Pvp Balance? who eats who?

swiiftshadow
swiiftshadow Posts: 1
edited June 2010 in Arigora Colosseum
i use to play this game a long time ago..... and thinking of coming back... sence i dont even remmeber my original acc and pw... i am gonna make a whole new one.... but so much has change.... like wizards use to suck but now they 1 hit stuff in endgame? and werent Archers on top of the foodchain? now i read that Assassins whipe the floor with them....And... who or wtf are Psychics?

so what char would be atm on top of the food chain, with hard work and effort in endgame?
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  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Wizards > all

    But assasins are "super-effective" on us.....

    They were made to kill equal lvled wizards and be an annoyance to higher lvled wizards(can't one-shot them.....and have to kill them twice)
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • swiiftshadow
    swiiftshadow Posts: 1
    edited April 2010
    brownflamer wrote: »

    But assasins are "super-effective" on us.....

    whos this "us"?

    you dont have an avatar.. so not the slightest clue of what class you are
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited April 2010
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    demon Venomancers with nixes or demon Barbs are probably on top overall. Fist BMs too with enough cash shopped interval gear.


    Wizards hit hard but they still die fast so no, they're not on top of the food chain. You need to spend quite a bit of money on a wizard, and most classes with beat a wizard they spent the same amount of money on their character.
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  • Aadi - Lost City
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    edited April 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
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  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    swiiftshadow wrote: »
    whos this "us"?

    you dont have an avatar.. so not the slightest clue of what class you are


    Wizards b:laugh
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    demon Venomancers with nixes or demon Barbs are probably on top overall. Fist BMs too with enough cash shopped interval gear.


    Wizards hit hard but they still die fast so no, they're not on top of the food chain. You need to spend quite a bit of money on a wizard, and most classes with beat a wizard they spent the same amount of money on their character.

    Really?

    Before I quit I was hearing everyone QQing about Wizards lol......


    Looks like I am an outdated person.....just like the OP b:surrender

    Sorry OP I let u down b:sad
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    brownflamer wrote: »
    Wizards > all
    except Psychics
  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    except Psychics

    lol if you're not trolling can you explain why in detail.....cause I have definitely never heard this^ before lolz
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    demon Venomancers with nixes


    Heavy or arcane?
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    except Psychics

    Me lol'd.

    /10 char
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Aadi - Lost City wrote: »
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Arcane Barbarian.
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  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    What if we had a whole squad of a certain class vs a whole squad of another class.

    Who eats who then? b:chuckle
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • Qlngfu - Archosaur
    Qlngfu - Archosaur Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    swiiftshadow wrote: »
    i use to play this game a long time ago..... and thinking of coming back... sence i dont even remmeber my original acc and pw... i am gonna make a whole new one.... but so much has change.... like wizards use to suck but now they 1 hit stuff in endgame? and werent Archers on top of the foodchain? now i read that Assassins whipe the floor with them....And... who or wtf are Psychics?

    so what char would be atm on top of the food chain, with hard work and effort in endgame?

    all classes will be OP endgame if you throw enough money on them. arcane classes will have decent survivability and hit like a truck, the heavies got insane hp and defence while LA...suck..but crit alot and have a truck load of survivability skills. i would think the most op class endgame with cs gear would be psys and barbs
  • Qlngfu - Archosaur
    Qlngfu - Archosaur Posts: 399 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    brownflamer wrote: »
    What if we had a whole squad of a certain class vs a whole squad of another class.

    Who eats who then? b:chuckle

    i would like to see a sin or nix..veno squad against a wizzi squadb:dirty
  • Born_Free - Harshlands
    Born_Free - Harshlands Posts: 977 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    b:angry Wtf....I'm a psychic.

    But honestly endgame? It depends on what build you have. It depends on how much time and effort you put into the character.

    1: Wizards can easily one hit endgame. They without question deal the highest damage, but are nerfed with that slow casting BS. Give them some items that lessen that time; you're screwed.

    2: Archers have crazy critical hit. They're hard to aim at. they often hit your weak spots. The object is to be FASTER than them and counter their damage. Archers are often overlooked.

    3: Barbs have THOUSANDS of HP. They nuke damage. HOWEVER their magic defense sucks. A robe class + Archer knockback arrow will take care of them easily.

    4: Venomancers have their own personal tank. They can poison, debuff, and generally make killing them hell. HOWEVER, Psychics are the "anti-Veno" class. They knock back the pets, reflect the damage from debuffs, and generally make fighting THEM hell.

    5: Assassins will sneak around like little cowards and eliminate you before you have time to react. Usually when they hit you, it's a critical, and it's so fast, you can't react. I couldn't begin to tell you what class elminates these guys. Maybe some lucky barbs.

    6: BM's can stun, jump, stun. It makes fighting them annoying. It depends on which weapon they use.

    7: Clerics can one shot anything with Plume Shot. They can heal themselves. They can heal OTHER people chasing you. ....Too bad an assassin with good skills can take them out.

    8: Psychics use barriers. We buff, we debuff. We're squishy, but we make it hurt when you hit us. Soulburn.<--Big one there. We can heal ourselves and make it count. (Bubble of Life/Empowered Vigor combo.) we can hit a lot of you at once. But any melee class can take us out, easy, and I dare not mention what archers can do to us....
  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »
    b:angry Wtf....I'm a psychic.

    But honestly endgame? It depends on what build you have. It depends on how much time and effort you put into the character.

    1: Wizards can easily one hit endgame. They without question deal the highest damage, but are nerfed with that slow casting BS. Give them some items that lessen that time; you're screwed.

    2: Archers have crazy critical hit. They're hard to aim at. they often hit your weak spots. The object is to be FASTER than them and counter their damage. Archers are often overlooked.

    3: Barbs have THOUSANDS of HP. They nuke damage. HOWEVER their magic defense sucks. A robe class + Archer knockback arrow will take care of them easily.

    4: Venomancers have their own personal tank. They can poison, debuff, and generally make killing them hell. HOWEVER, Psychics are the "anti-Veno" class. They knock back the pets, reflect the damage from debuffs, and generally make fighting THEM hell.

    5: Assassins will sneak around like little cowards and eliminate you before you have time to react. Usually when they hit you, it's a critical, and it's so fast, you can't react. I couldn't begin to tell you what class elminates these guys. Maybe some lucky barbs.

    6: BM's can stun, jump, stun. It makes fighting them annoying. It depends on which weapon they use.

    7: Clerics can one shot anything with Plume Shot. They can heal themselves. They can heal OTHER people chasing you. ....Too bad an assassin with good skills can take them out.

    8: Psychics use barriers. We buff, we debuff. We're squishy, but we make it hurt when you hit us. Soulburn.<--Big one there. We can heal ourselves and make it count. (Bubble of Life/Empowered Vigor combo.) we can hit a lot of you at once. But any melee class can take us out, easy, and I dare not mention what archers can do to us....

    Ya @ endgame all classes are strong.....but let's not kid ourselves....some classes are stronger than others with equal amount of money/time put into them.....ain't that right?
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • swiiftshadow
    swiiftshadow Posts: 1
    edited April 2010
    but who wins endgame of these

    Wizard vs Cleric : ?
    Wizard vs Psychic : ?
    Psychic vs Cleric : ?
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    swiiftshadow wrote: »
    but who wins endgame of these

    Wizard vs Cleric : ?
    Wizard vs Psychic : ?
    Psychic vs Cleric : ?
    Arcane Barb>Wizard+Cleric+Psychic
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  • yashino
    yashino Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »
    b:angry Wtf....I'm a psychic.

    But honestly endgame? It depends on what build you have. It depends on how much time and effort you put into the character.

    1: Wizards can easily one hit endgame. They without question deal the highest damage, but are nerfed with that slow casting BS. Give them some items that lessen that time; you're screwed.

    2: Archers have crazy critical hit. They're hard to aim at. they often hit your weak spots. The object is to be FASTER than them and counter their damage. Archers are often overlooked.

    3: Barbs have THOUSANDS of HP. They nuke damage. HOWEVER their magic defense sucks. A robe class + Archer knockback arrow will take care of them easily.

    I lol'd

    4: Venomancers have their own personal tank. They can poison, debuff, and generally make killing them hell. HOWEVER, Psychics are the "anti-Veno" class. They knock back the pets, reflect the damage from debuffs, and generally make fighting THEM hell.

    lol'd again

    5: Assassins will sneak around like little cowards and eliminate you before you have time to react. Usually when they hit you, it's a critical, and it's so fast, you can't react. I couldn't begin to tell you what class elminates these guys. Maybe some lucky barbs.

    learn to move around

    6:BM's can stun, jump, stun. It makes fighting them annoying. It depends on which weapon they use.

    wtf.

    7: Clerics can one shot anything with Plume Shot. They can heal themselves. They can heal OTHER people chasing you. ....Too bad an assassin with good skills can take them out.

    holyshyt teach pls

    8: Psychics use barriers. We buff, we debuff. We're squishy, but we make it hurt when you hit us. Soulburn.<--Big one there. We can heal ourselves and make it count. (Bubble of Life/Empowered Vigor combo.) we can hit a lot of you at once. But any melee class can take us out, easy, and I dare not mention what archers can do to us....

    learn2kite?

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  • Xprestigex - Harshlands
    Xprestigex - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Born_Free - Harshlands wrote: »
    Archer knockback arrow will take care of them easily.

    at this point i stoped reading your post. Knockback does not work in pvp...


    And to this thread... idk if i would pick a sin or wiz. Sins because of their OP skills to stay alive (invisablity, can't be 1 shot, "dodge" 25% of atacks including skills) and their ablity to triplespark and stun lock anyone before they have a chance to fight back.

    Wiz because of our high dmg, and if we are refined well we are hard to kill (teleport (even with archers when u almost dead), force of will, sleep, 100% phy def buff). Teleport is almost instant, sleep is instant, fow takes about 2 secs to cast and be able to use another skill.



    Barbs are really good if they got lots of hp, so they can predition, but their normal dmg isn't that great. Fist bms are really good in 1v1s, with their stuns and occat ice, but if u have expel its not so bad if they arn't uber csed. Clerics are OP in surviving too, but unlike sins or wiz they have to take a good amount of time or mp to become this way (stacking IH or your phy shield that sucks mp). Psy, i havn't fought enough of them, only real one ive fought is one with OP gear and +11 weapon, almost got her with my sucky gear and +5 hh90. Venos nixes die to easly to be really great, especally in tw where u can pick off nixes easy. Archers can be really good if heavly csed, but most archers say they regret picking a ea, so i won't pick them.
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  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    swiiftshadow wrote: »
    but who wins endgame of these

    Wizard vs Cleric : ?
    Wizard vs Psychic : ?
    Psychic vs Cleric : ?

    Obviously depends on skill, but if you take an equally skilled wiz, cleric, and psy,

    Wiz vs. Cleric = Cleric (w/ usage of heals and shells) (Without heals, wiz would win)
    Wiz vs. Psychic = Wizard
    Psychic vs. Cleric = I actually dunno, but I'd imagine it would be similar to my Wiz vs. Cleric answer
  • Rawrgh - Raging Tide
    Rawrgh - Raging Tide Posts: 6,790 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Either a mage, fist BM, or barb.


    Mages can hit crazy hard. Fist BMs can have insane DPS if they spend a lot of cash, and barbs can be almost impossible to kill.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Obviously depends on skill, but if you take an equally skilled wiz, cleric, and psy,

    Wiz vs. Cleric = Cleric (w/ usage of heals and shells) (Without heals, wiz would win)
    Wiz vs. Psychic = Wizard
    Psychic vs. Cleric = I actually dunno, but I'd imagine it would be similar to my Wiz vs. Cleric answer

    wtf no. I eat clerics for breakfast (except the heavy cash shopping ones >.>)
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  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    wtf no. I eat clerics for breakfast (except the heavy cash shopping ones >.>)

    Can you out dps a cleric whose ih is at full capacity and with their 79 shells up? They could just alternate plume shot and ih straight through. And the 3-5 secs we get on seal/sleep isnt enough to get their ih to a point where we could out dps it.
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    brownflamer wrote: »
    lol if you're not trolling can you explain why in detail.....cause I have definitely never heard this^ before lolz
    You made the original statement first, "Wizard > all", AND that includes psychics (unless by "all" you exclude psychics). I can't troll any more than you do. b:laugh

    Anyway what are you gonna do against them? You have exactly 2 seconds before they stun you, Soulburn is unleashed and you're pretty much dead from the rest of the nukes if you decide to stay still. (no, you can NOT distance shrink once soulburn is on, you WILL take damage)

    FoW? Won't work, since in real PK, the psychic is gonna be FAR away at maximum range (28.5 meters) or close to that, he can just run away out of range till the minuscule 3 second silence "control" effect wears off.

    Sporific Whisper? 20 meters cast range according to ecatomb: worthless.

    What else can you do in 2 seconds I wonder?

    Oh and I'm pretty sure you will resort to genies or apothecary items. In that case wizards are even weaker. It's MUCH easier to avoid a very slow nuke like ours (ex: Absolute Domain) than spamming fast skills which needs much better reaction.
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Can you out dps a cleric whose ih is at full capacity and with their 79 shells up? They could just alternate plume shot and ih straight through. And the 3-5 secs we get on seal/sleep isnt enough to get their ih to a point where we could out dps it.
    Based on theory alone (so take it what you will) I can somewhat see where you are getting with this point.

    I tried a few theoretical formulas with equal gear power, and stacked ihs are a beast to out-dps especially considering mage dps is kinda low actually. (dps =/= dph)

    Getting cleric close to 50% health, sleeping him and BT-ing him to kill him won't work much either, since by the time you pull BT the stacked ihs will heal him quite a lot even if he can't do a thing. There's no "ih control skill" so to speak.
  • Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary
    Scorched_Sky - Sanctuary Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    You made the original statement first, "Wizard > all", AND that includes psychics (unless by "all" you exclude psychics). I can't troll any more than you do. b:laugh

    Anyway what are you gonna do against them? You have exactly 2 seconds before they stun you, Soulburn is unleashed and you're pretty much dead from the rest of the nukes if you decide to stay still. (no, you can NOT distance shrink once soulburn is on, you WILL take damage)

    FoW? Won't work, since in real PK, the psychic is gonna be FAR away at maximum range (28.5 meters) or close to that, he can just run away out of range till the minuscule 3 second silence "control" effect wears off.

    Sporific Whisper? 20 meters cast range according to ecatomb: worthless.

    What else can you do in 2 seconds I wonder?



    I appreciate you see my points on the wiz vs. cleric, but this is where we disagree very, very strongly.
    I will isolate 2 scenarios:
    1) Dueling: Instant sleep, BT. No more needs to be said.

    2) Actual Pking: If you are aware of what's going on, and you have your seal maxed, you can seal before the psy soulburns you, distance shrink, sleep, BT. Seal's channel is 0.5 seconds, compared to the 3 second channel of soulburn, so that gives you plenty of time to cancel the soulburn (despite the way you characterized 2 seconds being virtually nothing), especially since auto-target will trigger when the psy starts channeling. All you need is to put FoW on a hotkey, and have it ready.
    If the psy simply runs, distance shrink will easily outpace them.
    If the psy uses holy path, you can do the same, and shrink will cover the last stretch again.
    Lastly, if you're pking as a wiz, I'm going to assume you can take at least 3 hits from soulburn before dying (or at least take a charm). Soulburn can't 1shot you, and all you need is 2 shots (sleep+BT).


    Edit: Seal and sleep do NOT trigger soul of stunning or soul of silence.

    Edit edit: In case I wasn't clear, maxed FoW = 28.5 meters
  • Borsuc - Raging Tide
    Borsuc - Raging Tide Posts: 1,526 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I was assuming they start off with Earth Vector, not Soulburn. 2 sec cast AOE stun.
  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Borsuc - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I was assuming they start off with Earth Vector, not Soulburn. 2 sec cast AOE stun.

    But this is in theory....right?

    Cause real PK can't be put down on paper(or at least it was this way before I quit)
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous

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