Pvp Balance? who eats who?
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Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »I was assuming they start off with Earth Vector, not Soulburn. 2 sec cast AOE stun.
Even if they do, they still can't 1shot you, especially not with earth vector since you have stone barrier activated.
Assuming you have even adequate gear, a psy with black voodoo won't be able to 2shot you either - if you have a charm, you'll easily survive a 6 sec stun. Then we go back to my original post.
Edit: This doesn't apply to them since you 1shot them.0 -
Never said they would one-shot you. The problem with psychics is that they'll spam you to death IF they get the stun (you could FoW before that though).0
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To Borsuc - Raging Tide Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
TY.. idk ppl come all out on us psychics like that... if you arn't a some what vit build wizard then soulburn can 1 hit you and it lasts for a while not even a charm is that fast. mainly if we use deminish vigor which increase the reset time of a charm. Yeah, Wizard could try to 1 hit us, but we arn't that weak to magic like others. and we can gain more than 2 seconds when we use disturb soul which will make your spells slower. not saying wizards will beat a psychic, and i'm not saying psychics will beat wizards its all about the sper of the moment. I don't believe in luck, but i have to say it... its all about luck. the tides can change very fast."In case you can't do the math, as you stand there alone and consider fighting me, you'll be facing an army of over 30,000 hollows!" - Aaroniero Arruruerie, Novena Espada
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Rangergod - Raging Tide wrote: »To Borsuc - Raging Tide Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
TY.. idk ppl come all out on us psychics like that... if you arn't a some what vit build wizard then soulburn can 1 hit you and it lasts for a while not even a charm is that fast. mainly if we use deminish vigor which increase the reset time of a charm. Yeah, Wizard could try to 1 hit us, but we arn't that weak to magic like others. and we can gain more than 2 seconds when we use disturb soul which will make your spells slower. not saying wizards will beat a psychic, and i'm not saying psychics will beat wizards its all about the sper of the moment. I don't believe in luck, but i have to say it... its all about luck. the tides can change very fast.
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Rangergod - Raging Tide wrote: »To Borsuc - Raging Tide Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
TY.. idk ppl come all out on us psychics like that... if you arn't a some what vit build wizard then soulburn can 1 hit you and it lasts for a while not even a charm is that fast. mainly if we use deminish vigor which increase the reset time of a charm. Yeah, Wizard could try to 1 hit us, but we arn't that weak to magic like others. and we can gain more than 2 seconds when we use disturb soul which will make your spells slower. not saying wizards will beat a psychic, and i'm not saying psychics will beat wizards its all about the sper of the moment. I don't believe in luck, but i have to say it... its all about luck. the tides can change very fast.
one thing i must say
Psy has the weakest def than all other mag classees
Ep has plume shell, 79 skils
Wiz has elemental shield, Earth shield also increase phys res
WF has many different builds, they have bramble hood and fox form gains phys res as well
ijs, tbh, imo[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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given a situation with less than 100 chi,
clerics and BMs do ok( they have a lot of skill that use less than 40 chi)
archers encounter some problems( ie no wings of grace)
barbs can't turtle or arma( potentially a problem, but at least they got a little HP)
wiz have no ultimates. : (
chi changes the situation hugelyand bro...fyi this isn't a story.
All people are idiodic but some are more idiotic than others.0 -
Your gear must not be very good. I have only adequate gear, and a black voodoo'd psy can't kill me in 6 seconds in a duel with spam skills.Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »Never said they would one-shot you. The problem with psychics is that they'll spam you to death IF they get the stun (you could FoW before that though).Rangergod - Raging Tide wrote: »To Borsuc - Raging Tide Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
TY.. idk ppl come all out on us psychics like that... if you arn't a some what vit build wizard then soulburn can 1 hit you and it lasts for a while not even a charm is that fast. mainly if we use deminish vigor which increase the reset time of a charm. Yeah, Wizard could try to 1 hit us, but we arn't that weak to magic like others. and we can gain more than 2 seconds when we use disturb soul which will make your spells slower. not saying wizards will beat a psychic, and i'm not saying psychics will beat wizards its all about the sper of the moment. I don't believe in luck, but i have to say it... its all about luck. the tides can change very fast.
I will bet you that any adequately geared wiz will not be oneshot by soulburn by an equally leveled psy. And about the luck - I'm going to have to say it's reflexes over luck.
Any wiz with an average IQ will stop attacking until soulburn is over, except maybe to seal or sleep to help alleviate the time loss, and the charm in that case will help.0 -
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Don't listen to PVE Servers on PVP
Archers Dominate Robes (mages especially) until mages hit 90.
Blademasters are **** for pvp. Mediocre HP, Mediocre Spike damage, and if you can't stunlock, you're screwed.
Barbarians aren't nice for PK, They have Obscenely High HP, and at 59 they get a 2 spark Nuke, which Hurts, but is easy to avoid.
Sins are hilarious, they hide in Stealth, surprise a robe, and if the robe is bad at their class, the robe dies.
Psychics are lame, tried one for a bit, got really boring, quit.
Venos are **** unless they have their nix for pvp, even then they're not hard to kill 1v1.
Clerics have potential, but are best suited to heal.
Mages are really tedious pre 90 if you're Arcane. at 90+ (assuming you're arcane) your 3 spark, chi skill, HH90 gears, and level 11 skills put you as a force to be reckoned with in Solo pvp, and in TW/PK.
after trying all classes past 70+ for PVP and PVE, Mage is supreme.
We're not as good as archers in pre9x pvp, but we outclass archers in PVE by far.
I take exception to that,
It has nothing to do with a mage being 'Bad' at their class,
Sins were made practically for killing robes. Nuff said.Where have all the mages gone. Long time casting.
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Hey hey hey.....more votes for wizards plz b:cool
Edit: and pvp clerics...they pwnPS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous0 -
well, imo.
at low level(90-)
1.venom
nix OP during this period.
2.sin
stealth+spark can kill most ppl whos gears and genie skills r not done yet.
3.archer
high dmg high crit range atk
at high lvl (90-100)
1.Demon venom
Genie remove stun + 79skill = invincible for 10sec
summer sprint + ironguard pot = invincible for 12sec
u still alive after this? np
demon nova (stun&seal& for 8sec) will send u back to safezone
2.mage
unreasonably high pdf
high atk (ofcos..cuz most mg went pure mage build)
they kill fast and die fast as well
3.sin
stealth + 3spark(will be nurfed soon, but u can still use 2spark in stealth) will **** any robe class if u have enuf atk/speed
havent seen any 5.0atk speed sin on this server yet, but yes, its much more scary than a fist bm.
End game (gear refine 10+)
1. psychic
psy has actually higher atk than a mage, but lack of survivability at low lvl.
a fullset +12 psychic will have 50k soul force.which means
-sage soul of stunning will stun any1 that attack psychic for 14seconds
-fist bm takes 3x+ more dmg from reflect than the dmg psy takes
-soulburn makes u take dmg like a mage keep dropping Tempest on u during 8sec, if ur paralysed..then ur dead..
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2.barb
40k+ hp...
3.mage
still high dmg w/ **** defence debuff skill[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Yes psychics definitely have high potential for endgame.....but I wouldn't rank them equal to wizards and barbs......
Cause wiz and barbs are two different ends of the spectrumPS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous0 -
4 attack/sec fist bm with 8k p-atk unbuffed and 10k hp= death to anybody(20k pdef wizards too)0
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NPH - Harshlands wrote: »4 attack/sec fist bm with 8k p-atk unbuffed and 10k hp= death to anybody(20k pdef wizards too)
^ This.
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Korren - Lost City wrote: »well, imo.
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Yeah fist BMs or barbs most likely. Fist BMs can drop everyone pretty damn fast once they get on ya. Barbs with 30k+ HP are impossible to kill. I'd even venture to say a end-game wizzy with great gear... Why? Because they can deal so much dmg end-game, combined w/ crits, sparks, and skills.0
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Cyanea - Lost City wrote: »Does this "anybody" include Korren's demon venomancer with immune to damage for nearly forever?
Demon Drakes Bash=7.5 second stun 100% chance, Demon Roar=100% for what, 4 sec stun? 4+7=11 seconds. 11 seconds is enough for 1, a person to run, or 2 the veno's invincibility to run out and a person to completely wipe them.0 -
NPH - Harshlands wrote: »Demon Drakes Bash=7.5 second stun 100% chance, Demon Roar=100% for what, 4 sec stun? 4+7=11 seconds. 11 seconds is enough for 1, a person to run, or 2 the veno's invincibility to run out and a person to completely wipe them.
You cant stun someone that popped immunity pots so those 11 sec doesn't exists, you cant really do anything, but i guess kite away from the veno (unless you're stunned, venos can chain stun to).
Venos also have bramble hood to pop after the 10 +12 sec immune combo is out and absolute domain on top of that.
A demon veno, played correctly as in kiting and running like a little squirrel till they can nuke/stun/immune again, is extremely hard to kill for any class unless you can 1 shoot them.
How ever venos dont really have any crazy spike dmg beside lvl 11 Parasite Nova and 99+ a nix doesn't really hurt that much unless you have 100% armor break bleeding you for 4k each tick.
But even with purge and amp, they have huge problems dealing enough dmg to kill a well geared barb and BM at higher lvls. Just purge + amp+ wood nukes + bleed + poison, wont kill people with good gear. Kinda need to land a couple of lucky crits in a row together with 100% armor break + bleed + amp from nova to take down a barbarian for example.
So top of chain 1v1 endgame atm is a well geared demon barb easy. Impossible to kill 1v1, 40-60% crit, hurts like hell and can debuff you ;/
No clue about tideborns yet O_o0 -
so confussing .... so i guess im rerollin wizard mainly due to kick *** lookin abilities they have..but iv read around and many say LA wizzard and arcane due about same damage but LA can survive alot better.. is this true about LA being better0
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Before level 90, a LA wizard has more survivability than an arcane wizard, without much loss of damage.
After level 90, an arcane wizard's defense climbs significantly due to increased sharding and refining, and the difference in damage is higher as well.0 -
Is it true what someone posted....psychics pwn @ endgame?
Edit: wow assasins are winning by FAAAR
Wizards,Barbs......where is your pride......how can you let this happen ~.^0 -
TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »You cant stun someone that popped immunity pots so those 11 sec doesn't exists, you cant really do anything, but i guess kite away from the veno (unless you're stunned, venos can chain stun to).
Venos also have bramble hood to pop after the 10 +12 sec immune combo is out and absolute domain on top of that.
A demon veno, played correctly as in kiting and running like a little squirrel till they can nuke/stun/immune again, is extremely hard to kill for any class unless you can 1 shoot them.
How ever venos dont really have any crazy spike dmg beside lvl 11 Parasite Nova and 99+ a nix doesn't really hurt that much unless you have 100% armor break bleeding you for 4k each tick.
But even with purge and amp, they have huge problems dealing enough dmg to kill a well geared barb and BM at higher lvls. Just purge + amp+ wood nukes + bleed + poison, wont kill people with good gear. Kinda need to land a couple of lucky crits in a row together with 100% armor break + bleed + amp from nova to take down a barbarian for example.
So top of chain 1v1 endgame atm is a well geared demon barb easy. Impossible to kill 1v1, 40-60% crit, hurts like hell and can debuff you ;/
No clue about tideborns yet O_o
K, so demon sparking 16k p-atk, 5 times a sec, hitting roughly 1.5ks at least a hit( 7.5k damage a second for those who can't do math) cant take out a 20k hp barb, considering a barb with 20k hp and bm with those stats are about equally geared?0 -
Don't listen to PVE Servers on PVP
Archers Dominate Robes (mages especially) until mages hit 90.
Blademasters are **** for pvp. Mediocre HP, Mediocre Spike damage, and if you can't stunlock, you're screwed.
Barbarians aren't nice for PK, They have Obscenely High HP, and at 59 they get a 2 spark Nuke, which Hurts, but is easy to avoid.
Sins are hilarious, they hide in Stealth, surprise a robe, and if the robe is bad at their class, the robe dies.
Psychics are lame, tried one for a bit, got really boring, quit.
Venos are **** unless they have their nix for pvp, even then they're not hard to kill 1v1.
Clerics have potential, but are best suited to heal.
Mages are really tedious pre 90 if you're Arcane. at 90+ (assuming you're arcane) your 3 spark, chi skill, HH90 gears, and level 11 skills put you as a force to be reckoned with in Solo pvp, and in TW/PK.
after trying all classes past 70+ for PVP and PVE, Mage is supreme.
We're not as good as archers in pre9x pvp, but we outclass archers in PVE by far.
saw this, thought this moron should be burned at the stake. no amount of 1337-ness will save you from a 1shot out of stealth, wich assasins do to anyone who isnt wearing ha.
the barb before me kindly explained the dmg of 5aps demon spark. sins can do that with daggers.
a lvl 87 sin on hl claims to have killed a lvl 100, (possibly fail) barb while the barb was charmed, using tangling mire and impact as well as element dmg pots.0 -
Thats kinda funny[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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The only problems I have with assassins:
Vanish, [triple] sparking while in stealth.
They have an endless amount of stuns.... But if you can survive a triple spark followed by stuns, immobilization and sleep followed by 2 charging attacks for when you run away and 2 speed skills... Then you might stand a chance against them... If you're a sage barb...
Psychics:
More damage and better heals than a wizard with the option to greatly increase your defense when enemies get near.
So why are there wizards?0 -
Talking abuot evenly geared though.NPH - Harshlands wrote: »K, so demon sparking 16k p-atk, 5 times a sec, hitting roughly 1.5ks at least a hit( 7.5k damage a second for those who can't do math) cant take out a 20k hp barb, considering a barb with 20k hp and bm with those stats are about equally geared?
A Barb that spends as much on gear as the BM spent to get those stats will have way more than 20k hp.
And if you stick around when a fist BM triple sparks and don't run like crazy then you're stupid.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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And... i think we have winners.. barb endgame or bm endgame
Those are my choices for endgame
As for venos... well look how the only 2 people saying a veno is best is the two veno freinds lol.
Psychics seem to be another endgame class... i havnt fought one in pk, but in duels their 6 sec stun and massive dmg(more than wizard) while you are imobilized, seem to be amazing~I only put one post on each thread. So you can rage at me but know.. i will never see it~0
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