The world boss robbery

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear

After reading these thread, i feel most players were way too greedy these days.
Plus i am were in bad mood since i wake up.

NightRage - Raging Tide

Surprised face. An imbalance in PWI gameplay.

_bowser - Heavens Tear

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Well, we did do 15 world bosses in a little less than 2 hours a few days ago, but I completely agree. Most of the easier world bosses die right after they spawn, and keeping times and making sure you record it every time you kill it is very important.

I can't imagine how easy they'd be on a PvE server, but it's fun doing a bunch of world bosses... and it's even more fun crashing an enemy's party... It just wouldn't be fun without the thrill of crashes or being crashed from time to time. Some of the best gaming I've ever had on PWI have stemmed from wb crashes.

you and nosey or whatever r jus sad cases its griefin or kaiserin or so i heard but cause its a world boss u try justifying it in ur own moronic way rofl i pity gamers like u really call me wat u will say im whatever u r and always will be a sad case

threepointone

_bowser - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you and nosey or whatever r jus sad cases its griefin or kaiserin or so i heard but cause its a world boss u try justifying it in ur own moronic way rofl i pity gamers like u really call me wat u will say im whatever u r and always will be a sad case

I pity people who don't use proper punctuation, they will always be a sad face.

ACLucius - Archosaur

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Well, we did do 15 world bosses in a little less than 2 hours a few days ago, but I completely agree. Most of the easier world bosses die right after they spawn, and keeping times and making sure you record it every time you kill it is very important.

I can't imagine how easy they'd be on a PvE server, but it's fun doing a bunch of world bosses... and it's even more fun crashing an enemy's party... It just wouldn't be fun without the thrill of crashes or being crashed from time to time. Some of the best gaming I've ever had on PWI have stemmed from wb crashes.

We at Enemy resent this remark, and demand a formal apology on your talk show. b:angry

On topic, I agree with Micheal_dark. Stealing world bosses or killing the players trying to do one is part of the game. If you don't like it, go play another game. As far as the PvE server problems of Expel affecting players who aren't in PK mode, it is a bug obviously, but until they choose to fix it, nothing can be done. Pull the mob somewhere that it won't be found, and kill it quickly. Otherwise, just don't do them.

Hypnos - Raging Tide

....it is not a bug....it is a buff, like a cleric buff, but with side effect on it. And no I don't like to change expel =/

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

The issue I have with it is that it is a harmful buff that can be cast only on "friendly targets". It can easily be abused. If it was meant to be used against people it should be a negative buff not a positive one.

Fcplopes - Heavens Tear

ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »

We at Enemy resent this remark, and demand a formal apology on your talk show. b:angry

On topic, I agree with Micheal_dark. Stealing world bosses or killing the players trying to do one is part of the game. If you don't like it, go play another game. As far as the PvE server problems of Expel affecting players who aren't in PK mode, it is a bug obviously, but until they choose to fix it, nothing can be done. Pull the mob somewhere that it won't be found, and kill it quickly. Otherwise, just don't do them.

lol ok, u can steal boss by over-damaging it or pking the players who are pks and are killing it, but do u imagine what it could be in the future? u see how many ppl are greedy nowadays?
I mean for example now a wholy fac could come, using the genie skill at the fac or squad who s killing the wb and this would be repeated every time.

I changed a lil bit my mind, stealing worldbosses, ok no problem, but not like that. This is like steal a lollipop from a baby, sorry... and then ppl say we have to deserve to keep the squad alive to kill it, but I say the others should deserve to steal the boss by a lil harder, but fair way, a way so that its fair for all

and now dont say again expell is part of the game, for me its a skill with bad configuration. like I said before and a other person here expell should only be usable within the squad.

sry for my bad english

BloodyVampie - Heavens Tear

i agree u should only take over a wordlboss by outdamaging the crowd tryin to kill it, or on pk servers if u pk them

but not with that geenie skill,

if its bannable to kill ppl on PvE server when u pull a Worldboss into town, then it should be bannable to kill ppl with that skill (since its the same thing at some point)

KissAndKill - Dreamweaver

NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »

Surprised face. An imbalance in PWI gameplay.

*cough* Calamity *cough*

I don't care for world bosses to be honest, not high enough level to care, don't have enough in-game friends, etc. That might change in the near future though, especially with my upcoming boutique events such as the "Boutique Search," where I buy boutique items with my real life money, go to a random location, then tele my general location so that people can try and find me, then buy any of my boutique items for no coins. (If only one guy comes, that's your problem.)

And no, I won't be stupid enough to open a catshop, I'd trade. I've also given various tomes for free. Ask some WolfStar guild members.

Those who laugh at me, you can just stay in your stingy, greedy hole. I don't care what you say, I like to help people, and have fun, even if I waste my real money. You can't put a price on a real friendship, and no matter what you do, I will not friend you just because you and I can be friends, you have to earn it. You need to help me at times too (not by giving me expensive items, whatnot, but helping me get to higher levels and stuff. That's all I really want.)

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear

Or..you could just get expel yourself and expel your tank so they don't die? when cleric is expelled? ^^

Hypnos - Raging Tide

Did this thread become some sort of moral dumpter? please spare me, you guys getting off topic ;o

This is pretty much a controversal topic, like the right to own firearm, good and bad are just 2 sides of a paper.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Expel shouldn't be castable on someone who has PK protections enabled and should only work against white named or people that are in-squad with you. I have no problems having this skill changed to this, since apparently it is being used maliciously to grief.

nerdraging wrote: »

OH OH I R play like dat!!! Everyone else MUST play like I DO or U R LAM3!

You crack me up. You always post opinions that everyone must play your way or the high way.

Every time someone posts a negative opinion of the game here you come on your high horse and your oh so mighty ways of playing the game. OH OH I R PL4Y LIK3 D4T U 4LL MUST DO 2 OR U 2 LAM3. I R L33T PL4Y3R OF D4 Y34R

lol, you're pretty much clueless. It is the OP who is trying to pigeon-hole what this game is supposed to be about, when in fact, it's much more than that. I'm not commenting on the use of expel to grief, duh... did I really need to reiterate that for you? Hmm.. I think I probably did.

Who is he (or you for that matter) to dictate how a game is supposed to be played? If you hadn't noticed, this is a multiplayer game and you have to deal with and interact with others. Trying to limit the scope of the way you like to play this particular game to everyone is just idiotic as is your adolescent teen text leet speak. I'm sorry, any valid point you wish to think you might have had was pretty much lost by your obvious lack of intelligence. lol

_bowser - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you and nosey or whatever r jus sad cases its griefin or kaiserin or so i heard but cause its a world boss u try justifying it in ur own moronic way rofl i pity gamers like u really call me wat u will say im whatever u r and always will be a sad case

So, bowser, what exactly is your point? I r try to comBRehund ur post, but i dunt now wat point u r trieng to acteually maek.

Since you seem to have problems trying to convey something in plain and simple english, I'll say this in hopes that you may actually understand. The title of this thread is "World boss robbery" not "expel is used for greifing", which is why I've been commenting on the actual focus of this thread. Get it yet? I doubt it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt whether or not you actually deserve it.

ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »

We at Enemy resent this remark, and demand a formal apology on your talk show. b:angry

b:chuckle no.

On topic, I agree with Micheal_dark. Stealing world bosses or killing the players trying to do one is part of the game. If you don't like it, go play another game. As far as the PvE server problems of Expel affecting players who aren't in PK mode, it is a bug obviously, but until they choose to fix it, nothing can be done. Pull the mob somewhere that it won't be found, and kill it quickly. Otherwise, just don't do them.

Exactly. There are no signs saying "you cannot kill this world boss if someone else is tryong to kill it". I've had world bosses stolen from my faction and we've done the same to our enemies. In the end it's just two different groups of people having fun. Funny how if you don't play the game how someone else wants you to you get ridiculed or whatever, especially when it's them with some sort of narrow or simplistic view of how everyone should follow their idea of what everyone is supposed to do.

ThanosQRt - Dreamweaver

what's next, Q.Q about the psy buffs (sov,sos)?
oh noes, my mana! it's a mana drain, not a buff!
and how about the cleric buff that overrides powders?

dura lex sed lexb:bye

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear

Fcplopes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok guys listen to me. maybe u know it already. now its time to make some changes I hope.
Some ppl are able to rob ur worldboss by using a genie skill called expell. That skills makes all players (except ppl who are in pk or duelling I guess) immobilized for a short time. Thats enough that clerics cant heal the tank, so that this one dies. Thats how my fac failed at a worldboss. Problem is, u never know that is happening, so u cant proof by making a vid that the one who uses such dirty tricks did it really. GM's, pls remove that skill from pwi.
thats so unfair, ppl get mentaly destroyed when they fail even if they did great efforts....
hoping that I get an answer soon, and other ppl who had same experience as me shall share it here with us by posting it here.
Sorry for my bad english, but I guess its understandable.

If that skill really does immobilize all players in the area, then it's another broken feature of this game. Why give people something that can do such a thing, even if you have to use your genie to do it? It should be limited to PVP server's where pretty much anything goes, and even then, only usable on your actual opponents. There's no place in PVE for something like that.

EDIT: Just found a better description of the skill. Still think it should be limited to PVP OR modified so that you can only cast it on yourself or a squad member. NOT on other players as described above. That's called misusing or abusing the skill.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

PunkinKatt - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If that skill really does immobilize all players in the area, then it's another broken feature of this game. Why give people something that can do such a thing, even if you have to use your genie to do it? It should be limited to PVP server's where pretty much anything goes, and even then, only usable on your actual opponents. There's no place in PVE for something like that.

EDIT: Just found a better description of the skill. Still think it should be limited to PVP OR modified so that you can only cast it on yourself or a squad member. NOT on other players as described above. That's called misusing or abusing the skill.

It is kinda obvious that it was only to be casted to squad members. However, due to a bug, you can cast it on all players. I wish all AoE buffs could be casted to all players around too, not just to squad members.

Gasoline - Lost City

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Fully agree with changing expel. It is supposed to be used only for "friendly targets" but it is used most often to grief or during PK.

I think expel should be self-cast only.

Main use of expel was never the self-cast. Its a pvp-skill casters use to seal mele attackers to get out of BM stun lock, very useful for wizards that lock controlling skills. The fact that the target becomes immune to phy dmg doesn't really matter for a caster of course, they just want it sealed and can keep nuking.

Im sure many casters on pvp server would rage if expel became self cast only.

But i agree that its not being used as intended, people can grief others without flagging for pvp which is rather weird. One of the most used genie-skills to mess up someones score during event to it seems.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Gasoline - Lost City wrote: »

Main use of expel was never the self-cast. Its a pvp-skill casters use to seal mele attackers to get out of BM stun lock, very useful for wizards that lock controlling skills. The fact that the target becomes immune to phy dmg doesn't really matter for a caster of course, they just want it sealed and can keep nuking.

I know very well how it is "used" but now read the damn skill description.

Expel Level 1
Metal 5 - Water 6

Expels a ally from the physical world.
Silences the target but grants
immunity to physical damage for 4.5 seconds.
For non-hostile units.

Is it being used to expel "allies"? If the skill is meant to be used as a debuff against enemies it should count as a debuff which means you shouldnt be able to cast it on blue names. Consider that expel does not work against opponents in TW, in duels, or against mobs.

I have no problem with an expel that you can cast on hostile targets as long as it follows the normal PVP protections.

Kupuntu - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is it being used to expel "allies"? If the skill is meant to be used as a debuff against enemies it should count as a debuff which means you shouldnt be able to cast it on blue names. Consider that expel does not work against opponents in TW, in duels, or against mobs.

Expel is a buff, not a debuff. Just like veno 79 skill Feral Concentration. It's just people happen to abuse Expel.

PlumDumb - Heavens Tear

wb=dumb.charm ticking events that some guild leader want to put intems in the "bank".If i fight a wb drops are drops and go to no one if they come into my inventory!

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Kupuntu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Expel is a buff, not a debuff. Just like veno 79 skill Feral Concentration. It's just people happen to abuse Expel.

It certainly counts as a buff in the game mechanics but if you look at what gasoline said it is being used offensively in PK and against blue names.

Nakhimov - Lost City

This is the best thread all day, a combination of bawwww and broken game mechanics.

Your sweet, sweet BR tears, let me drink them.

Michael_Dark - Lost City

Gasoline - Lost City wrote: »

Main use of expel was never the self-cast. Its a pvp-skill casters use to seal mele attackers to get out of BM stun lock, very useful for wizards that lock controlling skills. The fact that the target becomes immune to phy dmg doesn't really matter for a caster of course, they just want it sealed and can keep nuking.

EPs also like using it to protect a tank if they come dangerously close to dying. At least a few good EPs that I know have used it to help keep a party from wiping.

Fcplopes - Heavens Tear

yea well I gotta say some little things too

that with "mentally destroyed", ok I went a lil bit to far b:chuckle
it was meant to be "sad" or "disappointed"

I hope gms will act as they satisfie many ppl who play pwi, surely not everyone, but nearly everyone, better then only a few people

and last thing, yea maybe I should change the thread's title, cuz this is focused more on the genie skill, it was also meant to focus in the genie skill.
but it has to do smth with the wb robbery, so if I had the 2nd chance to change it I would call this tread: worldboss robbery with expell
its maybe a better title

but I guess on my first pm here we re talking about the right thing

Fcplopes - Heavens Tear

oh yes, 1 more thing, one here said u can just expell the tank to kill the wb. yea ok, thats well thought, but if pwi makes things so easy, its not so funny to play it. It should have a balanced grade of difficulty, it must be like a challenge and there must be some strategy too..
thats my opinion^^

Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear

with balanced grade of difficulty I mean, that skill shall be used maybe when targets hp are lower than 50% or maybe extend the cooldown of the skill a lil bit more^^

PS: I m Fcplopes

Shadowfire - Dreamweaver

I use expel for pvp, delta, and Valley of the Scarred aoe grinding usually. If they decide to change how expel works, they should also make it so that in tw it works how it does in pve, and you can cast it on yourself with an enemy targeted. It isn't practical to have to change target to myself to cast it, imo.

Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear

yea sure, it must be in favor of all I guess
This is gonna be tricky xD

ACLucius - Archosaur

Fcplopes - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol ok, u can steal boss by over-damaging it or pking the players who are pks and are killing it, but do u imagine what it could be in the future? u see how many ppl are greedy nowadays?
I mean for example now a wholy fac could come, using the genie skill at the fac or squad who s killing the wb and this would be repeated every time.

I changed a lil bit my mind, stealing worldbosses, ok no problem, but not like that. This is like steal a lollipop from a baby, sorry... and then ppl say we have to deserve to keep the squad alive to kill it, but I say the others should deserve to steal the boss by a lil harder, but fair way, a way so that its fair for all

and now dont say again expell is part of the game, for me its a skill with bad configuration. like I said before and a other person here expell should only be usable within the squad.

sry for my bad english

If a faction comes and does that to you, then you just run your asses back there and do it to them as well. Until they officially make it a bannable offense or fix it, there is nothing you can do about it except use it when it's done to you. Next thing you know, people will be complaining because a group comes in, stuns/seals the Cleric(s) (who is in PK mode), causing the Barb and all others to die to the WB. This is exactly the same thing.

The only problem is that it can be done to people who are not in PK mode, which is a major problem. This means either they have to get rid of this skill completely, or they have to change it in a way people won't be happy with. In either case, you either keep things the way they are, or make even more people unhappy. Until PWE sees an actual problem with this, I doubt they will move to change anything.

Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear

ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »

If a faction comes and does that to you, then you just run your asses back there and do it to them as well. Until they officially make it a bannable offense or fix it, there is nothing you can do about it except use it when it's done to you. Next thing you know, people will be complaining because a group comes in, stuns/seals the Cleric(s) (who is in PK mode), causing the Barb and all others to die to the WB. This is exactly the same thing.

The only problem is that it can be done to people who are not in PK mode, which is a major problem. This means either they have to get rid of this skill completely, or they have to change it in a way people won't be happy with. In either case, you either keep things the way they are, or make even more people unhappy. Until PWE sees an actual problem with this, I doubt they will move to change anything.

1st u dont know if the changes would make ppl unhappy (sure for them who loves abusing that skill)
2nd yea we could take our revenge, but u see that ppl would repeat over time so that its getting too hard to kill wbs
3rd and as u see, many ppl are complaining cuz of that skill and they could be more, for now the situation isnt critical, but we re here to discuss about it and hoping that worse things do not happen