Sirens kiss, I love it.

True, but look at the guides that are sticky @ lv30 you could attempt to write it, just use ecatomb for skill description b:laugh

yasii wrote: »

I'm suprised you havent gone one step further and postulated someone who has never played the game, reading up on a few guides/skills and attempting to write their own. b:mischievous

i could, but that would be pushing it far....and its not like i said anything untrue about the guides that already exists, they just say about status points and describe skills how hard is that to write b:quiet

Uh let's be honest and not too ideal. Normally in tw there's sins bms archers chasing clerics around wherever you are, and normally we wouldn't have much chi in tw, skills like guardian light can only save your life once and plume shell has the cd. And sleep only do good when theres 1 person chasing you. It happens to me a lot that i used guardian light and genie has no energy and still a couple ppl chasing after me siren's kiss really do a decent job against bm and barbs when you have 1 spark in tw at such situation there's really not much you could do plume shell doesn't save you all the time neither. siren kiss' fast casting and channeling + seal could really save your life sometimesb:victoryb:victory If you have any opinion i'll be happy to discussb:laugh

Sirens Kiss; Good for Sin check.

Spamming IH we get 5 chi a second (maybe more if you have -chan). Practical? No.
A BM on cloud sprint runs at 9.5 m/s. Melee weapons have a range anywhere between 2.5-5m. Melees more or less can attack you from 12m away.
No one in their right mind would cast SK to get away. We have sleep, and if that's on cooldown, we have silent seal. If you're 100+ and both are on cooldown, you have seal of the gods. tl;dr, get out of the cleric forums.

Stargazers - Heavens Tear wrote: »

IH takes 1 second to channel, 1 second to cast, and has a 1 second CD.
Taking into account that it restores 10 chi, you'll need to cast it 10 times (FYI Yulk 1 spark equals 100 chi).
So let's do some basic math; hell, I'll even do most of it for you, just follow along:
it takes 27 seconds to cast 9 IH (9*3 = 27 seconds)
and for the final IH we only need to factor the channel and cast time (1*2).
All told, the total amount of time required for a spark is 29 seconds.
Yeah, seconds.




You can cast it, sure, but you probably will not escape.

Look at the crucial point of information concerning Siren's Kiss that you are overlooking:
"Has a chance to freeze for 3 seconds."

No mention of the chance whatsoever. So you're suggesting to use SK whenever "a melee gets close to you" in order to flee.

Yeah, we're going to use an attack with an ambiguous chance to freeze when we could use the same amount of time to cast Chromatic Seal (FYI Yulk that is a sleep).





Already proved that your point is invalid.






Okay, you are going an attack with a 12 meter radius against an archer. Uninstall plz, kthxbai.


[EDIT]Hm, DeathBanana beat me to the punch.

umm cooldown starts after channel so it only takes 2 sec to cast ih.

i have given up trying to respond to his post lol

I hope he is learning something from it though. If only he levels up, he should be a much better player, in game and in forums.

stargazers your mostly right but why wouldnt you want to use sirens kiss on an archer? if you holy path up to one and then sirens kiss your doing several things, doing damage on him, making him only do half damage to you, and keeping in him from running back into a range where he would be doing full damage to you. All those things seem pretty win to me.

DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Spamming IH we get 5 chi a second (maybe more if you have -chan). Practical? No.
A BM on cloud sprint runs at 9.5 m/s. Melee weapons have a range anywhere between 2.5-5m. Melees more or less can attack you from 12m away.
No one in their right mind would cast SK to get away. We have sleep, and if that's on cooldown, we have silent seal. If you're 100+ and both are on cooldown, you have seal of the gods. tl;dr, get out of the cleric forums.

Spam IH before fighting? Its easy to fill chi with 5 chi a second. Thats why I always fill my chi as a caster.

Sure BMs have sprint, but not only that, clerics can cast silent seal and / or chromatic seal to lock just like BMs stun locking. Would drake bash be useless because it costs 1 spark? Stop QQing about SK and learn how to use it



Again, you can lock people with that amount of chi consumed. Silent seal + Siren's kiss + chromatic seal.

Ohhh, why would you want to not be in close range from an archer as an arcane Stargazer?

When did I say arcane wearers should not be close to archers?
Point out that specific line and you get a cookie.
I did say that it is dubious to use an attack with 12 meter radius as there are better things to do with your chi.
Chiv brings in a good point about using Holy Path to get close up, but, as Lylfo pointed out, there are better ways of using genie energy.



I think you are missing the point here, Yulk.
SK just is not as flexible as other options.
Chromatic also locks down the opponent, but the sleep debuff is guaranteed. The duration of said skill is not fixed, but that is irrelevant compared to the fact that SK's "freeze" effect is not reliable.


A reprieve that gives you at least some breathing time guaranteed;
A close-range skill that may give you a 3 second freeze....

Gee, tough call.

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Would drake bash be useless because it costs 1 spark?

Again, you're twisting words. Yes, there have been replies in this topic that continually accentuate the fact that SK uses 1 spark which would be better used for some other skill. But that is not the main reason why SK is so disregarded: the fact that other skills fill its niche would be the culprit of that trend. The fact that such skills use less chi and accomplishes more is just icing on the cake.

Yulk, do you like playing devil's advocate?

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Spam IH before fighting? Its easy to fill chi with 5 chi a second. Thats why I always fill my chi as a caster.

Sure BMs have sprint, but not only that, clerics can cast silent seal and / or chromatic seal to lock just like BMs stun locking. Would drake bash be useless because it costs 1 spark? Stop QQing about SK and learn how to use it

Again, you can lock people with that amount of chi consumed. Silent seal + Siren's kiss + chromatic seal.

Drake Bash is well worth that one spark because of 100% stun, hits hard, and especially hard with a crit.

But not the same case in the combo that you have mentioned. Your combo is hardly a stun lock.

Silent Seal has a self debuff that halves your magic attack damage. If you plan to attack, you'd have to purify, which is another 2 seconds and 20 chi before you launch an attack, and the seal would come off. Or maybe you don't attack, and run off, buy some time to heal yourself... Then the melee ranged come, and you get a chance to seal them again before you start fleeing, where you get far enough and make another sleep.

What the heck would you be doing the entire time? Sounds like a weird time buying tactic to me, and hardly a stun lock, where you actually hurt people in that duration. You can save yourself the time, mana and chi spent just doing other far more useful combos.

If you're going to theorize something, at least have logical arguments. In your entire combo above, Siren's Kiss is a redundant filler.

Chi needs to be put in better use. You can't seriously be thinking that this is how an entire fight goes:

10 IH in a row - Plume Shell (30 chi) - Silent Seal (20 chi) - Siren's Kiss (one spark) - Sleep (30 chi) - 10 IH in a row - Plume Shell (30 chi)....repeat the cycle, and insert one or two random attacks wherever you can find the space and time to.

How are you going to kill anyone with that....

Sirens kiss gives me a chance to hit all of the mobs when I pull them by accident and maybe stun them, then single one out to attack and maybe kill one of them faster so I have a fighting chance. Or give me time to flee.
It's also nice in instances with low level mobs, you lure everything then... boom b:laugh

This is a pro-**** necro. And it's not even about the original topic anymore lol.