VENOS: keep bramble to yourselves unless asked for it

Whut o.0 . . ?
As a veno i am only and only cast bramble to tank . . b:victory
Except the other asking bramble too. b:bye
I dunno why other veno like to cast bramble to everyone . . b:surrender
(Me never cast to anyone outside instances xP, lazy to use it basically. Except TW)

ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Venos are only ruining it for most MAG classes (ie clerics and psychics) when they decide to randomly cast their bramble all over the place.

I just had one of those issues, once again while grinding with my psychic, and was told very bluntly that bramble was the best way to get rid of us, as we do (clerics and psychics alike) steal aggro and more when brambled.

Hey, venos, you want to play that way? No problem. In that case, I hope you don't mind when we return the favour, either in cleric or psychic form, see how you like it in return.

Now go train your stupid pets in cube and leave us alone.

Uh, okay that person is b:fatb, however it isn't like there hasn't ever been a b:fatb cleric before. >.>

I guess since that one venomancer is b:fatb all of them now have the same thoughts as that one. b:surrender

ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hey, venos, you want to play that way? No problem. In that case, I hope you don't mind when we return the favour, either in cleric or psychic form, see how you like it in return.

Now go train your stupid pets in cube and leave us alone.

b:angry

Hey, don't blame the entire venomancer population. b:shedtear
Just tell those venomancer that cast bramble to everyone to stop. b:beatup
Well at last that mean i am a good venomancer . . b:sin love me.

When in a squad, tank gets it. When randomly running around, I might cast it on melee attackers that are questing alone or something (depending on how I feel). There's no point casting it on distance attackers, because really, they shouldn't be getting hit. What use does it therefore serve?

Other than the fact that you do not like bramble being cast on you, I don't know what you're babbling on about.

ExELFine - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just had one of those issues, once again while grinding with my psychic, and was told very bluntly that bramble was the best way to get rid of us

I only bramble people if they're melee or ask for it. I only bramble a cleric if they're a total noob (I've run into a few high level clerics who totally suck at playing) or if one of them goes zooming for a mat I was killing a mob near to reach myself. I'll bramble them immediately if they do. Let them pull aggro onto themselves and get themselves killed ideally. Or at least tick those charms a bit.

A venomancer should indeed only bramble tank classes, or when asked. (Some clerics and archers DO like it.)


but it doesn't cause you to steal aggro for no reason! It just makes you take more aggro if you're already being hit (by melee)

So there really shouldn't be anything for random monster killing soloers to be afraid of - you take aggro if you take aggro. Not a huge problem.

on a psy it isn't as bad as you make it sound, just go defense and it works out fine.
Another note: on my veno I bramble ALL classes in TT for drummer, since his attack his physical. I tend to Soul of Vangence magic classes if I'm not planning on doing much nearby, I don't get hit often, bramble me all day, it won't hurt me.
note #3: wanna know the best way to get to a barb/bm? SoV it.

I've seen a few clerics not only who ask for bramble but have Alpha Male on their genie. No lie. One of them is a good friend of mine.

Nonetheless, on my veno I bramble clerics and everyone in the squad when doing bosses with phys aoe -- without asking. If they have an issue with it, I explain why I did it, and either they look kind of stupid trying to argue that (like one person who told me it pulls aggro) or they go along with it. Either way is fine with me.

I only cast Bramble on melees, unless asked otherwise.
In instance, in squad or random buffing to help....

When I was a baby venom (a long long time ago) and was new to the game, yes, I was casting it to anybody I was seeing, thinking I was a good person helping others... but eventually.. I learned....

Although... I had an experience once, and I laugh about it now, but was not at the time...

I`ve been cursed about and a load of badmouthing words yelled at me after I brambled a BM that was AOEing ..... He told me to never bramble him... he was hating it.. he went on saying if he would want one he would have asked.. and did he? NO.. so just never F******* bramble him again 'cause he hates it more than anything.. ( And I am.. beeing reserved with my words right now)...
So just let me tell ya that.. for a lil while.. I was not random casting Bramble to anybody hahahaa

But now, I only randomly cast Bramble on Barb,BM and Sin, and will bramble other classes only if they ask me... And in instances/Squads I only Bramble Barb and BM ( in case Barb die, or often BM takes adds) and only do all other classes if asked.

I have friends casters that always ask me for it.. either in instances or if they see me pass by when they solo.... and some never ask for it... I guess it all depends of how people likes to play.

I never heard complain about aggroing with Bramble coming from a caster... so I am not too sure what you mean by your story OP... but... sorry if that venom did something to "harm" you.. but.. don't generalize please....

It's like cleric.. often.. my apothecary is erase by a cleric randomly buffing me with his macro.... so what... I don't mind.. I'll just farm more herbs and make more pots
P.S. It's A GAME!!!!!!!!!!

And training pets in cube pissed me also. There are usually 10 venos and they took 90% of mobs. Instead of 1m in that room I have to spending there much more just running for some mobs but venos pets are of course faster.b:angry

Sinalee - Dreamweaver wrote: »

seriously to those who can't understand why some venos cast bramble on others than tanks here is a little tip.

New ... seriously if u r new to a game and even more if u r new to mmos so generally, most ppl wouldn't know that some buffs that are good could have an unwanted effect. Now when it happens that a veno bramble the whole squad, then just nicly explain him/her what that do to the agro. who new would think about that the bramble do anything else but cast back dmg (WOOT extra dmg) many don't think what that also lead to which is that the individual deal more dmg if being hit and there for keep agro.

Now don't hate new ppl but tell em what they did wrong and what to do.

I for my part used to bramble everyoen and myself. now i only bramble Tank and BM (and sins if they ask for it).

Its the same with that tideborn skill that eats mana to give u protection. Really not fitting for a tank, still the tank just nicly told the sin/psy (i don't remember who got that skill) to plz not do it.

Bramble is bad IF and only IF u get agro and also only have an effect IF u take agro. So if u get brambled before u can prevent it, just don't take agro, slow down ur cast speed, use weak attacks what so ever. Don't always just blame but try help ppl instead =/

very nicely put, totally agree

On my veno, I have only ever brambled tanks, BMs, and perhaps an Assassin if they are doing tanking. I will also bramble solo melee players if I feel like it.

To be honest, you can bramble an archer, psychic, wizard or cleric and it should not matter because they shouldn't grab aggro anyway. If you are a cleric and you are grabbing aggro, then you are either healing too early [and this will teach you to wait until the tank aggros everything, won't it?] or you're doing too much damage [meaning you're probably a high enough level to not care if you steal aggro, otherwise I'm sure you'd be more careful]

So if you are actually having a problem because a veno cast bramble on you then you are doing something wrong in the first place and you shouldn't be crying that it's the veno's fault. Go learn to play your class and it wouldn't matter.

Yaaaaaaaaay generalization!