Sage advantages over Demon?

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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    anwynd wrote: »
    just like to say isnt it only 1% crit for each element not 3% sense i believe they dont stack

    it's been known for half a year they actually stack.
    with masteries learn u have 3% more crit.
    With only 1 mastery learn u have a 1% extra, with 2 masteries 2 % extra.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    it's been known for half a year they actually stack.
    with masteries learn u have 3% more crit.
    With only 1 mastery learn u have a 1% extra, with 2 masteries 2 % extra.

    Active crit buff (50% to get 30% increase crit) vs passive 3% crit buff.
    o.o'
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    it's been known for half a year they actually stack.
    with masteries learn u have 3% more crit.
    With only 1 mastery learn u have a 1% extra, with 2 masteries 2 % extra.

    there isnt any proof that they stack. All the proof people say are noticable with the crit arrow and it has been said that crit arrows dont work.

    If demon masteries stack, then crit arrow works just the same.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    there isnt any proof that they stack. All the proof people say are noticable with the crit arrow and it has been said that crit arrows dont work.

    If demon masteries stack, then crit arrow works just the same.

    iono
    something about using the eye of observation on demon mages show the additional crit from demon mastery or something.
    x.x'
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    iono
    something about using the eye of observation on demon mages show the additional crit from demon mastery or something.
    x.x'

    eye of observation also shows crit arrow.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    eye of observation also shows crit arrow.

    Q_Q
    everything demon wizzies know be wrong~~!!!~!~!~!
    Dx
    (also me still going to wear this crit arrow anyway, for teh lulz even if private servers proved it doesn't work.)

    also pretty sure there be not...that...many people willing to shoot chickens thousands of time while scribing their outcome to see if there be a real difference.
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    iono
    something about using the eye of observation on demon mages show the additional crit from demon mastery or something.
    x.x'

    Is same with critical arrow. You can also see +1 more critical and it doesn't work. with eyes of observation you can see +3% more critical, but it doesn't say if they are stacked or not. It can be very easily, that is just for each element separately, but eye it sees together.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I sent email about demon masteries directly to china, but they never answer back.b:angry


    o.o'
    send in....another email!
    xD
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Is same with critical arrow. You can also see +1 more critical and it doesn't work. with eyes of observation you can see +3% more critical, but it doesn't say if they are stacked or not. It can be very easily, that is just for each element separately, but eye it sees together.
    I sent email about demon masteries directly to china, but they never answer back.b:angry

    its logic they stacking if every other class got atleast 2% from masteries than u need learn 3 book for 1-1%? that no sense
  • _Vivio_ - Sanctuary
    _Vivio_ - Sanctuary Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »
    its logic they stacking if every other class got atleast 2% from masteries than u need learn 3 book for 1-1%? that no sense

    Its a game there is no logic or why would archers hit 1/2 damage up close? Fish can breath out of water o.O and some can fly. No one really knows about the masteries they just assume. Not denying or confirming about masteries just saying no one knows so no real point in saying yeah its true or nooo it isn't true.
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    _Vivio_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Its a game there is no logic or why would archers hit 1/2 damage up close? Fish can breath out of water o.O and some can fly. No one really knows about the masteries they just assume. Not denying or confirming about masteries just saying no one knows so no real point in saying yeah its true or nooo it isn't true.

    why? maybe because they have the longest range and fast attack speed (compared with casters) (at lv54 they got 30m range and not at 89/92/99 like wizz who is the 2nd in range, sage archer could get 36m+ range too) + that not aplied to metal skills and melee skills, after they got ranged stun/paralyze/knockback and a melee aoe knockback too its ok that 1/2 dmg penalty if target is closer than 5,5m-4,5m (depend xbow or slingshot).
    really somebody watched melee archer with bow ? if yes the lose the sense why they got the longest range.
    most of ppl know the masteries and its really normal if u learn 3 skill (triple cost) then get 3%crit if another class (like cleric) get 2% crit from 1 mastery, and cleric not mainly pvp oriented.
  • _Vivio_ - Sanctuary
    _Vivio_ - Sanctuary Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »
    why? maybe because they have the longest range and fast attack speed (compared with casters) (at lv54 they got 30m range and not at 89/92/99 like wizz who is the 2nd in range, sage archer could get 36m+ range too) + that not aplied to metal skills and melee skills, after they got ranged stun/paralyze/knockback and a melee aoe knockback too its ok that 1/2 dmg penalty if target is closer than 5,5m-4,5m (depend xbow or slingshot).
    really somebody watched melee archer with bow ? if yes the lose the sense why they got the longest range.
    most of ppl know the masteries and its really normal if u learn 3 skill (triple cost) then get 3%crit if another class (like cleric) get 2% crit from 1 mastery, and cleric not mainly pvp oriented.

    You still cant actually prove it stacks other than you believe it to be so because of "logic". Longest range doesn't give your explanation any sense of logic since if it was really logic Archers would do full damage cause getting shot at point blank kinda should work like that right? But it doesn't and oh well.

    That is why I say its a game you cant really apply "logic" as the only way to prove something exists in the game. As I said before no one can really say it exists and doesn't exist. No one has really been able to prove without a doubt it doesn't or does stack. I don't see whats your point in being so invigorated in the belief it stacks and just saying it should so it does exist. I've never said it doesn't exist just said there's no point if you have no proof. I'm just supposed to believe a poster automatically? Nope, I'd rather wait and see if someone really proves it.
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    _Vivio_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Longest range doesn't give your explanation any sense of logic since if it was really logic Archers would do full damage cause getting shot at point blank kinda should work like that right? But it doesn't and oh well.

    maybe for that need different game engine intead the current one :P
    since ea the best ranged dd cause crit rate and speed for me sound normal cause this pump up the game style a bit when u cant just stay and hit the mob near u; this force a bit keep the distance and low lv too or spam mana pots :)

    this mainly the weapon thing cause archer do full dmg in close range with melee weapons. its not archer depend, its ranged weapon depend (in another server its called weaken distance in weapon description and not in somewhere in ea skills).b:bye
  • _Vivio_ - Sanctuary
    _Vivio_ - Sanctuary Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »
    maybe for that need different game engine intead the current one :P
    since ea the best ranged dd cause crit rate and speed for me sound normal cause this pump up the game style a bit when u cant just stay and hit the mob near u; this force a bit keep the distance and low lv too or spam mana pots :)

    this mainly the weapon thing cause archer do full dmg in close range with melee weapons. its not archer depend, its ranged weapon depend.b:bye

    Yeah, change the subject. Still cant prove your point that masteries stack due to "logic"?
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    _Vivio_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yeah, change the subject. Still cant prove your point that masteries stack due to "logic"?

    if eye spy not enough to u then cant prove nobody else (cause i think dev team a bit busy and they made eye spy for this things)
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    well, let's assume for the sake of it that they do.
    And really, I see the logic behind Shad's arguments. 1% per mastery, 3% in total.
    That and other skills make the demon a pretty nice choice.
    we have a 50% chance to get about 45% crit for 12 seconds(i guess) , why would demon not have 3% crit from masteries? Cause really, 1% from learning all masteries is just a bad, really bad joke. Yes, we can't prove it, but let's use some common sense here. We as sage get 5% extra dmg/hit (which endgame with nicely refined weapons can be quite an amount), demon gets 1% crit? lol...come on....that's not even close.
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  • Myriad_ - Lost City
    Myriad_ - Lost City Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    _Vivio_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You still cant actually prove it stacks other than you believe it to be so because of "logic". Longest range doesn't give your explanation any sense of logic since if it was really logic Archers would do full damage cause getting shot at point blank kinda should work like that right? But it doesn't and oh well.

    That is why I say its a game you cant really apply "logic" as the only way to prove something exists in the game. As I said before no one can really say it exists and doesn't exist. No one has really been able to prove without a doubt it doesn't or does stack. I don't see whats your point in being so invigorated in the belief it stacks and just saying it should so it does exist. I've never said it doesn't exist just said there's no point if you have no proof. I'm just supposed to believe a poster automatically? Nope, I'd rather wait and see if someone really proves it.

    You can't prove scientifically anything in this game, because you don't have access to the code. You can't prove nothing. Imagine i have 10% crit, whatever the class/culti. And what if that's wrong, and the game calculates as if i have 3%? You can do nothing, you will never know the formulas to know how this game works. The game tells you something, and what if its wrong?
    You can't say something exists or is true, until it is scientifically proved, shown by mathematic demonstration, statistical tests etc...

    So really there are no reasons to fight over if it stacks or not. They stack, these skills were meant and deisgned to stack, if not the game fails.
  • _Vivio_ - Sanctuary
    _Vivio_ - Sanctuary Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Myriad_ - Lost City wrote: »
    You can't prove scientifically anything in this game, because you don't have access to the code. You can't prove nothing. Imagine i have 10% crit, whatever the class/culti. And what if that's wrong, and the game calculates as if i have 3%? You can do nothing, you will never know the formulas to know how this game works. The game tells you something, and what if its wrong?
    You can't say something exists or is true, until it is scientifically proved, shown by mathematic demonstration, statistical tests etc...

    So really there are no reasons to fight over if it stacks or not. They stack, these skills were meant and deisgned to stack, if not the game fails.

    You basically said what I said. No point in saying it does or doesn't stack since we dont know. How do you know it's meant to stack? It's an assumption not a fact. If you feel it does stack sure your entitled to that but meh I'm not going to say it does or doesn't when I do not know or nor does anyone else really. I was posting before because that person felt it does stack due to "logic" and that doesn't mean its true since that is not proof and thats all there is to it.
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  • NonameWiz - Sanctuary
    NonameWiz - Sanctuary Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    I just know this: by looking at vivio sig, I know being a wiz is awesome. That's good enough :D
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  • Baalzor - Heavens Tear
    Baalzor - Heavens Tear Posts: 272 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    wud never go sage.


    demon stone barrier and demon spark forever <3

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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Baalzor - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    wud never go sage.


    demon stone barrier and demon spark forever <3

    dun care for rest

    wud never go demon.


    sage BIDS and chi skill forever <3

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  • Lorsis - Lost City
    Lorsis - Lost City Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Both are useless.
    Demon:
    Distance shrink 30m - way too much, it ports you too far. If you jump back you're out of you skill range, forward(when u want to reduce archers damage) you have to keep max range or you'll jump behind him and waste time and chi.

    Pitfall freeze (33) procs more often than hailstorm.
    Blade tempest has no demon effect
    You ain't gonna kill sht with ultis if they don't crit.
    And its bullsht that you cant get chi fast as demon, demon frostblade gives 20 chi per cast.

    Roll other class, wiz is on more cool or strong. Only way to deal fair amount of damage is buying rank 8 or nirvana +10-12 and going full chanelling. My weap is pretty much average, +10 wand, and it does no damage to buffed targets. 3.5k to marrowed wr with undine poison bids and it takes month to do that combo.
    5 aps classes rule now, ** wizards.

    And masteries crit DO stack

    Tested it on 600 and 1000 rams in sundown
    And don't ask me to youtube it, it's 1.5 hour long movie, 32 GB, would take month to convert it and then another century to rapidshare it
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Lorsis - Lost City wrote: »
    Both are useless.
    Demon:
    Distance shrink 30m - way too much, it ports you too far. If you jump back you're out of you skill range, forward(when u want to reduce archers damage) you have to keep max range or you'll jump behind him and waste time and chi.

    Pitfall freeze (33) procs more often than hailstorm.
    Blade tempest has no demon effect
    You ain't gonna kill sht with ultis if they don't crit.
    And its bullsht that you cant get chi fast as demon, demon frostblade gives 20 chi per cast.

    Roll other class, wiz is on more cool or strong. Only way to deal fair amount of damage is buying rank 8 or nirvana +10-12 and going full chanelling. My weap is pretty much average, +10 wand, and it does no damage to buffed targets. 3.5k to marrowed wr with undine poison bids and it takes month to do that combo.
    5 aps classes rule now, ** wizards.

    And masteries crit DO stack

    Tested it on 600 and 1000 rams in sundown
    And don't ask me to youtube it, it's 1.5 hour long movie, 32 GB, would take month to convert it and then another century to rapidshare it

    still sage chi gainer lv89 skill+sage frost blade+elemental shell+fost balde the fastest chi and sometimes after a sutra ulti combo really nice if left +1fury from ultis but not overpoweed or something cause demon wq great too.

    about bm, its true, u deal low dmg,sometimes BT better than bids b:surrender (sucks udine increase a really tiny % on ur dmg if its aplied only to eq dmg and ingnore the sutra what give the most mdef :/)

    about 5aps idk, but i survive atm the 3aps (ofc only with protection cause i dont have domain/expel).

    atm i am quite well with my wizz (both my wizz/archer is lv100 and i like better wizz in pk and in pve the archer), ofc with my inferno+4 i need really crits sometimes else against bm no chance (exclude run/flyaway XD), still i love the wizz vs barb pk (mainly if barb dont got cleric buff lol) XD
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Lorsis - Lost City wrote: »
    Both are useless.
    Demon:
    Distance shrink 30m - way too much, it ports you too far. If you jump back you're out of you skill range, forward(when u want to reduce archers damage) you have to keep max range or you'll jump behind him and waste time and chi.

    Pitfall freeze (33) procs more often than hailstorm.
    Blade tempest has no demon effect
    You ain't gonna kill sht with ultis if they don't crit.
    And its bullsht that you cant get chi fast as demon, demon frostblade gives 20 chi per cast.

    Roll other class, wiz is on more cool or strong. Only way to deal fair amount of damage is buying rank 8 or nirvana +10-12 and going full chanelling. My weap is pretty much average, +10 wand, and it does no damage to buffed targets. 3.5k to marrowed wr with undine poison bids and it takes month to do that combo.
    5 aps classes rule now, ** wizards.

    And masteries crit DO stack

    Tested it on 600 and 1000 rams in sundown
    And don't ask me to youtube it, it's 1.5 hour long movie, 32 GB, would take month to convert it and then another century to rapidshare it

    Dont listen to Lorsis, he is THE most fail wizard b:surrender
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    he's just "special" not fail.
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  • Lorsis - Lost City
    Lorsis - Lost City Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Dont listen to Lorsis, he is THE most fail wizard b:surrender

    Said the lv 96 wiz from pve server who cant even pve well... 96 in a year, nice
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Lorsis - Lost City wrote: »
    Said the lv 96 wiz from pve server who cant even pve well... 96 in a year, nice

    with slower lving u can learn more about pw and not comparable with somebody who start this game and will be 100 in 2month and will be uber nub XD
  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Lorsis - Lost City wrote: »
    Said the lv 96 wiz from pve server who cant even pve well... 96 in a year, nice

    Slow leveling means nothing, I play this game since oktober 2008 and I know how to play my class.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Lorsis - Lost City wrote: »
    Said the lv 96 wiz from pve server who cant even pve well... 96 in a year, nice

    thats because im playing my wiz on lost city b:shutup

    Ask Adroit, Amour, Piliener :P

    Enjoying your bound hh90 gear?
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • HxCx - Heavens Tear
    HxCx - Heavens Tear Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Sage advantages over Demon?
    Just the dragon thing, but not worth being Sage just for this.
    The -cast of the demon wins
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