The world boss robbery
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Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Expel shouldn't be castable on someone who has PK protections enabled and should only work against white named or people that are in-squad with you. I have no problems having this skill changed to this, since apparently it is being used maliciously to grief.
See? Now you're changing your stance when before it was we do it like that so every one must do it like we do. Now you're saying yes, the skill is used to grief when all along the OP was saying it.
lol, you're pretty much clueless. It is the OP who is trying to pigeon-hole what this game is supposed to be about, when in fact, it's much more than that. I'm not commenting on the use of expel to grief, duh... did I really need to reiterate that for you? Hmm.. I think I probably did.
Clueless is when you go into a thread and tell others how you do things and want them to do it your way. Situations differ in a PVE and PVP server. Not everyone plays the game to be l33t like you i.e. be able to kill the WB with one hand, pk the enemy with the other, farm that mat with your right leg, farm that herb with your left and **** all at the same time.
Who is he (or you for that matter) to dictate how a game is supposed to be played? If you hadn't noticed, this is a multiplayer game and you have to deal with and interact with others. Trying to limit the scope of the way you like to play this particular game to everyone is just idiotic as is your adolescent teen text leet speak. I'm sorry, any valid point you wish to think you might have had was pretty much lost by your obvious lack of intelligence. lol
And who are you to dictate how others should play the game? Look at what you originally posted. You were telling everyone how it's done in LC and implied that's how it should be done. L33t much?
So, bowser, what exactly is your point? I r try to comBRehund ur post, but i dunt now wat point u r trieng to acteually maek.
Since you seem to have problems trying to convey something in plain and simple english, I'll say this in hopes that you may actually understand. The title of this thread is "World boss robbery" not "expel is used for greifing", which is why I've been commenting on the actual focus of this thread. Get it yet? I doubt it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt whether or not you actually deserve it.
b:chuckle no.
Exactly. There are no signs saying "you cannot kill this world boss if someone else is tryong to kill it". I've had world bosses stolen from my faction and we've done the same to our enemies. In the end it's just two different groups of people having fun. Funny how if you don't play the game how someone else wants you to you get ridiculed or whatever, especially when it's them with some sort of narrow or simplistic view of how everyone should follow their idea of what everyone is supposed to do.
What's good for the gander doesn't meant its good for the goose as well. Your idea of fun may not necessarily be applicable to someone else. See? you're trying to tell every one what your idea of fun is and telling them this is the way to have fun. Narrow and simplistic much?
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nerdraging wrote: »
See? Now you're changing your stance when before it was we do it like that so every one must do it like we do. Now you're saying yes, the skill is used to grief when all along the OP was saying it.
/ten chars
Are you really that much of an idiot?
Not a single response in my thread was regarding the griefing use of a genie skill, I only state that to illuminate the darkness in that confusing little mind of yours. Read the title to the thread. Read my posts in context to the title of the thread. I was commenting on the issue of 'world boss robbery' not 'expel is being used to greif' which there is already a thread about. Really now.... geez.
Sorry, not cutting and pasting repeatedly to answer your post. If you don't know how to quote correctly then you don't deserve the effort of a response.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear wrote: »1st u dont know if the changes would make ppl unhappy (sure for them who loves abusing that skill)
2nd yea we could take our revenge, but u see that ppl would repeat over time so that its getting too hard to kill wbs
3rd and as u see, many ppl are complaining cuz of that skill and they could be more, for now the situation isnt critical, but we re here to discuss about it and hoping that worse things do not happen
Yes, people would complain. They have two effects they have the option of changing, being either the silence or the immunity. If they remove immunity, it becomes completely PvP oriented, and people will complain about this because there is a reason they have it available to cast on friendly targets. If they remove the silence, it becomes completely squad based and cannot be used by magic characters as a starter to keep their opponent from attacking them. Other than these, they can only change who it can be cast on, which as I said, is the problem in the first place, and that would be welcomed by many.
You can take revenge, and it might just keep repeating over and over, but only if you try to kill that boss again. You get your revenge, run off and fight another boss, or stick around and annoy them a little longer before finding a new one. However, like I said, you can just ignore it and let it go anyways, but revenge is always far more sweeter to the taste buds, as well as being just fun.
Yes, it is a discussion about how this is a problem. However, it is only a problem on PvE servers as in PvP servers it could be cast regardless. Now, as it is a discussion, it is my belief that if you are in PvP mode, whether on a PvP or PvE server, you should be affected by it. If you are not though, it should not affect you. I only see the problem in that second condition, and therefore I say if they can find a creative way to steal a world boss, let them do it.Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Sorry, not cutting and pasting repeatedly to answer your post. If you don't know how to quote correctly then you don't deserve the effort of a response.
Just FYI, I like to do the same of just putting my response in the quote itself in a different color because it's just me being lazy rather than not knowing how to do multi-quote. He might be doing that for the same reason.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Didn't get the rest of it, but apparently I am the "destroyer of sin haters" as well.0 -
Fcplopes - Heavens Tear wrote: »ppl get mentaly destroyed when they fail even if they did great efforts....
What's sad is, with all the molly-coddling, "everyone is a winner" **** nowadays I believe some people really do.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Gaijen - Sanctuary wrote: »
What's sad is, with all the molly-coddling, "everyone is a winner" **** nowadays I believe some people really do.
b:laugh If ya had read before, I apologize for this lil mistake xD
It meant to be "sad" or "disappointed" ^^
well and AClucius, u still dont know in far the changes could be, and as far as I know the many ppl who are complaining would be happy if it changes to their favor, so there will be as much happy ppl then unhappy^^
I hope soon a gm reads this and gives an opinion
(And yes, the titles tread is a lil bit failed, it should be "worldboss robbery with genie skill expell" :P )0 -
oh yes and ACLucius, maybe they won't chnage smth on the effects, but only the targets u can choose for it, idk rly it seems to be tricky....0
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how can you tell if there are more people who happy to the change than unhappy ones IF it happens? o.O I for once will be unhappy, big time =/[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear wrote: »b:laugh If ya had read before, I apologize for this lil mistake xD
It meant to be "sad" or "disappointed" ^^
well and AClucius, u still dont know in far the changes could be, and as far as I know the many ppl who are complaining would be happy if it changes to their favor, so there will be as much happy ppl then unhappy^^
I hope soon a gm reads this and gives an opinion
(And yes, the titles tread is a lil bit failed, it should be "worldboss robbery with genie skill expell" :P )
Any magic based class (with the possible exception of Cleric) would be unhappy as this is made for them as a starter skill in PK. However, while those complaining would be happy, they are a small minority compared to how many different people play the magic classes, most of whom will want this skill to remain the same, perhaps with the exception of the target.Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear wrote: »oh yes and ACLucius, maybe they won't chnage smth on the effects, but only the targets u can choose for it, idk rly it seems to be tricky....
It's simple, they change it to be squad based, which is very easy to do. Can a Cleric do the party buffs without you being in it? No, so it's pretty much copy/paste from that on the targets affected.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Didn't get the rest of it, but apparently I am the "destroyer of sin haters" as well.0 -
about squad buffs for cleric, it only affect squad members because the skill description indicate so:
Increase the health and mana regeneration rate of all squad members
within a 15 meter radius by 10 points per second for 1 hour.
Normal single target buff work outside of squad.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Hypnos - Raging Tide wrote: »about squad buffs for cleric, it only affect squad members because the skill description indicate so:
Increase the health and mana regeneration rate of all squad members
within a 15 meter radius by 10 points per second for 1 hour.
Normal single target buff work outside of squad.
Yes, which means in the skill's file, it has specific targets it seeks out to buff. Obviously you can do the same to Expel to change it to affect only squad members. The description doesn't rule what the skill does. Proof of this is in our many skills which have incorrect descriptions, such as Powerdash.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Didn't get the rest of it, but apparently I am the "destroyer of sin haters" as well.0 -
Dear sir, allow me to say you make an idiot of yourself.Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »Are you really that much of an idiot?
Reading along your posts at least within this thread, you're only trying to beat a dead cow. The cow being your mislead ego. You're trying to defend a wrongfully idea, by justifying it to all your possibly met odds and ends, which by no means does it apply to any singal individual but your very own self.
That being said, the simple facts are, this skill has more abusive edge to harm than it has to benefit. At the very least from the fact you can use it to so called "buff" somebody who isn't in your squad, nor is he in PK mode, and cause him such disturbance on many levels uncalled for.
The simple solution imo would be to limit it's use to squad and PK. People can complain but between the two choices this one is the less harmful to the community.0 -
SilversMoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »Dear sir, allow me to say you make an idiot of yourself.
Reading along your posts at least within this thread, you're only trying to beat a dead cow. The cow being your mislead ego. You're trying to defend a wrongfully idea, by justifying it to all your possibly met odds and ends, which by no means does it apply to any singal individual but your very own self.
That being said, the simple facts are, this skill has more abusive edge to harm than it has to benefit. At the very least from the fact you can use it to so called "buff" somebody who isn't in your squad, nor is he in PK mode, and cause him such disturbance on many levels uncalled for.
The simple solution imo would be to limit it's use to squad and PK. People can complain but between the two choices this one is the less harmful to the community.
Are you freaking stupid? What are you talking about? What am I defending?
If you had even bothered to read or comprehend any of what I've actually posted, you'll realize that your 'assessment' of my stance on a situation I have mostly not been discussing in this thread is a joke. The only thing I have been saying in this whole thread is THIS WORLD BOSS DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU, IT DOES NOT HAVE YOUR NAME ON IT, IF I CHOOSE TO STEAL IT OR NOT, THAT IS PART OF THE GAME.
PLEASE SHOW ME ONE EXAMPLE OF HOW I SUPPORT THE USE OF A GENIE SKILL TO GRIEF SOMEONE.
Nowhere have I condoned the griefing use of expel or any genie skill in this or any other thread.
Sorry for the ALL CAPS and the BOLD but simple and concise English has been too difficult for you to read so I have to emphasize what you clearly failed to comprehend. Read my sig.ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »Just FYI, I like to do the same of just putting my response in the quote itself in a different color because it's just me being lazy rather than not knowing how to do multi-quote. He might be doing that for the same reason.
If you actually put effort into writing a post and want a response, when I it the "Reply" button, I get nothing quoted. It's not hard to post brackets with the word quote and /quote. If you expect me to format your post so I can properly respond to it, that's just lazy on your behalf or you don't really expect or want a valid response.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »I know very well how it is "used" but now read the damn skill description.
Is it being used to expel "allies"? If the skill is meant to be used as a debuff against enemies it should count as a debuff which means you shouldnt be able to cast it on blue names. Consider that expel does not work against opponents in TW, in duels, or against mobs.
I have no problem with an expel that you can cast on hostile targets as long as it follows the normal PVP protections.
Ok like I said it is the Blessing fliter that needs changed not the skill. It is very possible that with my blessing filter not set to cast on faction or squad members only, that I can heal an opponent attacking me. How messed up is that? It also means that if I wished to use expell on an enemy, I could very well end up healing them too, works the same way.
It is the blessing filter NOT the skill. I love how you all love being 5aps but hate that casters can get a skill that possibly makes them live against that hax ****. Seriously I hope its never changed and you choke on it.0 -
Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ok like I said it is the Blessing fliter that needs changed not the skill. It is very possible that with my blessing filter not set to cast on faction or squad members only, that I can heal an opponent attacking me. How messed up is that? It also means that if I wished to use expell on an enemy, I could very well end up healing them too, works the same way.
It is the blessing filter NOT the skill. I love how you all love being 5aps but hate that casters can get a skill that possibly makes them live against that hax ****. Seriously I hope its never changed and you choke on it.
To blame the blessing filter is to admit that Expel is a positive buff (like heal) when it is not. You yourself say you use it to hinder enemies (despite the skill description saying it is to be used on allies). There is nothing wrong with skills to be used on enemies. I have lots of skills that I can use on enemies. But if expel is used as such then it should count as a hindering spell:
1) It should work in duels against an opponent.
2) It should work in TW.
3) It should not work on blue names.
That's what you should be able to do with hindering skills but the problem with Expel is that it counts as a positive buff and used to grief. This is the issue people have with it. Not that it is used to PK, that it is easily abused to GRIEF. Please don't bother replying unless you have something to say about the abuse.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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there are many half hax and abuses in this game.
Want a list? sorry, but I plan to do something else in the next year.
Will this one be fixed? nah.
Will the other be fixed? rofl.
live with it.____________
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »there are many half hax and abuses in this game.
Want a list? sorry, but I plan to do something else in the next year.
Will this one be fixed? nah.
Will the other be fixed? rofl.
live with it.
its sure that we cant get everything, but this is sucking many ppl, so we re trying to change it, at least we want to make an effort to make gm's changing it
and ACLucius and Hypnos, sry that I said that many ppl would be happy and etc., I went to far again, but at least I admit it^^
I see whats ur point, but I think u see as well mine and I guess we came to a conclusion: it should not be castable on blue names unless ur in squad. and for the blessing filter, I m not gonna be change smth on it just cuz of 1 skill. I guess the majority agrees with that. Its easier to just change the chosen target configuration of the skill. I dont wanna change more on it, effects shall stay untactable. I just wanna change the fact of the target u can choose.
and I guess thats the problem with which ppl who complains are living with.
Simply:
Skill should only be castable on blue names when u are in squad with target
I guess the majority agrees with this statement, even those who are against a change of it.
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but I hope one gm listen to this treat, maybe its cuz of that changes nearly never happen ursa...0
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If it's just expel that's even nice. I saw alphamale too and then there's no chance of getting the wb back since that genie skill gives the user all aggro. So he can just fly away and WBs resets.
All in all I NEVER kill my WBs at the places they spawn. I always lure them to another spots exactly because of idiots that kill you squad for fun by using genieskills and stuff.
The only adivice I can give you.0 -
Blackpray - Heavens Tear wrote: »If it's just expel that's even nice. I saw alphamale too and then there's no chance of getting the wb back since that genie skill gives the user all aggro. So he can just fly away and WBs resets.
All in all I NEVER kill my WBs at the places they spawn. I always lure them to another spots exactly because of idiots that kill you squad for fun by using genieskills and stuff.
The only adivice I can give you.
thx for the information lol, many ppl said it already. we re changing smth on the way the skill is used, not a way to avoid it
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I scroll through most of the posts and all i got out of it is... QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ... owwwww... you hurt my feelings... QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I scroll through most of the posts and all i got out of it is... QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ... owwwww... you hurt my feelings... QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.
thats superfluous. what do you expect when ppl complain about smth they dont like?
and I think its clearly what we re talking about.0 -
Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear wrote: »its sure that we cant get everything, but this is sucking many ppl, so we re trying to change it, at least we want to make an effort to make gm's changing it
lol, do you have any idea how many and how much people raged about the bugged Bleed on Nixes? what changed? nothingand ACLucius and Hypnos, sry that I said that many ppl would be happy and etc., I went to far again, but at least I admit it^^
I see whats ur point, but I think u see as well mine and I guess we came to a conclusion: it should not be castable on blue names unless ur in squad. and for the blessing filter, I m not gonna be change smth on it just cuz of 1 skill. I guess the majority agrees with that. Its easier to just change the chosen target configuration of the skill. I dont wanna change more on it, effects shall stay untactable. I just wanna change the fact of the target u can choose.
and I guess thats the problem with which ppl who complains are living with.
Simply:
Skill should only be castable on blue names when u are in squad with target
I guess the majority agrees with this statement, even those who are against a change of it.
Alright?
I see your point why this skill can do harm and how, but it's not the only one.
And this isn't a FAIR game if u didn't realized so far. You don't pay anything for it so don't expect anything from it. Just like real life when you build a castle in the sand, some jerk can come and run all over it ruining your half a day work.
STOP daycare-like QQ-ing, no one relevant cares.____________
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »lol, do you have any idea how many and how much people raged about the bugged Bleed on Nixes? what changed? nothing
I see your point why this skill can do harm and how, but it's not the only one.
And this isn't a FAIR game if u didn't realized so far. You don't pay anything for it so don't expect anything from it. Just like real life when you build a castle in the sand, some jerk can come and run all over it ruining your half a day work.
STOP daycare-like QQ-ing, no one relevant cares.
NO... you run to the life guard and go "jonny the meanie knock over my pink pony sand castle".1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »lol, do you have any idea how many and how much people raged about the bugged Bleed on Nixes? what changed? nothing
I see your point why this skill can do harm and how, but it's not the only one.
And this isn't a FAIR game if u didn't realized so far. You don't pay anything for it so don't expect anything from it. Just like real life when you build a castle in the sand, some jerk can come and run all over it ruining your half a day work.
STOP daycare-like QQ-ing, no one relevant cares.
I dont care if its hopeless or not, I want to try it and to reach that goal!
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Bomba_Humana - Heavens Tear wrote: »I dont care if its hopeless or not, I want to try it and to reach that goal!
Seriously
Then you better prepare to have your dreams smached... just like the OP... how ironic.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Fcplopes - Heavens Tear wrote: »ok guys listen to me. maybe u know it already. now its time to make some changes I hope.
Some ppl are able to rob ur worldboss by using a genie skill called expell. That skills makes all players (except ppl who are in pk or duelling I guess) immobilized for a short time. Thats enough that clerics cant heal the tank, so that this one dies. Thats how my fac failed at a worldboss. Problem is, u never know that is happening, so u cant proof by making a vid that the one who uses such dirty tricks did it really. GM's, pls remove that skill from pwi.
thats so unfair, ppl get mentaly destroyed when they fail even if they did great efforts....
hoping that I get an answer soon, and other ppl who had same experience as me shall share it here with us by posting it here.
Sorry for my bad english, but I guess its understandable.
If ppl get (mentally destroyed) aka sad by a game, pls do uninstall and go see a doctor."One of the most important factors, not only in military matters but in life as a whole, is ... the ability to direct one's whole energies towards the fulfillment of a particular task." - Field Marshal Erwin Rommel
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »Then you better prepare to have your dreams smached... just like the OP... how ironic.
I was prepared since the beginning to it, but I wanna make an effort to this0 -
Asmodiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »If ppl get mentally destroyed by a game, pls do uninstall and go see a doctor.
time to edit my message, 3rd or 4th time I m saying thats a mistake, it meant be to be "sad" or "disappointed" goodness me, geez xD
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