the "I dont charge zen" liars

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hee! I drove the 'buy' price on tokens up above 11k again

Or maybe I should apologise for that? Who knows.

are you the one who was shouting in west arch "WTB tokens 11k" ?

I'm actually poorer since packs came out than I was before. During sales pre-anni pack, we made a killing at merchanting. Battle pack at 50% off would make someone 20 mil in the first day, with a minimum buy of 150K or so to start. The only thing that took time, was opening the dang packs to sell the mats; and that was static if you were rich or poor. Shops would sell out in 5 mins max even when stock was 10K, and gold would be rebought and more packs purchased, etc. That was the first great amassing of wealth.

After that you simply hit every sale, and have money on hand to buy gold when it is cheap. Invest heavily in known good sales. By the time anni packs came around, I had over 1K Gold worth in the form of 1500 1* orbs, 178 Mystic Tome Pages, Gold in reserve, and cash on hand. This was from merchanting like crazy, and it was worth it.

Nowadays you just make the most of events. Helps being higher level, and having access to any buffs you want, but I would run solo mode for 2 hours a day during 2X drops using bloodpaint and hour long cleric buffs to reduce the cost of farming. Ended up not even ticking charm, but even without maximized gear from previous farming you can charm tank profitably with the right class and build.

In just 5 days, I made 40 million worth of drops on those 2 hours a day. If I didn't get banned a week, woulda been over 100 mil, likely more since I was missing weekends.

Now instead of wasting that stupidly, you still farm the mats you need for the gear you want. Take all money made from coin farming and invest it at intelligent points. Each pack sale it should be easy to make 70%+ profit just following the market, which you keep re-investing. Eventually, when you have gained all you need, and want to look at endgaming your gear, you'll have plenty of cash just sitting around to be used. At that point, you can even just go off the interest.

Now will someone be able to do this if they waste their money every time they get it, or don't do some serious grinding during events? Course not, they'll have to chage zhen or simply whine it is impossible to do without charging zhen. I don't like TT myself, but if the 2X drops events comes again I'll do another couple days farming for another good amount of money, until it doesn't compare to money made just from merchanting.

You don't even need to create cat shops to do it, those are just to maximize profits. Cat shops will be open to buy your goods if you discount what everyone is selling at, or just WC and sell that way. The only way it really takes a lot of time to merchant, is when you're trying to get as much as you can in profit. Take a cut in %, and stock will disappear in minutes.

In response to the original post: Jeeze, if anyone ever said that to me I'd probably tell them they had best be damn happy I and other people foot the bill to make the game free for them so **** off to them.
They pay for internet, movies, video games, video game consoles to play the games, a computer, the internet. Besides, why go to a movie theater when one could just buy the stupid movie on DvD in a month? With the money the average person spends at the theater they could buy it 3 times over!

I've actually spent money on this game because I hate grinding. Hate it hate it hate it. and that's my issue. I like to have a nice mount, nice pixel clothing, and it leaves me something to do, because i already have the stuff I want, so I can get what I need and spend my time playing the game part of the game rather than killing the same mobs over and over beating a dead horse who now has broken in ribs and getting sick of the game because of it. That is why I spend money. :P Though I haven't spent barely anything lately, sure I like the game, and I like to play it, but I can't play it if I don't have a home, internet, or am outright dead.

If you like what you bought it's money well spent. Simple as that.

EDIT: One thing I forgot to add, you can't buy a mount off someone if no one bought it in the first place. Same goes for clothing in-game. And Dragon orbs, charms.... So really, the grinder is nothing without the cash shoppers. Should appreciate them more, really.

Don't need to charge to get decent gears really.


I've had many people claimed I cash shopped to get my +4 Gx, I just merchanted tokens to get the 26mil for the gold mats, farmed the green mats, and got to +4 with money I've made running TT. My TT90 is almost full +4 with immacs, only the boots are still +2, once I'm able to play again I'll just run TT a few times and buy some more mirages/tienkang stones and get them to +4.


I just run TT a lot, merchant occasionally, and my gears are some of the best on my server for non-cash shoppers.


And money management is key, I knew a guy that had full +1 TT90 with 2 flawless in each piece, and was using +1 star axes. And yet he used a charm for almost everything, he even used a charm in FC.

b:surrender Used to charge zhen during 1st anni packs to b:chuckle gamble & buy some event ****. Now do it when very lazy but haven't in a while, trying to get more into merchanting & I'd say my gears are pretty decent. Got my lunar cape yesterday.

With zhen.. um the more I charged the more I seemed to need, money management went through the window since I knew I could just charge more tomorrow & not work for gears or save up. Meh market is fun & part of the game.

Hellhowl - Sanctuary wrote: »

Comparing this game to cable tv is like comparing apples to oranges. In an mmorpg, you're supposed to earn what you have, and not simply buy it. Most people feel this way. It's supposed to be about your skill and hours you put into the game, not how many times you can swipe a credit card.

That maybe so but how if no one would buy zen then it is good-bye PWI and all the hard work you put into it.I have bough a few hundred dollars of zen not so you can have a free ride but to show that I am supporting this game and you aren't.

To those who whine if you don't buy zen then you really have no right to.I can't even a zen buyer afford a set of TT90s and Weapon because you inflate the prices.I can sell 10 gold for 100 million if I want thne watch the gold prices go up.

Or I may say freeloaders

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

That maybe so but how if no one would buy zen then it is good-bye PWI and all the hard work you put into it.I have bough a few hundred dollars of zen not so you can have a free ride but to show that I am supporting this game and you aren't.
Or I may say freeloaders

the point was always a RESPONSIBLE cash shop i.e items that do not drastically change gameplay or flat out NERF end game dungeons/maps/ farming

fashion, mounts, dyes, tele stones, inventory bank =awesome cash shop
scroll of tome, making farming wraith items pointless, genesis stones, cube stamp, warsong badge, ect= greedy fail you see thats 3+instances and 2 maps they nerfed the value of with packs, lunar/cv/frost weps and ornaments, and more prolly that arent off top of my head

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

That is the reason they won't listen to those who don't buy zen and btw they can tell.

This is true.
Like in another game I used to play, I spent quite a bit on it, but I also played for four years. Once I quit for a few years I got an email of a ton of expensive free stuff offer if I returned. And they basically gave certain items to people depending on how much you'd spent on the game. People who were loyal and never quit didn't get any offers. It was very sad.

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the point was always a RESPONSIBLE cash shop i.e items that do not drastically change gameplay or flat out NERF end game dungeons/maps/ farming

fashion, mounts, dyes, tele stones, inventory bank =awesome cash shop
scroll of tome, making farming wraith items pointless, genesis stones, cube stamp, warsong badge, ect= greedy fail you see thats 3+instances and 2 maps they nerfed the value of with packs, lunar/cv/frost weps and ornaments, and more prolly that arent off top of my head

Yes I do admit PWI has gone overboard with cash shop items, however, we do not know what the expenses of PWI are.
Lets say (as the new video states) thinking this amount of players is real. I'd say nearly 50% of the players do not charge zen (making this up, just an example). So total of people would be about 25m players charging zen.

If each player spent $10 a month (which im sure does not happen) they'd be getting lets say $250m USD, I have been told Perfect World's licence is worth some billions USDs. This is just what I was told, nothing of this is a for sure.

Now, think how much does an expansion is worth (if PWI is purchasing it from the chinese developers, other billion?) now add the advertisement, maintenance, updates, workers, etc. etc. etc.

Just to mention a game like this does spend some millions on updates and advertising.

I'm pretty sure they do these kind of sales (and overpowered items) because the expenses are going up.
Just think on what kind of Host / servers they must have to hold 50 million players! I'm sure it is REALLY expensive (they're not lame linux servers with 4 GB ram and 100 MBPS for sure lmao)

All I have to say is, PWI, try to maintain the balance by adding things for looks or slightly help items but not overpowered items such as hyper stones and things like that, these do break the game mechanics / normal flow.

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

I bought some gold right before I quit (about a month before) and I think it was the biggest waste of money I have ever had the misfortune of taking part in. b:surrender

I'm ashamed of wasting money on this game, so why should anyone have to tell you if they spent some?

You bought gold RIGHT before you quit! Ashamed might be the wrong word.

Lol no need to go against me b:chuckle just posted what I thought then went back to see what other people posted before

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=5415832#post5415832 b:victory

The whole argument over cash shoppers keep this game going and free is bullcrap. This game would be much better if it was p2p.

Compare this game to the most well-known mmorpg out there (can't mention it, but the commercials for it feature celebrities like William Shatner and Mr. T). That game has been going strong for years, and is still number one in the genre. It is also p2p. PWI should follow in the same footsteps as that game. But because PWI doesn't (because of their never-ending greed), their ratings continue to drop and more and more people are quitting every day. I don't see this game making it another year unless they make some drastic changes.

Euphy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Honestly I'm embarrassed by the sheer amount of money I've spent on this game. There's nothing else that I have indulged upon to this degree. It seems idiotic that a student like myself should invest a significant part of her finances in a game that could be free. But I invest quite a bit of time as well - and this allows me to enjoy myself more. I love having the prefect outfit to express my mood, whether in a real or virtual setting.
So... why do people lie? Because they feel guilty about their lack of self-control I suppose. I've lied about my Zen charging before for those reasons.
But I find comfort in the fact that I still enjoy this game to the upmost - with the side affects of it consuming more of my life that advisable... And the fact that I still don't count as a heavy cash shopper. At least some crazy people have spent twenty times what I have... lol.
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Also to the troll above me: Perfect World is not losing more players than it is attracting. The company's quarterly reports are outstanding so this game will likely continue for quite a while yet. There simply is not valid free to play competition from my point of view. Pay 2 Play is a completely different market niche, and even if it would theoretically save many people money its not attractive for various reasons. I for one don't like being required to spend; I prefer spending $100 at once for something I want, then $50 a month for just access.
In addressing your signature: Trolls attempt to cause random controversies. They distract from the true purpose of forum threads to supplement their bland existence. If you want to be a troll - go work out, get in shape, and be one in real life. Forum trolls are just a nuisance.
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PS: Maybe there could be a ranking board for zen server-transfers/charging... -giggles-.

Ah yes. I forgot that having a valid opinion over something with facts to back it up resorts to name calling from others like this clueless one.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not this bull again...

You can sell 10 gold for 100 million and nobody would buy it and the prices wouldn't go up.

Seriously, grow a brain before you make statements like that. The only way you could make gold prices as expensive as you wanted them to be was if you were to buy every single piece of gold on your server and resell it. Every. Single. Piece..

Take your bullcrap that you can control prices off the forums please because this is the second time that you've tried to pretend a cash shopper can magically change the price of aerogear (which is one example you used last time before people berated your **** for being so stupidly naive) or mounts or anything else. You can only sell at a price which the buyers will pay. If you charge one piece of gold at 100 million? Nobody will buy it, you don't make money, the world goes on.

It is very simple it is my money and exchange rates that is being charged on my credit card and 10 gold is $10.00 USD dollars real money.I usually by $50. worth and what I see in the AH with that virtual money that isn't real you dam rights I will charge $100 mill.25 million for a magic sword get real or 10 million for TT90 Arcane leggings yeah right.I would say that most of those selling these items don't buy zen.Don't tell me to grow a brain maybe you should get out and see how the real world sets its prices.I am a pretend cash shopper am I.I do buy items with real money get it through you thick head.you accuse me of lying which I am not.I only have 2.5 million coin on me not enough to get any decent sets of TT gear as well as weapons.I can say this atleast I am supporting this game if I waited long enough I could of bought a lifetime subscription to another game well over $300.00 CDN.I spent more on that on zen.

This is sample of my zen history and it is 5 pages long

Amount Date Transaction Source / Destination Status / Details ZEN ZEN Balance
2010-04-29 Perfect World Sanctuary -1000 4300
$50.00 2010-04-29 0HU38178EC582964C Paypal Completed 5300 5300
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -800 0
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -1000 800
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -1000 1800
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -500 2800
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -2000 3300
$50.00 2010-04-28 14R72379H06316925 Paypal Completed 5300 5300
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -850 0
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -1000 850
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -1500 1850
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -2000 3350
$50.00 2010-04-28 6PT348620M8340032 Paypal Completed 5300 5350
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -1000 50
2010-04-28 Perfect World Sanctuary -1500 1050