Warsoul wonder

Michael_Dark - Lost City · July 2010

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

not too late to roll one.
Takes less than 3 weeks to get one to 100.
Then since u can farm stuff alone, money aren't a problem, same with gear.

I'm rolling a BM now, lol, u can roll a wiz. It won't kill u, I promise .

lol... it would kill me. I'm rolling a heavy veno on this account so I can share most of my end-game gear.

If I did roll a mage, I'd have to farm gear and refines from scratch, not sure I want to do that again. b:surrender

MrMime - Raging Tide · July 2010

Am I the only one that's jealous of the guy with Warsoul? You guys are such saints having no jealousy at all at this wicked weapon! Bless you mature people!!

VlLKASS - Sanctuary · July 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

lol... it would kill me. I'm rolling a heavy veno on this account so I can share most of my end-game gear.

If I did roll a mage, I'd have to farm gear and refines from scratch, not sure I want to do that again. b:surrender

Made an endgame barb, cleric & an archer
/facepalm b:sad HA AA & LA b:cry

The only stuff they can share is the lunar -int robe.. which just pwns on cleric... & the Lunar helm for barb/archer

Yulk - Heavens Tear · July 2010

michael dark, don't bother rolling a wizzie, you failed as a cleric. b:chuckle

Being a barb and bm is easy for both of us because we both are used to melee, being a veno is easy because they are OP
being an archer is ok with me now , idk about you. But thanks to Lesthar and sweet_kill, I made my hard archer days and not give up like you give up on clerics
Being a cleric isn't that hard, but way easier than being an archer. I hate to kite, but yeah, I am forced to.
Wizard is just the same.

Anyways, whoever relys on warsoul is for wimps with no skill Warsoul + jolly jones blessing = 80 attack levels.... b:spit . Why the hell the devs made these things to begin with?

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary · July 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

michael dark, don't bother rolling a wizzie, you failed as a cleric. b:chuckle

Being a barb and bm is easy for both of us because we both are used to melee, being a veno is easy because they are OP
being an archer is ok with me now , idk about you. But thanks to Lesthar and sweet_kill, I made my hard archer days and not give up like you give up on clerics
Being a cleric isn't that hard, but way easier than being an archer. I hate to kite, but yeah, I am forced to.
Wizard is just the same.

Anyways, whoever relys on warsoul is for wimps with no skill Warsoul + jolly jones blessing = 80 attack levels.... b:spit . Why the hell the devs made these things to begin with?

Yulk, please tell me how to be full of win like you? b:kiss

Yulk - Heavens Tear · July 2010

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yulk, please tell me how to be full of win like you? b:kiss

eh?

Its not about being win, its about playing the game without relying on OP stuff... and idk you. b:surrender

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary · July 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

eh?

Its not about being win, its about playing the game without relying on OP stuff... and idk you. b:surrender

I'm the president of Yulk Fanclub.

Yulk - Heavens Tear · July 2010

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm the president of Yulk Fanclub.

lol what?

Anyways, my messenger is back

, b:bye

Roin - Harshlands · July 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

+50 attack level = 50% more damage at best (less than that because of blessings probably).

Yes it's grade 16 and deals more damage and all, but that's not even double damage. I didn't know wizards hit 99% of the server with gush for half HP or more. That makes Sage BIDS worthless doesn't it, seeing as normal BIDS would one-shot 99% of the server already, according to you.

Well it's always interesting to see people scream about wizard damage when they have no idea. And when they see those uber high crits (which I'm sure, needed a precise debuffing combo) they think it just requires spamming 1 skill since they probably are used to face-roll auto-attack.

a lvl 100 wiz with a good wpn lets say rank 8 thats +11 can 1 shot most people on a server with a crit with a Ws they have another +50 attack lvl (and will have +12) so they have a extra +80 attack lvl with jones blessing now lets say a Sage bids crit with that wpn can do over 50k easy depending on the other players gear with jones i managed a 14k crit with my crappy gear on a 9x barb a 100x wiz with +12 warsoul can 1shot aloto f players with gush but not 99%

Aliella - Harshlands · July 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

michael dark, don't bother rolling a wizzie, you failed as a cleric. b:chuckle

Being a barb and bm is easy for both of us because we both are used to melee, being a veno is easy because they are OP

just to set the record straight if you kno how to kill a veno they are easy as hell when you try to kill them. without a nix venos arent that hard to kill.
b:bye think b4 u post?

TheBishSlap - Lost City · July 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

+50 attack level = 50% more damage at best (less than that because of blessings probably).

Yes it's grade 16 and deals more damage and all, but that's not even double damage. I didn't know wizards hit 99% of the server with gush for half HP or more. That makes Sage BIDS worthless doesn't it, seeing as normal BIDS would one-shot 99% of the server already, according to you.

Well it's always interesting to see people scream about wizard damage when they have no idea. And when they see those uber high crits (which I'm sure, needed a precise debuffing combo) they think it just requires spamming 1 skill since they probably are used to face-roll auto-attack.

ever been hit by ehee for 10k gush without undine as a full buffed magic class? yeah a wizard with a warsoul weapon wouldnt gush-shot everyoneb:chuckle

(btw ehee is an 8jun +12 mage in spectral)

Borsuc - Raging Tide · July 2010

NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »

Well, I'm sure if they had wizards with +12 grade 15 weapons, a gush would tick just about anybody on their server, save for barbs I suppose.

That wasn't the question actually. If a wizard can do that, a cleric can as well, a psychic even more so (black voodoo). An archer would be able to do similar.

And a sin would **** with that.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

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If I only knew when I started playing the game how broken mages were at endgame, I'd be a 102 wizard now. b:surrender

I won't bother to explain to you how it works because you obviously deny facts. Of course, you don't even consider the facts, you just consider your experiences. Maybe it's the other way around, have you thought of that? Maybe it's because most people suck at defense and prefer to refine their weapons? Or maybe your magical resistance sucks?

For one, since you are a moron, if you take Gush into account, a psychic would hit more with Aqua Impact or Spirit Blast, due to Black Voodoo. Just because you have your crappy experiences with overgeared wizards doesn't mean ****. All I see is you QQing about it when we both know wizards don't have even remotely close to good DPS.

You do realize that, if gush would hit you that high, that a sin would hit maybe 5 times more in 3 seconds right?

Of course gush is ranged attack, but you are a moron if you think that gush does more damage than, for example, cleric's cyclone, which is identical AND clerics wear same weapons as wizards do. So a cleric would be such a one-shotter too? Why complain about wizzies then instead of magic classes in general?

As usual you spew nonsense without even knowing game mechanics -- nonsense that comes from you being butthurt for being rolled by a cashshopper wizzie. Of course a cashshopper wizzie is gonna hit hard... but other classes are better for a cashshopper.

For example, if gush hits half your HP, then Sage BIDS is worthless -- BIDS would 1-shot you anyway. Somehow I think it's not the wizard being too powerful here, it's the target who sucks.

On the other hand, nien event contrib speaks for itself as far as damage of classes is concerned.

But then again that's probably why the dude even got warsoul for his sin. He's probably way smarter than you are and knows where to properly invest his money.

Do you know the heaviest cashshopper in our server? Full interval perfect set (at least +10 armor), +12 nirvana weapon... You know what class he picked? I'll tell you it's not wizzie. It's one that wears daggers. Seriously except for warsoul, this guy has perfect gear.

But you continue say nonsense like wizards are broken with Gush, when it's the same as cleric cyclone or worse than psychics in damage (who have black voodoo) of similar spells. I'm pretty sure QQing over damage dealt is more constructive for you than actual math formulas.

Because apparently for people like you, just because wizards are a DD class, they "must" hit high with gush right? Higher than clerics for example, even though the basic skills are identical and a braindead person would be able to know that looking at the descriptions.

I mean after all, you believe a wizard hits high, he must hit higher magically, right?

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

If I did roll a mage, I'd have to farm gear and refines from scratch, not sure I want to do that again. b:surrender

Huh? I thought farming gear and working hard is supposed to be fun is it not? I can't count how many times you said you like it that way b:chuckle

Kupuntu - Sanctuary · July 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

I won't bother to explain to you how it works because you obviously deny facts. Of course, you don't even consider the facts, you just consider your experiences. Maybe it's the other way around, have you thought of that? Maybe it's because most people suck at defense and prefer to refine their weapons? Or maybe your magical resistance sucks?

For one, since you are a moron, if you take Gush into account, a psychic would hit more with Aqua Impact or Spirit Blast, due to Black Voodoo. Just because you have your crappy experiences with overgeared wizards doesn't mean ****. All I see is you QQing about it when we both know wizards don't have even remotely close to good DPS.

You do realize that, if gush would hit you that high, that a sin would hit maybe 5 times more in 3 seconds right?

Of course gush is ranged attack, but you are a moron if you think that gush does more damage than, for example, cleric's cyclone, which is identical AND clerics wear same weapons as wizards do. So a cleric would be such a one-shotter too? Why complain about wizzies then instead of magic classes in general?

As usual you spew nonsense without even knowing game mechanics -- nonsense that comes from you being butthurt for being rolled by a cashshopper wizzie. Of course a cashshopper wizzie is gonna hit hard... but other classes are better for a cashshopper.

For example, if gush hits half your HP, then Sage BIDS is worthless -- BIDS would 1-shot you anyway. Somehow I think it's not the wizard being too powerful here, it's the target who sucks.

On the other hand, nien event contrib speaks for itself as far as damage of classes is concerned.

But then again that's probably why the dude even got warsoul for his sin. He's probably way smarter than you are and knows where to properly invest his money.

Do you know the heaviest cashshopper in our server? Full interval perfect set (at least +10 armor), +12 nirvana weapon... You know what class he picked? I'll tell you it's not wizzie. It's one that wears daggers. Seriously except for warsoul, this guy has perfect gear.

But you continue say nonsense like wizards are broken with Gush, when it's the same as cleric cyclone or worse than psychics in damage (who have black voodoo) of similar spells. I'm pretty sure QQing over damage dealt is more constructive for you than actual math formulas.

Because apparently for people like you, just because wizards are a DD class, they "must" hit high with gush right? Higher than clerics for example, even though the basic skills are identical and a braindead person would be able to know that looking at the descriptions.

I mean after all, you believe a wizard hits high, he must hit higher magically, right.

Apart from the heavy QQ about his knowledge on the game and how mages suck end-game, your post had almost nothing to say. However, mages are feared way more than clerics and psy's for a reason. The simple fact is that there aren't that many OP-geared clerics or psy's on LC. Why would you QQ about something that doesn't even exist?

Borsuc - Raging Tide · July 2010

Exactly my point! I was talking about the class, the mechanics of how it works, etc... not the people.

On the same note, someone who says that sins are overpowered simply because of that dude on our server, with no other data to back it up, has zero relevance to the class at hand.

Basing class balance on players you encounter is moronic. Just because you encountered one player with GM cape doesn't mean that class is invincible.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary · July 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Exactly my point! I was talking about the class, the mechanics of how it works, etc... not the people.

On the same note, someone who says that sins are overpowered simply because of that dude on our server, with no other data to back it up, has zero relevance to the class at hand.

Basing class balance on players you encounter is moronic. Just because you encountered one player with GM cape doesn't mean that class is invincible.

GM cape doesn't count. 5 aps claws do though. If fist-type weapons were limited to BMs, then the BM class itself would be OP. Currently the new "5 aps claw-class" is OP.

Borsuc - Raging Tide · July 2010

Huh? Don't you see the logic there going in the wrong direction? It's not the class, it's the claws in this case. Even though it isn't even that, it's the interval system actually. Since sins can get 5aps with daggers as well. (basically any fast weapon)

Again, you're looking at the wrong solution to a problem. The OPness here is not the class.

For example, if psychic soulspheres did 5 times as much damage as other magic weapons, would you say psychics are OP, or the weapons? What would you fix if you knew that psychics are OP? Weapons, or the skills or w/e?

Again, you're looking at the wrong problem.

Olivassin - Heavens Tear · July 2010

NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yes people have them. They get a lot of great use, including a blue named assassin on a PvE server.

I saw her* yesterday in red PK
She* is only smart, and don't want to go PK until she wasn't fully geared

now warsoul is +12 with 2 drakeflames, and all gear is +10 per average with all sockets filled with stone of the savant [+10 vit]

oh! and rank8 armor! [has 2.22 aps at least, without spark]

i must say, she is invencible in 1vs1 [if not, almost!]

*i tell she as his/her character is female, idk him/her irl.

edit: and they say she got all that money by merchanting, yeah, sure <.<

Kupuntu - Sanctuary · July 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Huh? Don't you see the logic there going in the wrong direction? It's not the class, it's the claws in this case. Even though it isn't even that, it's the interval system actually. Since sins can get 5aps with daggers as well. (basically any fast weapon)

Again, you're looking at the wrong solution to a problem. The OPness here is not the class.

For example, if psychic soulspheres did 5 times as much damage as other magic weapons, would you say psychics are OP, or the weapons? What would you fix if you knew that psychics are OP? Weapons, or the skills or w/e?

Again, you're looking at the wrong problem.

My wording "5 aps claw-class" was maybe a bit off. By that I meant that 5 aps claws are OP. The word 'class' in this case means all people who use claws. And yes, I should have included daggers there as well.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · July 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Exactly my point! I was talking about the class, the mechanics of how it works, etc... not the people.

You are an idiot. We were talking about wizards with warsoul weapons... not poorly geared wizards with **** gear like you who don't have a clue what their class is capable of doing in skilled hands. Certainly we weren't talking about basic mechanics. Fool. You don't even have your 90 green yet, you don't have any idea of what even a decently geared mage can do let alone an end-game cash shop wizard with +12 anything. Go away now, you're as thick as a boulder and about as smart as one too.

b:bye

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

Huh? I thought farming gear and working hard is supposed to be fun is it not? I can't count how many times you said you like it that way b:chuckle

My alt probably has better gear than your main. I don't want to farm end-game gears and refines again... is that so hard a concept for you to grasp? Well that's kind of a stupid question, because you don't have any idea... I can farm 80 gold, I can farm 90 green sets all day. Farming another set of 99 gold and another lunar weapon is something I don't want to do. I've already done all that before, have you? Of course not, you're lazy and stupid. I'm still farming my Nirvana fists. I've done over 500 Nirvana runs... how much farming have you ever done? You're pathetic.

Ignathas - Sanctuary · July 2010

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

Q :

A :

Regicide does:

LOL b:laugh

NightRage - Raging Tide · July 2010

Olivassin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I saw her* yesterday in red PK
She* is only smart, and don't want to go PK until she wasn't fully geared

now warsoul is +12 with 2 drakeflames, and all gear is +10 per average with all sockets filled with stone of the savant [+10 vit]

oh! and rank8 armor! [has 2.22 aps at least, without spark]

i must say, she is invencible in 1vs1 [if not, almost!]

*i tell she as his/her character is female, idk him/her irl.

edit: and they say she got all that money by merchanting, yeah, sure <.<

If she has any intelligence whatsoever, and she is rank 8, then I know she should have more than 2.22. Probably at least 3.33 or 4.00. If not, then she obviously isn't as smart as some make her out to be.

And she damn better well be invincible in 1v1. That's all assassins are good for really. If I spent over $10,000 dollars on something on a video game, I'd want to be king at whatever it is.

kenlee · July 2010

@Michael_dark

aside from all the qq he has point there. all the other magic classes have similar skills like wizards except their 59 skill. from the top of my head i can count 2 clerics on HL that have rank 8. they hit hard? hell yea they hit damn hard with any skill, especially tempest. sleep, debuff, purify... whatever.

Ursa - Dreamweaver · July 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

That wasn't the question actually. If a wizard can do that, a cleric can as well, ......

Dude....no. Really. NO. I'm playing both 100 wizard and 100 cleric with exactly the same gear (cleric has slightly better shards and refines on bound gear). Damage cannot be compared in any shape or form.

..... An archer would be able to do similar.

wishful thinking? An archer will never do the same DPH as a wizard.

And a sin would **** with that.

that class is a cash shop toy. I think they imported it from another game...

For one, since you are a moron, if you take Gush into account, a psychic would hit more with Aqua Impact or Spirit Blast, due to Black Voodoo.

That IF he can hit. A max dex genie with Bramble will 1 shot the Psy before he even channels the damn thing. Black voodoo is for grind. Use it in PvP or TW and you die before the cast animation is over.

Just because you have your crappy experiences with overgeared wizards doesn't mean ****. All I see is you QQing about it when we both know wizards don't have even remotely close to good DPS.

are u on crack? the whole discussion was around DPH not DPS moron.

You do realize that, if gush would hit you that high, that a sin would hit maybe 5 times more in 3 seconds right?

Nope. There are ways to fend off a sin attacking you(genie skills). There are basically no ways of escaping a wizard hitting you from over 30m (Domain maybe, if you're not lagging. But that will just give the wizard time to channel a MS while you're in domain. So you're dead either way.

Of course gush is ranged attack, but you are a moron if you think that gush does more damage than, for example, cleric's cyclone, which is identical AND clerics wear same weapons as wizards do. So a cleric would be such a one-shotter too? Why complain about wizzies then instead of magic classes in general?

cause you're a moron an have no idea what you're talking about.
No, cyclone doesn't hit as hard as a gush. I know numbers on ecatomb might fool you, but that's too bad for you. My wizard's sage gush hits about 2-2.5k more on a mob than my cleric's cyclone. And I can do it from 30m. cleric can do it from 28.5. I have gush/pyro to spam on 2 elements, cleric's Plume shot only hurts nubs like you. Endgame with the gear currently available plume shot isn't a factor.

As usual you spew nonsense without even knowing game mechanics -- nonsense that comes from you being butthurt for being rolled by a cashshopper wizzie. Of course a cashshopper wizzie is gonna hit hard... but other classes are better for a cashshopper.

other classes are good 1v1 in the best case scenario. TW or group PVP wizard is the king. If you don't kill the other squad or faction 's wizard/s you're fked. Of course, u don't know that and I don't expect you to understand it in any shape or form.

For example, if gush hits half your HP, then Sage BIDS is worthless -- BIDS would 1-shot you anyway. Somehow I think it's not the wizard being too powerful here, it's the target who sucks.

you must be on some pretty nasty crack....mixed with flour or fiberglass or something... Wizard's skills are designed to do just that: **** HA and LA. You can have the best possible gear as LA/HA. A wizard with a +12 rank 13 or more weapon will drop you in one shot. That's the F....>ING game mechanic you called upon (and obviously don't understand)

On the other hand, nien event contrib speaks for itself as far as damage of classes is concerned.

PVE damage dumbass

Because apparently for people like you, just because wizards are a DD class, they "must" hit high with gush right? Higher than clerics for example, even though the basic skills are identical and a braindead person would be able to know that looking at the descriptions.

newsflash: they do!

Asperitas - Lost City · July 2010

Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »

+50 attack level = 50% more damage at best (less than that because of blessings probably).

Yes it's grade 16 and deals more damage and all, but that's not even double damage. I didn't know wizards hit 99% of the server with gush for half HP or more. That makes Sage BIDS worthless doesn't it, seeing as normal BIDS would one-shot 99% of the server already, according to you.

Well it's always interesting to see people scream about wizard damage when they have no idea. And when they see those uber high crits (which I'm sure, needed a precise debuffing combo) they think it just requires spamming 1 skill since they probably are used to face-roll auto-attack.

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/llamapi3/80K.jpg
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http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/llamapi3/61K.jpg
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Dated, but shows something nonetheless. So now imagine that + a lot more (rank 8, nirvana, +12) + another 50 attack levels. Personally, I don't really want to think about it.

Daggster - Lost City · July 2010

thx for posting that Ursa ... so i didn't have to type that muchb:thanks

Scoreboard:
Ursa +11
Borsuc(the troll that seems to have no idea of anything, no wonder he plays on a PvE server ...) 0

Badazmofo - Dreamweaver · July 2010

lol all i can say is Borsuc just play possum lol they are haveing to much fun beating you to death

LordPangu - Harshlands · July 2010

OP Clerics are OP, OP Wizards are OP. But a Cleric will never be able to do the destruction a Wizard would do with the same weapon... .

Ursa - Dreamweaver · July 2010

OFF TOPIC

true, I'm playing two 11k+ mag attk wizard and cleric. There is just no comparison. In PvP cleric has more control skills and the ability to heal, so 1v1 it's easier to handle it. Cleric kills with timed debuff/freeze/sleep spark+hits.
Wizard has the defense, kite and huge DPH. Doesn't have the native survival of the cleric but has to be played on his strengts: Sutra/Ulti/ high DPH skills. Multi Elemental AoEs with crit/stun bonus. Cleric just can't compete with that.
In PvE, damage wise wizard wins hands down, just because on 80% of the elements we have advantage over cleric (on earth mobs should be a close call, but it isn't because Plume can't hit as much as Pyro in PvE).
This is comparing apples with oranges. Sure, they're mainly round...but similarities kinda' stop there.

/10char

kenlee · July 2010

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, cyclone doesn't hit as hard as a gush. I know numbers on ecatomb might fool you, but that's too bad for you. My wizard's sage gush hits about 2-2.5k more on a mob than my cleric's cyclone. And I can do it from 30m. cleric can do it from 28.5.

unless you show me real tests i wont buy that either

lets say you are sage wiz and a sage cleric. both have 25% from mastery and they both have same magic attack with same gear (veno has less qq) and point stats (pure mag probably)

cyclone (1.0chan + 1.0cast + 3.0CD) - 100% of weapon damage plus 3380
gush (1.0chan + 1.0cast + 3.0CD + 2m range) - 100% weapon damage plus 3390

then why are you hitting for a lot more? sure, elemental seal isnt that great as undine strike if you count that but come on... am i missing something?

Ursa - Dreamweaver · July 2010

yup, you're missing a 1st person experience.

and no, I'm not going to bother doing the test and posting numbers. It's easy to figure out if you know how to properly build the classes endgame. It's hard to believe looking at raw math, but like i've said, I'm playing them both, and I can see the dif.

Warsoul wonder

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