as likely to be killed by someone 30 levels higher or someone who spend 100x as much in the cash shop. The end result is you're still going to die.

I wasn't in PK mode. It was in boring room cube. In PVE are some instances, where PK is allowed and you cannot choose if you will allow PK or not. Simply every1 can attack every1 there.
I had Very good gear. But your gear is for nothing if you cannot fight back. And 5400hp is gone in few seconds.

Rated_PG - Harshlands wrote: »

I have, and I have beaten sins, and I have also lost to them. With any account I make I have my wins/losses, but the fact still remains that in general low pvp or not, i'm good at pvp and I have the skills to take down other classes no matter what class i'm using.

sorry.. not buying it without any sort of proof.

I have 2 9x characters, you do not. Doesnt matter if I was the best person of either class, they would get ***** by a sin of equal lvl/gear no matter what I do.

I have proof/experiences, you have theories.

edit: not just me.. the other 9x-10X have had countless experiences with no solution. It isnt a matter of skill, it's the Assassin class that is broken. Provide a solution or gtfo with far-fetched theories.