The world boss robbery

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  • nerdraging
    nerdraging Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Are you really that much of an idiot?

    Not a single response in my thread was regarding the griefing use of a genie skill, I only state that to illuminate the darkness in that confusing little mind of yours. Read the title to the thread. Read my posts in context to the title of the thread. I was commenting on the issue of 'world boss robbery' not 'expel is being used to greif' which there is already a thread about. Really now.... geez.

    Sorry, not cutting and pasting repeatedly to answer your post. If you don't know how to quote correctly then you don't deserve the effort of a response.

    Yes I know, you never said anything about the expel skill being used to grief. All along you were trying to tell everyone how its done in LC and expecting everyone to do it your way.


    Are you really that much of an egotistic dooshbag?
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Does the world boss have your faction's name on it, or does it belong to you?

    Sorry, crashing or getting crashed at world bosses is part of the fun in this game.

    Telling every one what your idea of fun is and expecting every one to have fun your way? Egoistic much?
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    My comment wasn't about using expel to possibly grief. Just that world bosses aren't anyone's particular property and if someone crashes you, or you crash someone else, that's part of the game.

    Here you're telling every one what the game is all about. Where in the TOS does that state what you said is part of the game? Just because you said so? Egoistic much?

    Yeah, cause I don't play this game to have fun. lol >.>
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Well, we did do 15 world bosses in a little less than 2 hours a few days ago, but I completely agree. Most of the easier world bosses die right after they spawn, and keeping times and making sure you record it every time you kill it is very important.

    I can't imagine how easy they'd be on a PvE server, but it's fun doing a bunch of world bosses... and it's even more fun crashing an enemy's party... It just wouldn't be fun without the thrill of crashes or being crashed from time to time. Some of the best gaming I've ever had on PWI have stemmed from wb crashes.

    People don't want to know how many WBs you killed in one day. What can you contribute to this discussion about the expel skill being used to grief? Again you're telling everyone your idea of fun and expecting everyone to have fun your way? Egoistic much?

    Now I know why you have such a BIG E ego. I took a look at the level in your avatar and it suddenly dawned on me. The saying that one's E ego is related to one's character level in the game is true. b:laugh

    Instead of contributing to the discussion at hand, you're telling every one how the game should be played and how to have fun. Egoistic much?
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  • Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear
    Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    my goodness stop arguing here oO
    well this is not my affair so I ll better stay back..
  • Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear
    Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    b:sleepb:sleep
  • Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear
    Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    this is getting very quiet here :o
  • Aya__ - Heavens Tear
    Aya__ - Heavens Tear Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The issue I have with it is that it is a harmful buff that can be cast only on "friendly targets". It can easily be abused. If it was meant to be used against people it should be a negative buff not a positive one.
    it IS a positive buff used by normal, decent ppl to survive... one more of my genies skills to save my squishy a$$, along with tree or absolute domain... you pay for damage reduction with being sealed - and that can be purified (not purged, purge will remove shield effect which is a buff leaving seal which is a debuff)
    yes, limiting expel to squad members would limit exploits but i dont really want anymore changes to genies skills, maybe im selfish but i dont want my genie messed up AGAIN because some people used an exploit to steal wb drops
    want to feel safe? take one cleric more, doesnt even have to be in party. seal icon is easily recognizable, they will know when to puri main cleric. then take a ss of griefer so you have at least one day free of their wonderful presence :P
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  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    To blame the blessing filter is to admit that Expel is a positive buff (like heal) when it is not. You yourself say you use it to hinder enemies (despite the skill description saying it is to be used on allies). There is nothing wrong with skills to be used on enemies. I have lots of skills that I can use on enemies. But if expel is used as such then it should count as a hindering spell:

    1) It should work in duels against an opponent.
    2) It should work in TW.
    3) It should not work on blue names.

    That's what you should be able to do with hindering skills but the problem with Expel is that it counts as a positive buff and used to grief. This is the issue people have with it. Not that it is used to PK, that it is easily abused to GRIEF. Please don't bother replying unless you have something to say about the abuse.
    Aya__ - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    it IS a positive buff used by normal, decent ppl to survive... one more of my genies skills to save my squishy a$$, along with tree or absolute domain... you pay for damage reduction with being sealed - and that can be purified (not purged, purge will remove shield effect which is a buff leaving seal which is a debuff)

    This reminds me of when I was helping the folks at UO design and test their reputation system (criminal flagging and red naming).

    One would like to think that all skills and all uses of said skills can easily be classified as "good" or "bad". For certain skills (target-only buffs, target-only attacks/debuffs) they can be. But when you get to more ambiguous cases (e.g. AOE skills), they can't be classified. If you follow the logical progression of the engagement backwards, it turns out the piece of information you need to determine if the skill was used in a "good" way or "bad" way is the intent of the person using the skill. There's no way for a computer to know your intent, and so it's impossible to classify those cases as "good" or "bad".

    With Expel, you've got a skill with both a good effect (immunity to physical damage) and bad effect (seal). It's automatically an ambiguous skill. If used in a case where the bad effect is inconsequential to the target (e.g. about to die from pulling aggro), it's a helpful skill. If used in a case where the good effect is inconsequential to the target (DDer pouring on damage in a PQ), it's a harmful skill. So again, the only way for the game to know how it's being used is to know the intent of both the target and the person using the skill. Which the game can't do because computers are lousy at figuring out people's intent. Heck, we often hold jury trials and they frequently can't figure out people's intent.

    So there's no way for the game to classify/restrict this skill to everyone's satisfaction. Someone is gonna lose something. Fix the skill one way, and people will lose some of the ways it can be used to hinder a hostile attacker. Fix it another way, and people will lose some of the ways it can be used to help an ally. Leave it unchanged, and people can abuse it in situations like the OP posted. There is no fix (or non-fix) for this skill which will make everyone happy. Every option PWE has with the skill has some negative consequences.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    nerdraging wrote: »
    Yes I know, you never said anything about the expel skill being used to grief. All along you were trying to tell everyone how its done in LC and expecting everyone to do it your way.

    Are you really that much of an egotistic dooshbag?

    Now I know why you have such a BIG E ego. I took a look at the level in your avatar and it suddenly dawned on me. The saying that one's E ego is related to one's character level in the game is true. b:laugh

    Instead of contributing to the discussion at hand, you're telling every one how the game should be played and how to have fun. Egoistic much?

    lol you're kidding. I'm NOT saying you have to play the game in any particular way. Play the game how YOU want to play it. The title of the thread is "The world boss robbery"... who owns the world boss, who is to say that you have any particular right to it? If someone else is using a skill to grief another, that's against the TOS and should be a bannable offense. Until it's fixed, there's not much you can do about it. Do I use Expel? No. Do I have it on my genie? No. Have I told anyone else how to or how not to play their game to my standards? No

    Fail in making a valid point much so you have to resort to attacking my level and taking my replies out of context? lol Rage more please.
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Expel is an AMAZING skill!!!


    *runs from thread smiling*
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  • Kupuntu - Sanctuary
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary Posts: 3,008 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    lol you're kidding. I'm NOT saying you have to play the game in any particular way. Play the game how YOU want to play it. The title of the thread is "The world boss robbery"... who owns the world boss, who is to say that you have any particular right to it? If someone else is using a skill to grief another, that's against the TOS and should be a bannable offense. Until it's fixed, there's not much you can do about it. Do I use Expel? No. Do I have it on my genie? No. Have I told anyone else how to or how not to play their game to my standards? No

    Fail in making a valid point much so you have to resort to attacking my level and taking my replies out of context? lol Rage more please.

    Why is it that you always attract all the trolls and QQers? b:chuckle
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why is it that you always attract all the trolls and QQers? b:chuckle

    lmao... cause I'm an **** and I'm opinionated.... and I'm usually right. b:chuckle
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    lmao... cause I'm an **** and I'm opinionated.... and I'm usually right. b:chuckle

    Its the siggy b:dirty
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    Its the siggy b:dirty

    lol


    I love the siggy

    b:pleased
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This reminds me of when I was helping the folks at UO design and test their reputation system (criminal flagging and red naming).

    One would like to think that all skills and all uses of said skills can easily be classified as "good" or "bad". For certain skills (target-only buffs, target-only attacks/debuffs) they can be. But when you get to more ambiguous cases (e.g. AOE skills), they can't be classified. If you follow the logical progression of the engagement backwards, it turns out the piece of information you need to determine if the skill was used in a "good" way or "bad" way is the intent of the person using the skill. There's no way for a computer to know your intent, and so it's impossible to classify those cases as "good" or "bad".

    With Expel, you've got a skill with both a good effect (immunity to physical damage) and bad effect (seal). It's automatically an ambiguous skill. If used in a case where the bad effect is inconsequential to the target (e.g. about to die from pulling aggro), it's a helpful skill. If used in a case where the good effect is inconsequential to the target (DDer pouring on damage in a PQ), it's a harmful skill. So again, the only way for the game to know how it's being used is to know the intent of both the target and the person using the skill. Which the game can't do because computers are lousy at figuring out people's intent. Heck, we often hold jury trials and they frequently can't figure out people's intent.

    So there's no way for the game to classify/restrict this skill to everyone's satisfaction. Someone is gonna lose something. Fix the skill one way, and people will lose some of the ways it can be used to hinder a hostile attacker. Fix it another way, and people will lose some of the ways it can be used to help an ally. Leave it unchanged, and people can abuse it in situations like the OP posted. There is no fix (or non-fix) for this skill which will make everyone happy. Every option PWE has with the skill has some negative consequences.


    While this is true I can't think of any situation where you should be able to expel a blue name not in your squad. One way or another that case should be eliminated. I would prefer Expel to become 2 different genie skills...

    1) One that works on self or squad that counts as a positive buff.
    2) One that works on enemies / mobs / duels / TW / PK that counts as a negative buff.

    This is the only skill I know about in the game that you can cast on a blue name that has a negative effect. The only other thing I can think about is clerics overbuffing apothecary regen but this skill is much more often abused.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    *expels Astypoo* :3
    Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
    Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
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  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    lmao... cause I'm an **** and I'm opinionated.... and I'm usually right. b:chuckle

    We're just so similar b:shocked

    Except I'm more of an **** then just opinionated.
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  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »
    We're just so similar b:shocked

    Except I'm more of an **** then just opinionated.

    For some reason this made me think of Donkey from Shrek.

    donkey-irishman.jpg
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  • Moog - Lost City
    Moog - Lost City Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    You can also use expel to lure guards into West district and make them kill redname catshops. Just need a couple people to chain expel on you :D...

    Not that I have done this or anything... >_>
  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    For some reason this made me think of Donkey from Shrek.

    -pic-

    is it just me or did his eye brows get bushier?
  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Moog - Lost City wrote: »
    You can also use expel to lure guards into West district and make them kill redname catshops. Just need a couple people to chain expel on you :D...

    Not that I have done this or anything... >_>

    You sir, do not sound suspicious at all. /sarcasm
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    is it just me or did his eye brows get bushier?

    Maybe.. or maybe it's just the picture.
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  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Maybe.. or maybe it's just the picture.

    sounds like a job for

    tweezerman.jpg

    xD
  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    sounds like a job for

    [picture]

    xD

    Aw man Santa. I was drinking water just now too. :( Not only did it make me LOL, it made me choke as well. At least it would fix the unibrow that Donkey has going on in that picture. b:chuckle
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  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Aw man Santa. I was drinking water just now too. :( Not only did it make me LOL, it made me choke as well. At least it would fix the unibrow that Donkey has going on in that picture. b:chuckle

    always glad to provide a giggle :P just don't die on me =*(

    now to decide what to have to eat >_>
  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    always glad to provide a giggle :P just don't die on me =*(

    now to decide what to have to eat >_>

    Don't make me laugh when I'm drinking something then. :P Pot noodles.
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  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Don't make me laugh when I'm drinking something then. :P Pot noodles.

    your gonna have to put a up a "im drinking" warning then :P

    i ran out :( scoffed the last one this morning

    so far its cheese biscuit thingies, toast and garlic sausage slices or i dunno cook something but im too lazy xD

    ooor cerial!!!
  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    so far its cheese biscuit thingies, toast and garlic sausage slices or i dunno cook something but im too lazy xD

    ooor cereal!!!

    I don't normally correct your spelling but.. at least spell food names correctly!! I say cook something decent for "dinner". That or the toast & garlic sausage slices sound ok to me.

    Not sure if I ever posted anything on this thread prior to the Donkey picture but I basically agree with what Michael stated. World bosses is fair game and doesn't have anyone or any guild's name on it.
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  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I don't normally correct your spelling but.. at least spell food names correctly!! I say cook something decent for "dinner". That or the toast & garlic sausage slices sound ok to me.

    XD wheres my damn harassment whistle lol b:surrender

    yea i guess toast it is ^^ and when did this thread turn into msn >_>
  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    XD wheres my damn harassment whistle lol b:surrender

    yea i guess toast it is ^^ and when did this thread turn into msn >_>

    Your harassment whistle is more like a dog whistle. No one can hear it. :D

    I say when it was first created. OP made a topic that is quite controversial and basically "food for troll". Also because we don't have each other's MSN. :)
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  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Your harassment whistle is more like a dog whistle. No one can hear it. :D

    I say when it was first created. OP made a topic that is quite controversial and basically "food for troll". Also because we don't have each other's MSN. :)

    heh were just nice spammers :(

    also you got mail (in about 5mins)
  • Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear
    Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear Posts: 916 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    heh were just nice spammers :(

    also you got mail (in about 5mins)

    You sound like AOL now. They're famous for this line. Lol. :P
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  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    for Some Reason This Made Me Think Of Donkey From Shrek.

    YOU KNOW MY SECRET DAMN YOU

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