Everyone running around with elite gear

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary

I simply don't understand how so many people have neon purgatory's, lunar glade robes, and Lunar rings.

How do so many people afford these? arent the neon purgatory's like 50 mil +?

and the rings are like 70 mil?

Is everyone cash shoppers or what?

Asheera - Raging Tide

Yeah not to mention many scroll of tomes... on Raging Tide 2nd newest server atm.

They had to come from packs at some point too so I can't believe how many people would spend thousands on the game then. Or someone got reaaaaaaaaally lucky but I doubt it.

Stilled - Archosaur

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I simply don't understand how so many people have neon purgatory's, lunar glade robes, and Lunar rings.

How do so many people afford these? arent the neon purgatory's like 50 mil +?

and the rings are like 70 mil?

Is everyone cash shoppers or what?

LOL it only takes one pack to win something little like a plat mp charm, before even people that dont normally cash shop go: WTF!! HOW AM I GOING TO AFFORD RENT???

Ha, I was lucky I still have family in the area when I went overboard. b:surrender
Currently on the 12 step Cash Shoppers Anonymous Program. I'm on step 3: "Admitting I DONT need a charm." Omg, its so hard!!!!

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Well every pack have chance to get them, and each pack have chance to get token of best luck.
2 best luck = 10m
Lunars = around 60m
Frost cover = around 25 - 30m but i am not sure so fix these someone
scroll tome = 200m average

I am not surprised if there a non cash shopper that almost has maximum amount of money because merchanting. (to be placed in bank and inventory)
With that expensive thing floating, i am not wondering . . b:surrender

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well every pack have chance to get them, and each pack have chance to get token of best luck.
2 best luck = 10m
Lunars = around 60m
Frost cover = around 25 - 30m but i am not sure so fix these someone
scroll tome = 200m average

I am not surprised if there a non cash shopper that almost has maximum amount of money because merchanting. (to be placed in bank and inventory)
With that expensive thing floating, i am not wondering . . b:surrender

I'm sorry i simply can't understand you

tweakz

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is everyone cash shoppers or what?

I suck at vending, but during double drops: it only took a few days to earn a Lunar ring. The problem with the QQ'ers is that they can't admit that they suck (sorry). -I suck, I don't care. I'm not QQ'ing over something people could spend a fortune of real life cash on to obtain something that non cash shoppers can acquire with ease. Admitting you're fail is the first step toward recovery.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'm sorry i simply can't understand you

Duh, what i mean is when someone get one of those item they can become rich quickly.
And with that money, They start do merchant business and get more money.
Most people problem i see is getting the starting money, these pack help a lot to get the starting money quickly.
Just like in real world, when you going to make a money making business your starting money decide how much you will get.

But i guess i am not at good mood right now, well you know . . b:surrender
And most non cash shopper newbie problem these day is getting the starting money.
(those that know how to merchanting of course )

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary

cash shop or get out.

SolomonSmash - Heavens Tear

It's a safe bet that a sizable majority of the ones you see running around are cash-shoppers. I say this because I know a few myself, and have heard of others. However, I'll point out that it is very possible to make lots of coins without cash-shopping. I myself used to run around with gears that, while fairly good, would be considered noobish at my level. Merchanting does help a lot, but you have to devote a lot of time to it to do it right. The real money started coming in when I hit 100, with Bh rewards + Nirvana farming. Now I got some respectable equipment and extras, and the better you upgrade, the more coins you can make too. Also, if you don't have a solid team that works together to achieve things, it's a lot harder.

With all that being said, there are basically 2 forms of currency in this game: Time and Money (Zen). You can use either, or a mix of both, but you will pay for what you want with at least one of those things.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Duh, what i mean is when someone get one of those item they can become rich quickly.
And with that money, They start do merchant business and get more money.

You can start merchanting with 100k. You don't need to be rich to start.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You can start merchanting with 100k. You don't need to be rich to start.

Well what i say is how fast was the merchant business grow, more starting money the faster it grow.
Don't forget other rival businessman. b:victory With 100k there tons of other rival.

PlumDumb - Heavens Tear

yeah i see alot of people filled up with the epic gear and have most of it + real high.I actually think if some how their account got deleted they would kill themselves or some one.Usually people that spend that much money are using disability checks an such or just experienced the credit card.

skilgannon65

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I simply don't understand how so many people have neon purgatory's, lunar glade robes, and Lunar rings.

How do so many people afford these? arent the neon purgatory's like 50 mil +?

and the rings are like 70 mil?

Is everyone cash shoppers or what?

Some CS some work their butt's off ingame.

During x2 I earnt enough money in 3-3 and nirvana to buy a Lunar cape and to buy the mats for 99 chest.

But yeah you have to put the effort in and not be lazy

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well what i say is how fast was the merchant business grow, more starting money the faster it grow.
Don't forget other rival businessman. b:victory With 100k there tons of other rival.

Depends on what you want to merchant.



Seriously, don't merchant tokens IMO. Yes they're widely available, in high demand, and in a worst case scenario you just have to wait till packs leave to make a profit.

But the problem is, EVERYONE, tries to merchant tokens, sometimes I can see 10 shops on RT buying for 12.5k and another 10 selling for 13k.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Depends on what you want to merchant.



Seriously, don't merchant tokens IMO. Yes they're widely available, in high demand, and in a worst case scenario you just have to wait till packs leave to make a profit.

But the problem is, EVERYONE, tries to merchant tokens, sometimes I can see 10 shops on RT buying for 12.5k and another 10 selling for 13k.

Yes, there too much token these day. b:surrender On HT couple cat shop sell it for 10k or 11k. b:bye
To the point people think 1 token = 10k, example they want to trade 1 tiger pack for 40 token.

Maragon - Dreamweaver

a game where the best and easiest way by far to get what you want is by a cash shop or merchanting is a broken gameb:bye

VlLKASS - Sanctuary

During x2 earning 50 mil took about 4 days of TT. My guess would be faster with Nirvana but I don't like doing it.

Stop QQing & get to work.

Jiblet - Sanctuary

Yep - it's faster with Nirvana....NOW SELL ME YOUR RAPTURES!!!b:laugh

RedsRose - Lost City

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

You can start merchanting with 100k. You don't need to be rich to start.

^ This

Jiblet - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yep - it's faster with Nirvana....NOW SELL ME YOUR RAPTURES!!!b:laugh

I make 5x+ the amount of $$ then those that farm Nirvana b:shutup


Here is what it comes down too --> You cannot be lazy...it does take at least a small amount of work b:surrender

Rawrgh - Raging Tide

Speaking of nirvana did they ever fix the bugged boss?

Telarith - Sanctuary

Depends on the server really. Sanc, Heavens, and Lost both were around longer, had more high lvls doing TT runs for cash, and building money. Sales were also very nice money makers, and I was lucky to be there to take advantage of a majorly amazing battle pack sale. Basically if you had 120K coin, you would have ended the day with over 20 million coins. That was the price of gold per coin, and you could sell out shop of over 10K feathers in minutes. I loved that day.

Newer servers likely have a lot more cash shopping, as they never had the means to build up cash the way these first servers did. So their fortunes are almost solely from packs. Though with 2X drop days, and an existing economy, people can make tons of money if they are smart. Heck, I did nothing but single runs and still have around 130 million worth in drops alone. Mirages pretty much covered the cost of getting subs from token buying as well. Gonna sell it all, and invest it back into merchanting. And just keep building cash, until next 2X where I upgrade gear once again and go back to broke so I can earn more during double drops.

RedsRose - Lost City

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

Speaking of nirvana did they ever fix the bugged boss?

People have said yes....this though (if fixed) along with the AH search feature were not in the Patch notes b:surrender

Asheera - Raging Tide

VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »

During x2 earning 50 mil took about 4 days of TT. My guess would be faster with Nirvana but I don't like doing it.

Stop QQing & get to work.

I'd like to know one thing. Are you and the other ones who said they farm so easily, the OP ones with event gear and all that stuff already? I mean, I know if for example you solo TT you get a lot of money fast but... this is about those that do not have event gear and/or 5 atk/sec

Problem is how to start making money? I mean just remember all of us start with **** gear not with elite event one and for example a 3-3 taking 2-3 hours or more to do at first >.> Consider when no gold drops... or that we need a full squad (again we're weak at start) to share the profit with.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'd like to know one thing. Are you and the other ones who said they farm so easily, the OP ones with event gear and all that stuff already? I mean, I know if for example you solo TT you get a lot of money fast but... this is about those that do not have event gear and/or 5 atk/sec

Problem is how to start making money? I mean just remember all of us start with **** gear not with elite event one and for example a 3-3 taking 2-3 hours or more to do at first >.> Consider when no gold drops... or that we need a full squad (again we're weak at start) to share the profit with.

It all depends on your level and equips. If you don't have good equips and you are a DD, run TT for a modest profit or sell hell/heaven herbs. It's not much, but better than nothing. If you have a bit of starting money, start merchanting. If you have godly gears, you can get more money. After all, nothing in this game should come without cash shopping.

Singsung - Sanctuary

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I simply don't understand how so many people have neon purgatory's, lunar glade robes, and Lunar rings.

How do so many people afford these? arent the neon purgatory's like 50 mil +?

and the rings are like 70 mil?

Is everyone cash shoppers or what?

Yes, everyone cash shops!

Nannako - Lost City

_Bloody_Fox_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I simply don't understand how so many people have neon purgatory's, lunar glade robes, and Lunar rings.

How do so many people afford these? arent the neon purgatory's like 50 mil +?

and the rings are like 70 mil?

Is everyone cash shoppers or what?

As a few have already said, it just takes some hard work, merchant, save, be thrifty and it can be done. The lunar rings/weaps/capes werent always that expensive. When i bought my lunar weap insignia it was around 40Mil and the lunar capes were around 30ish. If you are good with saving your game gold, you can always try a few packs too. Buy some zen with earned game gold. True it is all luck, but i've seen quite a few people get some very nice items on just a few packs (b:surrender wish it were me). Bottom line, no u do not HAVE to cash shop. It just takes a goal, some hard work and some creativity to get something that you want.

Telarith - Sanctuary

Asheera - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'd like to know one thing. Are you and the other ones who said they farm so easily, the OP ones with event gear and all that stuff already? I mean, I know if for example you solo TT you get a lot of money fast but... this is about those that do not have event gear and/or 5 atk/sec

Problem is how to start making money? I mean just remember all of us start with **** gear not with elite event one and for example a 3-3 taking 2-3 hours or more to do at first >.> Consider when no gold drops... or that we need a full squad (again we're weak at start) to share the profit with.

But you automatically jumped to the assumed way to make money, which means others are doing it as well. It's usually when you find something else, that profit can be made.

For me, mine is an alt that got the monies made from my main, which gave a bit of a kick start. It really becomes a matter of working your way up each event. X2 event? Run tons of 1-1s early on. Next time, you should be better geared and can either try 1-3, or do more 1-1s. And you keep either moving higher, or simply being able to do existing runs faster.

The other thing is having the will to do so many. I'm not talking about 2-5 runs per day. I was doing 10+ minimum per day when doing solo runs. It got repetitive, but then I hate TT for the most part. Least party ones because of the squabbling. But single runs are profitable during X2, and knowing I won't be doing a TT again until maybe next X2 makes it worth getting it all done at once.

Alot of my faction had how to do it explained, and started doing the same thing. They don't have as good of gear, mostly just TT gear farmed, so weren't able to gain as much. But they also didn't spend as long doing it either. They were still clearing 40+ mil in just the last X2 doing single mode. So yes, it can be done without having some really nice end game gear. It might take longer, and have higher cost, but it will still give a large profit if you put in the time. And doing 1 or 2 squad runs isn't going to be the same, without some very nice drops since it has to be split.

XylolyX - Heavens Tear

Nannako - Lost City wrote: »

As a few have already said, it just takes some hard work, merchant, save, be thrifty and it can be done. The lunar rings/weaps/capes werent always that expensive. When i bought my lunar weap insignia it was around 40Mil and the lunar capes were around 30ish. If you are good with saving your game gold, you can always try a few packs too. Buy some zen with earned game gold. True it is all luck, but i've seen quite a few people get some very nice items on just a few packs (b:surrender wish it were me). Bottom line, no u do not HAVE to cash shop. It just takes a goal, some hard work and some creativity to get something that you want.

This +1

second line

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear

It depend also on class. Melee classes has HUGE advantage in earn coins then mages. So they can be very rich in short time. Mages are the worst classes to making money. They cannot do anything alone even at the end-game. If you want to be rich don't play as a mage.

LifeHunting - Heavens Tear

If you want to be rich....spend $200 on battle pet packs, get yourself a herc. Make a veno alt, give the veno the herc and go to town in the TT's at lvl 60+

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

a game where the best and easiest way by far to get what you want is by a cash shop or merchanting is a broken gameb:bye

The reason why it's broken like this and why everyone is running around with these gears is simple.

Too many people 'want to have the best things and don't want to have to work for them like it's a job because it's a video game and they don't want it to feel like work'.

There's quite a few people here that share that kind of sentiment, they don't want to farm for their gear, they don't want any difficult or long-term goals, they want instant gratifcation, and I'm sure this thread is full of them, I know the forum is.