Demon Or Sage.. And Why? *For Barbs*

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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ok, Summing this up, again. I will note this is not all their bonus, it deals with 2 or more skills.

    Sage's bonus
    Much easier to gain chi
    More accurate when hitting your enemy (not more accuracy than demon, I mean more accurate to hit monster) especially the kiters
    Faster cooldown
    Better constant damage
    Less HP to sacrifice
    Buffs and mini buffs last longer

    Demon's bonus
    Very much higher chance of critical rate
    added effects from abilities
    Faster cooldown
    More access to stuns


    Both are used well in many situations, my barb is going sage for the main reasons.

    1. I'm a carebear xD
    2. More durable because of higher HP, P.DEF and duration of skills
    3. Easier to gain chi with less MP
    4. survives magic mobs much better, which is a relief against high magic damaging bosses b:victory
    5. Best way to hold argo with these bonuses, Devour becomes more spam-able due to chance of gaining 35 chi instead of spending chi, and flesh ream's cost of chi less.
    6. Sunder's recovery is epic, besides, so much HP, best to have more HP recovery, so
    7. I am a carebear
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Someone just answer this one question for me. Which is better for pking?
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  • KingTank - Heavens Tear
    KingTank - Heavens Tear Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Demon is more offensive so go demon
  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    KingTank - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i usually have 3 sparks most of the time, there's only 1 boss that is quiet annoying i know with chi because it chi drains you

    Only boss I have had trouble with is Belial...trying to keep aggro on him is a real PITA...especially when the squad is all 95+ except the barb.
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  • Lycanthar - Sanctuary
    Lycanthar - Sanctuary Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Only boss I have had trouble with is Belial...trying to keep aggro on him is a real PITA...especially when the squad is all 95+ except the barb.

    It's random aggro... has nothing to do with the dps you're competing with. There are quite a few bosses that have this trait, and yes they suck dongs.
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  • KingTank - Heavens Tear
    KingTank - Heavens Tear Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Only boss I have had trouble with is Belial...trying to keep aggro on him is a real PITA...especially when the squad is all 95+ except the barb.


    Yeah he is random agro, if your not quick enough with alacrity then use earthquake he will come back to you
  • Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear
    Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    1 quick question, i wanna go demon, but im on a PvE server. As far as i can see, that shouldnt be a problem, right? i know i will lack some HP, but i still should be able to tank all bosses, right?
  • EmptyWords - Heavens Tear
    EmptyWords - Heavens Tear Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    KingTank - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Demon is more offensive so go demon

    ...it's an answer?
    Tank role in party is make damage? U need to be offensive or u need to survive?

    I think that there's no a better way, sage and demon are different and u have to choose what it's better for your gameplay.

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  • Cookiecutter - Harshlands
    Cookiecutter - Harshlands Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    1 quick question, i wanna go demon, but im on a PvE server. As far as i can see, that shouldnt be a problem, right? i know i will lack some HP, but i still should be able to tank all bosses, right?
    ofcourse you can. why do people even think that 10% hp and 40% more phdef is gona make a HUGE diff.
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  • EmptyWords - Heavens Tear
    EmptyWords - Heavens Tear Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Cookiecutter - Harshlands wrote: »
    ofcourse you can. why do people even think that 10% hp and 40% more phdef is gona make a HUGE diff.

    ...lol...

    U can tank bosses with demon barb, but with sage u can tank them easily b:laugh

    10% hp and 40% Pdef is not good? Instead of some % of crit?
  • Cookiecutter - Harshlands
    Cookiecutter - Harshlands Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    EmptyWords - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ...lol...

    U can tank bosses with demon barb, but with sage u can tank them easily b:laugh

    10% hp and 40% Pdef is not good? Instead of some % of crit?
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  • Cybetron - Harshlands
    Cybetron - Harshlands Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    EmptyWords - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ...lol...

    U can tank bosses with demon barb, but with sage u can tank them easily b:laugh

    10% hp and 40% Pdef is not good? Instead of some % of crit?

    The bosses you'll have most problems tanking would be magic ones or atleast the ones which have huge magic attacks.. as barbs we already have a good enuf pdef.. 40% extra pdef wouldn't make you an elite tank against such bosses.. but yes the 10% extra HP would play a small, yet sometimes vital, role..
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    EmptyWords - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ...lol...

    U can tank bosses with demon barb, but with sage u can tank them easily b:laugh

    10% hp and 40% Pdef is not good? Instead of some % of crit?
    Until you end up with an endgame archer or wiz in your squad, then you'll find yourself with an empty chi pool and constantly losing aggro anyways. I presume you are loosely defining "tank" on the grounds of simply having more hp. Being a Sage barb is nice for the hp/phys def bonuses, and is particularly good for luring huge groups of mobs like in RB, but the damage from demon barbs helps them tank better on single bosses/targets due to having a far easier time keeping aggro. A tank isn't terribly useful if you can't or aren't even doing that.
  • Lycanthar - Sanctuary
    Lycanthar - Sanctuary Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Until you end up with an endgame archer or wiz in your squad, then you'll find yourself with an empty chi pool and constantly losing aggro anyways. I presume you are loosely defining "tank" on the grounds of simply having more hp. Being a Sage barb is nice for the hp/phys def bonuses, and is particularly good for luring huge groups of mobs like in RB, but the damage from demon barbs helps them tank better on single bosses/targets due to having a far easier time keeping aggro. A tank isn't terribly useful if you can't or aren't even doing that.

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  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Until you end up with an endgame archer or wiz in your squad, then you'll find yourself with an empty chi pool and constantly losing aggro anyways. I presume you are loosely defining "tank" on the grounds of simply having more hp. Being a Sage barb is nice for the hp/phys def bonuses, and is particularly good for luring huge groups of mobs like in RB, but the damage from demon barbs helps them tank better on single bosses/targets due to having a far easier time keeping aggro. A tank isn't terribly useful if you can't or aren't even doing that.


    I'm not a demon barb so I can't comment about that in particular. I can, and will, comment upon damage from barbs in general...

    I doubt that the difference from hitting for 7K and 14K will hold aggro over endgame wizzies/archer who hit for 30-110K.
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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm not a demon barb so I can't comment about that in particular. I can, and will, comment upon damage from barbs in general...

    I doubt that the difference from hitting for 7K and 14K will hold aggro over endgame wizzies/archer who hit for 30-110K.
    Certainly wasn't an assertion of mine that a barb (of any type) can outdmg any of them and keep aggro alone with that. However, they do rely significantly less on FR and thus chi isn't really a problem, whereas the endgame classes mentioned rip aggro almost readily from a sage barb, and that is pretty much following a FR. If anything I think they need to balance sage barbs a little bit because it's pretty f'ed up how bad they have it, but the way things are now, holding aggro against these that are common in daily quests is quite an obstacle.
  • Feral_Wrath - Lost City
    Feral_Wrath - Lost City Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Chi shouldn't be an issue for any barb. If it is, you're doing it wrong. Sage flesh ream costs 5 less chi, and we have the instant 50 chi skill. I can use flesh ream immediately after it cools down anytime. And demons beastial rage gives 8 chi per hit, which should make up for their more expensive flesh ream.
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    just a note, chi should never be a problem. ive heard of people using nice pure str genies for cloud eruption, 2 free sparks, the str works well in conjunction with alpha male, etc.

    demons by far are the better tanks in my eyes, take it from someone who has to monitor damage's perspective. these guys contribute far more doing full damage than doing 50%.
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  • DrkLordZ - Sanctuary
    DrkLordZ - Sanctuary Posts: 297 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    What the hell are we Archers doing on barb threads?
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  • Cookiecutter - Harshlands
    Cookiecutter - Harshlands Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    DrkLordZ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What the hell are we Archers doing on barb threads?
    You tell me.
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Cookiecutter - Harshlands wrote: »
    You tell me.
    because i can post wherever i want
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    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    DrkLordZ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What the hell are we Archers doing on barb threads?

    Dual toons, perhaps?
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  • zammygodx
    zammygodx Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Sage is for PvE tanking and PvE killing.
    Demon is more for PvP and for PvP tanking.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    demon gives crit DD spike ACC and decent hp phys def bonuses

    sage gives 2% more phys def and 1k more hp

    demon is honestly just plain better for

    barbs,BM's,clerics,and archers

    the other classes are rather blanced for demon/sage

    not saying sage isnt good but demon opens up entire new playstyles for those classes while sage saves the ocational spark and gives 50 chi a minute and offers slightly upgraded versions of existing skills
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    demon wiz > sage
    demon archer > sage
    demon BM > sage

    other than that, the rest are balanced
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    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • VILKASS - Sanctuary
    VILKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 278 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Being a Sage barb is nice for the hp/phys def bonuses, and is particularly good for luring huge groups of mobs like in RB, but the damage from demon barbs helps them tank better on single bosses/targets due to having a far easier time keeping aggro. A tank isn't terribly useful if you can't or aren't even doing that.
    b:surrender Agreed, holding agro is a bish. My wife is demon & seems to have much less trouble when we do bhs.
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  • Lycanthar - Sanctuary
    Lycanthar - Sanctuary Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    demon wiz > sage
    demon archer > sage
    demon BM > sage

    other than that, the rest are balanced

    That's all **** for another thread, but allow me to summarize... b:chuckle

    Pro > Scrub
    Pro = Money+Skill
    Scrub = Poor+Fail

    It's more or less impossible to compare one culti to another, as there are so, so many other factors at play. Gear? Skill levels? Player skill level?

    And I mean, you're an archer... don't you know better than anyone that it only comes down to crit luck? *joking*
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    Off through the new day's mist, I run
    Out from the new day's mist, I have come
    We shift, pulsing with the earth
    Company we keep, roaming the land while you sleep...
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    demon wiz > sage
    demon archer > sage
    demon BM > sage

    other than that, the rest are balanced

    Don't bash on sages, as far as I know, I rather be sage than demon on any char. All is balanced.
    Lycanthar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's all ****, but it's **** for another thread, but allow me to summarize... b:chuckle

    Pro > Scrub
    Pro = Money+Skill
    Scrub = Poor+Fail

    It's more or less impossible to compare one culti to another, as there are so, so many other factors at play. Gear? Skill levels? Player skill level?

    And I mean, you're an archer... don't you know better than anyone that it only comes down to crit luck? *joking*

    Scrubs can be rich too lol
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Don't bash on sages, as far as I know, I rather be sage than demon on any char. All is balanced.

    inexperience speaking volumes. if you knew much about the classes i mentioned, youd know sage fails on both wiz and archer, and is the better choice of the two for BM.
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    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    b:surrender actually for wizzies both cultis open up entire new play styles

    sage offers higher spikes more often

    demon offers more control skills and - channel

    and no there really is no validity to going sage whatsoever for a all path BM imo not because sage skills are bad but because the hell ones (shadowless kick farstrike and aleion blade being the exeptions) are simply better than their sage counterparts, all that said all bm's on sanc must go sage...cheap demon skills for the win b:dirty

    hell is better for barb and cleric because it opens entire new avenues of play while still improving the classes ability to preform their traditional role

    archers....go demon or go sage and later regret it and CS massivly

    venos and wizzies are the only 2 classes with truly balanced paths atm
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