Warsoul wonder

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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    lol 1st person experience... ill try some day to get my cleric to the same lvl as my wiz and ill see for myself coz it seems like you cant provide solid proof
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    can't =/= don't care enough to do it.
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    nvm, you are the mage that succeeded this with your dex
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    %
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=265e53abafcc67d8 (my curent build - well except a few refines for HP)
  • Sheswes - Heavens Tear
    Sheswes - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,216 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I don't play HT server any more, nor do I care enough to go researching the PK status of certain individuals. lol
    at least read the "cube guide"
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I do know one thing, I know far more about end game pvp and TW than you do. End-game wizards not OP in TW?

    Ehee = 1, 2, tab, 1, 2, tab, 1, 2, tab 1, 2, 4
    Elayne = 2, 4, tab, 2, 4, tab, 2, 4, tab, 2 , 4, F1

    Two end-game mages, one Rank 8, the other with +11 nirvana That's basically all they do to kill in tw. Give them +12 Warsoul and it would look like:

    Ehee = 1, tab, 2, tab, 1, tab 2, tab 1, tab, 2, tab, 4
    Elayne = 2, tab, 4, tab, 2 ,tab, 4, tab 2, tab, 4, tab, f1

    Don't even pretend you know what it's like to be a well geared mage at end game... you're neither. Nor do you know what it's like to be the one facing the hits. idiot.




    Exaggerating? Admitted keystrokes needed to kill most people in TW by two of the best geared mages on Lost City. That's what their routine is. Yes, they kill end-game 10x players with amazing gear that fast. b:bye




    Yeah, there's only 1 person in TW that I can expect that i'll die 10-20 times or more to. Sins... are a joke. Archers hit pretty hard, but mages own TW.

    Tsungfai vs Ehee..

    Tsung: 1, 2, tab.... eeee there is nothing more b:chuckle
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    then why are you hitting for a lot more? sure, elemental seal isnt that great as undine strike if you count that but come on... am i missing something?

    Probably because most mages are pure int and most eps are vit build...

    But Kelbin has one shot me with un-debuffed weild thunder... I have 10k hp and higher than average mdef and he can one-shot me with his +11 CV wand. b:cry

    Sheswes - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Tsungfai vs Ehee..

    Tsung: 1, 2, tab.... eeee there is nothing more b:chuckle

    Ehee is +12 8jun. I think whoever gets the attack off first wins.
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    You are an idiot. We were talking about wizards with warsoul weapons... not poorly geared wizards with **** gear like you who don't have a clue what their class is capable of doing in skilled hands. Certainly we weren't talking about basic mechanics. Fool. You don't even have your 90 green yet, you don't have any idea of what even a decently geared mage can do let alone an end-game cash shop wizard with +12 anything. Go away now, you're as thick as a boulder and about as smart as one too.
    Was there ANY point whatsoever in this part? Let me tell you something. Suppose you are a researcher, and have to come up with a report and analysis.

    You think you are important or something? And that what you say is true regardless of facts? I don't give a **** what you say wizards hit or anything. Unless you provide hard cold facts, analysis or whatever, your words are as empty as someone saying ANYTHING else whatsoever.

    And don't give me a barb with **** elemental resistances getting hit by a wizard crit either. Who's fault is it that the resistances suck?

    Let me tell you something. You do realize a wizard, with no chi, can cast maybe 4-5 gush/pyros in 10 seconds right? Since almost all classes with uber weapons can break through charms without chi, why shouldn't wizards? If you think gush hitting you for 1/4 of your health is "normal", that's at the EDGE. You will barely kill someone before his charm is recharged this way. It's BAD, not "GOOD".

    You people just do not realize how much time it takes for us to land those hits. You may think 3 seconds is not much, but you have absolutely no idea what an archer or a sin can do in that time.

    Just because you have **** reflexes and respond to an attack in a 5 second delay doesn't mean ****.

    @Ursa: When I was comparing wizards with other classes (like archers) I was talking about how fast one could kill someone else. A gush hitting 1/2 of health is not as high as you think it is. It would take 3-4 seconds to finish someone. Compare that to an equally geared archer that gets almost 2 times as much contrib from the event and you'll see which one will drop FASTER.

    Also there is NO reason for your gush to hit harder than a cleric's cyclone. Except, you know, the target's resistances? Your buffs? Debuffs on target?

    Point is, an archer with warsoul, for example, would kill the target before wizzie can get second gush/pyro off.

    And furthermore, suppose you have 20k magic attack unbuffed. Suppose Gush adds another 3k via 100% weapon damage (took 500 mag, which is 600% base magic attack, and divided 700% from gush total to 600% to get increase).

    So you do around 26k (gush has constant also). With sage masteries that's 32.5k.

    In PvP that would be 8.1k with no resistances. Add warsoul attack increase & jones and you get 80% more, which is 14.5k.

    That's not taking any resistances into account. How the **** would this wizard one-shot an equal geared player (+12 armor) with Gush if a resistance of 50% (which is LOW) will make him do 7.25k?

    If you have that low hp and **** resistances against a +12 warsoul guy, you DESERVE to be one-shotted as much as a 3X against a 9X is one-shotted, period. Unless you call lvl9x wizards one-shotting lvl3xs "OP"?

    However such a wizard would not be strong against an equally geared opponent, while a sin would ****.
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    My alt probably has better gear than your main.
    Holy **** listen to this guy, his epeenor is huge cause he has good gear! And that makes the contradicting facts true also!

    Just asking, what point did this have?
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't want to farm end-game gears and refines again...
    Ok so we get to the "point".

    You used to say: "This game is too easy as it is, people should learn to work harder towards their long-term goals and accomplishments"

    In a game, the point is to enjoy and have fun, obviously. Therefore, I can conclude the above statement is what you encourage because, well, you must have found it fun right?

    So why you don't want to farm them again? Isn't that the fun of the game that you so encourage?

    I was sarcastic btw. I know you are a hypocrite who did farm his stuff and now wants everyone else to get through that phase "the hard way" just because you had to -- not because it's fun or you consider it fun. no, you see, it's like those people who go through something, finish it, then spew **** out of their mouths like good it was and rewarding when they wouldn't do it again to prove a point.

    If you encourage something, be prepared to prove your point by doing it AGAIN. Otherwise you've basically admitted it's not something you would like to do.
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    dude, your math may be accurate if you look on ecatomb.
    But ingame, that math is just ****.
    Don't believe me? look at the LLama's damage PS. Ofc, there is more there than a simple crit on a hit, but try to do your math to come up with a +100k hit on a barb in PvP. Consider 0 resists, I don't mind. You need to come out with +400k dmg from all the possible amps and stuff. Please do that using ecatomb data. good luck!

    One thing I learned in this game a long while ago: math works with lvl 1 mobs in the city. When PvP is involved, everything gets F up.
    So yeah, ppl talking about 1 shots here and there aren't idiots, they speak from experience. The idiots are the ones trying to prove mathematically that it didn't happened.
    I remember a while back a +8 rank8 wizard constantly non crit 1 shotting a 11k HP full buffed 95+ BM with Stone Rain. It drove him crazy , he couldn't do anything about it. Prove that with math based on ecatomb and pulled out of **** formulas , see how easy it is.
    You still have a lot to learn about this game. Acting like you know it all cause u figured out a few things is just wrong. And it's not the first time, and not only me calling you out for being a moron. You should probably calm down and try to figure out what's wrong. When a few ppl tell you you're wrong, maybe the problem is you and not them ...
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    You think you are important or something? And that what you say is true regardless of facts? I don't give a **** what you say wizards hit or anything. Unless you provide hard cold facts, analysis or whatever, your words are as empty as someone saying ANYTHING else whatsoever.
    Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »
    http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/llamapi3/80K.jpg
    http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/llamapi3/113K.jpg
    http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/llamapi3/61K.jpg
    http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb222/llamapi3/88k.jpg

    Dated, but shows something nonetheless. So now imagine that + a lot more (rank 8, nirvana, +12) + another 50 attack levels. Personally, I don't really want to think about it.

    There's some proof for you, and that's OLD... Llama isn't even nearly as well geared then as Ehee or Elayne is now. That's an 80k PvP hit on a very well geared barb. His alt is a 5aps +10 BM, just to tell you how well his characters are geared.

    Let me tell you something. You do realize a wizard, with no chi, can cast maybe 4-5 gush/pyros in 10 seconds right?

    That's 4 or 5 kills in 10 seconds with a +11 or +12 weapon, not even Warsoul. With Warsoul that would most likely be 8-10 kills in 10 seconds with just pyro/gush combo.

    You're an idiot.
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Just asking, what point did this have?

    My point was that you're a horrible mage with **** gear and you don't have a clue of what a well geared mage does at end-game.
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  • Asheera - Raging Tide
    Asheera - Raging Tide Posts: 830 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Was that 80k damage from a GUSH or a BIDS or something else? O.o

    Also any HF or other debuffs on target or triple spark lol. Cuz it seems a bit insane to just do 80k with a Gush on every hit like that, somehow hard to believe lmao
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    LaTrappe pure int ep with +11 Nirvana magic sword just plume one-shot a well geared, fully buffed ep for 12k crit, non-amped, non-sparked... b:bye
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Probably because most mages are pure int and most eps are vit build...
    at least someone is thinking. yes, most tw oriented ep's will up some vit too, you're not a wiz lol
    and you dont see atk charms, atk blessings, frenzy, extreme poison on all ep's

    @ursa
    there is weapon damage range involved but even with that i managed to get some math right on my veno and now i believe that this game doesnt run on random or hidden random.

    wiz also get skills like frenzy, extreme poison, atk lvl blessings, goes pure int, +magic atk charms, also debuffs are the most important. plus i know plenty of barbs/bm with 3k magic resist and they wonder why they get 1 shot rofl. so far you told us about others wiz experience, whats yours? i can score that 500 pvp points in probably max 10 tw's (hard to believe ppl pvp on pve servers) with a wiz just spamming single target skills. i dont even focus on DD in TW, i just assist (debuffing) some op archers and somehow i manage to get around 20 per tw with my vit build veno
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    12k crit you think is much? That's a 6k hit on a robe. Probably in 3 seconds.

    6k in 3 seconds with +11 NIRVANA weapon is a LOT to you? Seriously?
    Why does the Nien event tell otherwise?
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    That's 4 or 5 kills in 10 seconds with a +11 or +12 weapon, not even Warsoul. With Warsoul that would most likely be 8-10 kills in 10 seconds with just pyro/gush combo.
    How can you get 8-10 kills in 10 seconds since you are casting less spells than that and non-AOE as well? b:chuckle

    If you didn't know, Gush has 3 second cooldown, nothing you can do about it.
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    You're an idiot.
    ^make some sense as above. I know you are exagerating but it's this very exaggeration that is actually making you nonsensical. You stretch things far too high and then think it's like "omg" when you don't realize the time-frame for those hits and how long it takes.
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    My point was that you're a horrible mage with **** gear and you don't have a clue of what a well geared mage does at end-game.
    I get a feeling you're just the type of guy who gets hit by a mage, takes 3 seconds to realize what happened, then gets 2nd hit and almost dies.

    It's your crappy reflexes, because an archer would kill you faster than a mage (assuming equal resistances, ofc you're a BM so unless you use marrow I'm sure you have more pdef). So saying that a MAGE can kill you fast before you reaching him and that makes wizards OP is nonsense because all magic classes have same basic skills (which are most damaging in DPS, to kill fast before you reach), and an ARCHER would kill you FASTER.

    So QQ about archers then? Oh maybe you are biased because you only take BARBS and BMS which have **** elemental resistances (unless they are smart enough to +12 their elemental ornaments and use +defense shards instead of HP).

    A sin kills 3-8 times faster than a mage (depends on gear). And yes they have teleport stun and stuff, don't need to run to target. So either it is YOUR magical resistances who suck (hey, you're a BM, or for barbs, they are SUPPOSED to be hit hard by mages... you know rock-paper-scissors and all that), or it is your physical defense that is too high.

    Because, that would make a 5aps sin totally kill anything in 3 seconds. Oh wait, they already do that. b:surrender
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    kenlee wrote: »
    at least someone is thinking. yes, most tw oriented ep's will up some vit too, you're not a wiz lol
    and you dont see atk charms, atk blessings, frenzy, extreme poison on all ep's

    @ursa
    there is weapon damage range involved but even with that i managed to get some math right on my veno and now i believe that this game doesnt run on random or hidden random.

    wiz also get skills like frenzy, extreme poison, atk lvl blessings, goes pure int, +magic atk charms, also debuffs are the most important. plus i know plenty of barbs/bm with 3k magic resist and they wonder why they get 1 shot rofl. so far you told us about others wiz experience, whats yours? i can score that 500 pvp points in probably max 10 tw's (hard to believe ppl pvp on pve servers) with a wiz just spamming single target skills. i dont even focus on DD in TW, i just assist (debuffing) some op archers and somehow i manage to get around 20 per tw with my vit build veno

    haven't been in a serious TW in 8 months maybe, so those 500 kills were made before I was lvl 100. Unfortunately, at that time most of the TWs, with a few exception, were between 8 and 20 minutes. Not a lot of time to kill a lot of ppl especially when you're between lvl 70-90 (and the average lvl of the other faction TW population is 90+. ... A 5-6 big 2-3 hrs TWs I got after I got the +10 neon are making probably the most of those kills. How many I killed? enough to have a dedicated squad to hunt me down.
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  • Ehee - Lost City
    Ehee - Lost City Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I do know one thing, I know far more about end game pvp and TW than you do. End-game wizards not OP in TW?

    Ehee = 1, 2, tab, 1, 2, tab, 1, 2, tab 1, 2, 4
    Elayne = 2, 4, tab, 2, 4, tab, 2, 4, tab, 2 , 4, F1

    Two end-game mages, one Rank 8, the other with +11 nirvana That's basically all they do to kill in tw. Give them +12 Warsoul and it would look like:

    TRUE STORY.

    (btw undine is on 3 and rarely used)

    b:byeb:byeb:bye
    me gush you.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    12k crit you think is much? That's a 6k hit on a robe. Probably in 3 seconds.

    That's PLUME SHOT you idiot.
    How can you get 8-10 kills in 10 seconds since you are casting less spells than that and non-AOE as well? b:chuckle

    If you didn't know, Gush has 3 second cooldown, nothing you can do about it.

    Ehee and Elayne can kill as fast as they can spam Gush/Pyro.
    It's your crappy reflexes, because an archer would kill you faster than a mage

    Wrong. You're an idiot.

    Ehee - Lost City wrote: »
    TRUE STORY.

    (btw undine is on 3 and rarely used)

    Borsuc, meet the devil ^^^

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  • Chillum - Dreamweaver
    Chillum - Dreamweaver Posts: 887 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Borsuc, meet the devil ^^^

    b:cryb:cryb:cry

    How many of Ehee's 4,281 kills are you Michael? b:mischievous

    Edit: would only be 1 as it only counts unique kills wouldn't it?
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Chillum - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    How many of Ehee's 4,281 kills are you Michael? b:mischievous

    Edit: would only be 1 as it only counts unique kills wouldn't it?

    In just 1 3hr tw, I've probably received the "You've been killed by Ehee" like... 15-25 times. b:surrender b:cry

    And that's not even being focused... usually takes him 2-3 hits to kill me though. b:cry
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    That's PLUME SHOT you idiot.
    ???

    What else did you expect from 3 seconds?

    And weren't we talking about Gush?

    Demon Plume Shot
    Focus your psychic energy to form sharp quill arrows to attack the enemy.
    Inflicts physical damage equal to your base magic attack plus 100%
    of weapon damage plus 3390.0.

    Sage Gush
    Force a powerful Water column to spew up from the ground causing enemies
    to suffer Water damage equal to base magic damage plus 100% of
    weapon damage plus 3390.0.

    You're right, plume shot is so weak. 3390 < 3390 i mean, and 100% < 100%

    Except that Gush has a mastery, but that's negated from the weak pdef of a cleric (target) so moot point.

    Even worse, plume shot was used against a robe target (and not wizard with stone barrier), and yet you brag about it doing high damage when it was an ideal scenario?

    So I repeat, wizards hit you higher than archers because your mdef sucks, not because they do more damage. Wanna see who hits more, a wizard or an archer, against a cleric w/o plume shell ofc? b:bye
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Ehee and Elayne can kill as fast as they can spam Gush/Pyro.
    poohxbearx can kill 4 melee people attacking him in 2 seconds (2-3 hits per person with 5aps) b:bye
  • Sheswes - Heavens Tear
    Sheswes - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,216 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    some1 put a SS here with ehee's stats using eye of observation plz... wanna compare it with tsung's statsb:cute
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    So I repeat, wizards hit you higher than archers because your mdef sucks, not because they do more damage. Wanna see who hits more, a wizard or an archer, against a cleric w/o plume shell ofc? b:bye

    Plume shot is about the worst skill an EP can use... the only one even worse would be thunderball.

    Why don't you get to end-game and refine to +12 instead of playing with pwcalc?
    poohxbearx can kill 4 melee people attacking him in 2 seconds (2-3 hits per person with 5aps) b:bye

    Yes, because people just sit around waiting for BM/Sin to triple spark to get 5aps and wait there for them to hit them? Idiot. BM can't kill nearly as many people as a wizard... they're ranged... duh. And a sin with 5aps? They're 1v1...

    Apparently you have no idea how to play the game, because people don't sit still for a melee class to get in range... wizards are a ranged class. Wizards rule TW.

    I swear, you're about as dumb as they get. b:bye
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Oh yeah, you're in the tournament with 4 melee friends of yours, you see poohxbearx... you definitely do not all jump on him, stunlock him to death, nah, you just sit out till he massacres you 1 by 1 in less than a second when he reaches you.

    Who's the idiot?



    And plume shot, are you trolling, or just plain ****? Give me one good reason why Cyclone (or Gush) would do more damage, apart from the mastery involved? (which is a lot, mind you, but plume shot is physical = good against robes). Or are you so indoctrinated that you can't see straight?
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Oh yeah, you're in the tournament with 4 melee friends of yours, you see poohxbearx... you definitely do not all jump on him, stunlock him to death, nah, you just sit out till he massacres you 1 by 1 in less than a second when he reaches you.

    Who's the idiot?

    Clearly you are. Even Identical with +12 Nirvana dies after he kills one person. Too many hyper and oracle nubs on your server, apparently you're one of them. b:bye
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    A similar wizard would die to such a gank without even killing 3 people, 2 tops and that's best case if others don't get stun first.

    Reason: needs around 4 seconds to kill 1. Too slow.

    EDIT: I'm talking about spamming gush/pyro of course, not AOE or anything. Similarly the sin, auto-attacks, not uses Subsea or Earthen Rift.
  • Asperitas - Lost City
    Asperitas - Lost City Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    A similar wizard would die to such a gank without even killing 3 people, 2 tops and that's best case if others don't get stun first.

    Reason: needs around 4 seconds to kill 1. Too slow.

    EDIT: I'm talking about spamming gush/pyro of course, not AOE or anything. Similarly the sin, auto-attacks, not uses Subsea or Earthen Rift.

    Do you have any idea how much defense and hp some of these wizards have? They don't just hit hard, they're like a boulder.

    Archer skills don't have huge modifiers like wizards do. That's why they rely on speed and crits.

    Let me put things into perspective for you here.

    An archer with +12 Nirvana bow crit me with a metal attack for 8k.
    A wizard with a +12 (?) Nature Talker hit me with a stone rain for 7k non-crit.

    My resistences for metal and earth are the same.
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    I agree about archers, they don't hit as hard, but not TWICE as low... and they hit almost twice as fast, decent ones at least. Hence more DPS, hence you have LESS chances to reach them -- so why QQ about magic classes? (again, your (class') mdef sucks probably... doesn't mean scissor is OP just because it beats paper).

    Also a wizard may be tough to take down but I'm pretty sure he's gonna get rolled when 5 (or 4 if he killed 1) people jump on him and stun him to death. b:surrender

    And I never disagreed that wizards are hard to take down. I'm talking about people who QQ about their DAMAGE, which is low actually given the time you need to cast it (not just wizards' but ALL magic classes are nerfed in this game... and in fact, I've no idea why ppl QQ only about wizard damage but not psychic, and talking about gush here ofc).


    I don't need to get to +12 nirvana to prove my point. Nien event:

    +11 Neon Purgatory wiz: 7k-12k contrib depending on event time and how fast beast goes down (averages around 8k-9k most times)

    poohxbearx: 50k contrib+ when he doesn't squad (rarely)
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »
    Do you have any idea how much defense and hp some of these wizards have?

    No, he doesn't. End-game wizards have as much or more pdef than fully buffed non-marrowed blademasters. b:bye
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  • NonameWiz - Sanctuary
    NonameWiz - Sanctuary Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    A general discussion turns into a table-tennis match between LC and RT. Who'll win this time?

    Only time will tell b:laugh
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  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    No, he doesn't. End-game wizards have as much or more pdef than fully buffed non-marrowed blademasters. b:bye
    With my "****" gear I have more defenses than any LA people with full TT90 so yeah, I think I do know that. Especially considering we get more at endgame. (of course I'm talking at the same refined levels...) (LA because sins mostly wear LA)

    No we don't have as much HP but close to it. (AA gives least HP when refined)

    Yes we are hard to take down.

    Yes we have great survivability skills like Blink.

    No, I do not see the relevance of our survivability to our damage.
  • Asperitas - Lost City
    Asperitas - Lost City Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I agree about archers, they don't hit as hard, but not TWICE as low... and they hit almost twice as fast, decent ones at least. Hence more DPS, hence you have LESS chances to reach them -- so why QQ about magic classes? (again, your (class') mdef sucks probably... doesn't mean scissor is OP just because it beats paper).

    Also a wizard may be tough to take down but I'm pretty sure he's gonna get rolled when 5 (or 4 if he killed 1) people jump on him and stun him to death. b:surrender

    And I never disagreed that wizards are hard to take down. I'm talking about people who QQ about their DAMAGE, which is low actually given the time you need to cast it (not just wizards' but ALL magic classes are nerfed in this game... and in fact, I've no idea why ppl QQ only about wizard damage but not psychic, and talking about gush here ofc).


    I don't need to get to +12 nirvana to prove my point. Nien event:

    +11 Neon Purgatory wiz: 7k-12k contrib depending on event time and how fast beast goes down (averages around 8k-9k most times)

    poohxbearx: 50k contrib+ when he doesn't squad (rarely)

    Nein Event is PVE. DPS rules PVE. I thought we established that already.

    DPS doesn't translate to PVP. DPS is devastating in PVP yes, but DPH is just as devastating, and coupled with range, even more so.

    Especially in group PVP and TW, where there's a lot of **** going on, wizards frequently throw off ultis, and when people like Ehee do it, all you see is a bunch of corpses. You're often obscured from view, because you're not right in the middle of the road stunning and pulling a catapult. You get that full advantage of range, and like Ehee proved, 1 2 tab, 1 2 tab.

    You have to realize, PVP is more than 1 v 1. PVP is more than hitting a stationary target. PVP is variable. It's not about who can deal the most DPS, because people aren't standing there taking your hits. Range + massive DPH is a hell of a force to be reckoned with.

    Don't believe me, take a look at the screenshots of LLama. Given it was probably a BIDS with frenzy and jones blessing and whatever, but it's still a ridiculous amount of damage for anybody to dish out. Now we were talking about warsoul? Yeah...b:bye.

    I think you have to realize, channeling isn't as much of a hinderance in group PVP and TW as it is in 1 v 1. And that's really where wizards shine.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited July 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    No, I do not see the relevance of our survivability to our damage.

    Survivability allows you to stay alive to kill more people... damage allows you to kill them more quickly. Endgame mage can kill as fast as they can spam pyro+gush+tab. Well geared sins in TW aren't a factor. Well geared mages in TW rule the instance. b:bye
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