Everyone running around with elite gear

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It depend also on class. Melee classes has HUGE advantage in earn coins then mages. So they can be very rich in short time. Mages are the worst classes to making money. They cannot do anything alone even at the end-game. If you want to be rich don't play as a mage.

go valley aoe crushers profit wiz can also tank all range TT boss you should look at the wiz in your own faction hes proven its easy.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

... Too many people 'want to have the best things and don't want to have to work for them like it's a job because it's a video game and they don't want it to feel like work'.

There's quite a few people here that share that kind of sentiment, they don't want to farm for their gear, they don't want any difficult or long-term goals, they want instant gratifcation, and I'm sure this thread is full of them, I know the forum is.

It's likely that a lot of those people the OP is complaining about actually don't want it to feel like work because they already have a successful career that they have to work at during the day and at night they want to relax and play their video game, just like you said.

What gets me is that people like the OP complain about this... In a free-to-play game it is the cash-shoppers that provide revenue to the company which allows those who don't cash-shop to continue to play for free (and those who don't cash-shop are supplying coins to those who sell gold so non cash-shoppers are a critical part of the population too!). Those who are cash-shopping may be in over their heads (Stilled of Archosaur), but there's quite a few that have probably finished their academic studies, work hard every day to earn a decent salary, and instead of spending $300-400 on a golf weekend at an exclusive club, they blow it on +10 Lunar gear in a game they play. Pumb Dumb's idea that Usually people that spend that much money are using disability checks an such or just experienced the credit card, is just the pathetic kind of envy I've seen expressed here. Asserting that "usually" it's the case of abuse of disability income or irresponsible spending without any evidence to back that up is just comical--by extension more than 50% of the American tax-payers must be in the same boat, right? Laughable.

People with good jobs have disposable income... it maybe more or less disposable income than what others of us have, but so what? People that complain about what others have are always doomed to not enjoy the game to the fullest. If you want to learn tips of how to play better, ideas on merchanting that everyone can do, etc. that's great, but just saying "cash shoppers suck [cuz I can't compete]," well... that's pretty lame. Get a better job that pulls down enough money for you to enjoy your leisure time as you'd like after paying all the necessary bills, but always set your own benchmarks rather than suffer the "grass is greener over there" syndrome.

Well then work a bit harder

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Someone who NEVER spends real money on this "Free" game will never be able to compete with a full blown cash shopper.

You are wrong..I know more then a few.

Hard work and a goal is all....

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

This game in unbalanced and Someone who NEVER spends real money on this "Free" game will never be able to compete with a full blown cash shopper.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=648262&highlight=billion

I think he has about 2.5 billion coins (in items intended for resell) by merchanting.
There's also Warrenwolfy on your server who's close to getting 1 bil as well as several other merchants.

With 2.5 billion coins, he probably can outfit his character and have better gear than 99% of cash shoppers.

Some people don't even play the game IMO, they just cash shop.


A guy on raging tide has full +7 or higher event and TT99. has a +11 nirvana weapon.


Did a TT run with him a few days ago and he said that it was his first time ever doing 2-3.

YsoEmo - Sanctuary wrote: »

What's the point of TT? To make money right? When he already has money, what's the point of him going in TT?

Playing the game ? Have fun ? b:shocked
Casual player hardcore cash shop didn't want so many difficulty on their games, because they already has many difficulty when working i guess . . ? b:surrender

YsoEmo - Sanctuary wrote: »

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=648262&highlight=billion

I think he has about 2.5 billion coins (in items intended for resell) by merchanting.
There's also Warrenwolfy on your server who's close to getting 1 bil as well as several other merchants.

With 2.5 billion coins, he probably can outfit his character and have better gear than 99% of cash shoppers.

That guy? He's never played the game. He wakes up every morning just to stare at his screen for goods to buy and sell. He's wasted a lot of his time merchanting and know craps about this game. I'm looking forward to seeing his full Nirvana set and beat the **** out of him. b:victory

oyamajio wrote: »

That guy? He's never played the game. He wakes up every morning just to stare at his screen for goods to buy and sell. He's wasted a lot of his time merchanting and know craps about this game. I'm looking forward to seeing his full Nirvana set and beat the **** out of him. b:victory

Wanna be the president of my fan club?

I've never used hypers or oracles. I grinded to 78 and did gamma to 85. I finished delta, I tried FCC twice, did lunar. Only things I haven't done are CoA, Nirvana, and Warsong. So you're wrong if you think I've never played the game. I've had more than enough time to play since I don't have to farm for coins.
I don't play much these days but what else is there to do when you're 100. People do TTs and BHs to make coins at my level and I got enough already. I set up my shop and I check it once or twice a day and then I'm off to bust my **** in school work and my job.

Seriously, you should be my fan club's president. b:kiss

oyamajio wrote: »

That basically means you've never played this game, defined by me. Well, that's a quick reaction. Do you stay online 24 hours a day or what, lol. You worked your **** off to earn yourself uber gears so that you can pk everyone, lol. Come get your full set. You'll learn your lessons soon.

Oh geez, maybe you should be the president of his fan club. You're obviously obsessed and infatuated with him.

oyamajio wrote: »

That guy? He's never played the game. He wakes up every morning just to stare at his screen for goods to buy and sell. He's wasted a lot of his time merchanting and know craps about this game. I'm looking forward to seeing his full Nirvana set and beat the **** out of him. b:victory

I can's speak for "Barbarian", but I can guarantee that when I finally get my full end-game gear and refine/shard it all to death...

...you'll kick my ****.

No seriously, you will. But so what? I spend way too much time mucking around doing silly, pointless things in the game to ever be considered any sort of major threat to anybody. I think I might possibly be the #1 ranked Serpent Isle Dungeon Racer (if such rankings existed), but I'm under no delusions that that's anything but laughable.

I view my accomplishments differently than other people, I guess, and I play for my own amusement. I'm kinda proud of the fact that I've had the same Guardian Scroll sitting in my inventory, un-used, for the past 25 levels, and that I can count my total PvE deaths on one hand, but I also know that the reason there's no ranking system for "almost never dies" is because nobody else really cares but me.

oyamajio wrote: »

Weren't you the one to start mentioning about him? lol. It just popped up in the first page and I was in the mood to share. Not once I initiated a discussion about him. I was just a follower, hah. You could be him though. He's practically a rubbish player, no doubt about that. The only thing that interests me is the problems he created and how someone could solve it. Period.

So you follow him. I guess you're more of a stalker.

I remember reading his thread and just wanted to show the OP that a non-cash shopper can compete with cash shoppers.

And also, what problems did he create? I only remember him posting in his thread. I actually am thankful because I learned a little about how to make coins myself by reading his thread. I also remember you trying so hard to figure out who he was, seems a little obsessive to me.

Thelas_Carr - Sanctuary wrote: »

It's likely that a lot of those people the OP is complaining about actually don't want it to feel like work because they already have a successful career that they have to work at during the day and at night they want to relax and play their video game, just like you said.

See, that's the thing you don't seem to get. I casually cash-shop and I'm not afraid to admit it. I hardly compete with people who regularly cash shop, and I won't pretend that i do.

You're right this is a game, however everything that is hard to work for or achieve in a game shouldn't just be given away because you can spend thousands on the game. What is even the point of playing if there is no real long term goals? Much of the end-game gear was designed to be difficult to get so once you did get it, you could be proud of your accomplishment and not everyone would have it. The point isn't really having the best gear, it's working hard so you can be one of the few who have it.

People who think that's too much like work are playing the wrong game. If acheiving a goal seems like work to you, then perhaps a FPS or other game would be more suitable for you.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

See, that's the thing you don't seem to get.

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People who think that's too much like work are playing the wrong game. If acheiving a goal seems like work to you, then perhaps a FPS or other game would be more suitable for you.

I dunno... If people think it's too much work to grind for [insert whatever here] in THIS game, and they have disposable entertainment income, they CAN just spend cash for it. If you think they should be playing a different game, what game would that be? I'm not sure why the heavy cash-shoppers (who I'm not one of--I think I just get their point of view) would prefer an FPS or other game when the devs and marketing team at PWE have given them all they want here in this game.

Note that I'm not agreeing that cash-for-power is a good thing, but that is the way of things in PWI... and as Warren says, even the best gear in the hands of an inept player won't give them real power, but it certainly does seem to generate some deep-green envy among quite a few.

Those who think cash-for-power ruins a game might want to check out Battle of Immortals or Forsaken World... in one of the dev-diary videos for BoI, the product manager says something along the lines of "Our devs in China have learned that Western players don't mind cash-for-convenience, but absolutley hate cash-for-power and we've incorporated that cultural shift into the cash-shop of our latest game Battle of the Immortals." Not a direct quote, but that was the reader's digest of what I got from the interview.

i am kinda curious... does all the lunar or nivana or what ev stuff really give you THAT much of an edge? Not knockin anything i'm just curious on what the effects of having it is. Is it one of those things that only PK players shoot for?