Demon Or Sage.. And Why? *For Barbs*
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WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »inexperience speaking volumes. if you knew much about the classes i mentioned, youd know sage fails on both wiz and archer, and is the better choice of the two for BM.
says the archer that didn't go sage or demon either. As far as I know, if demon wiz and archer is better yet, they are "underpowered" as pulling arggo from others, don't you think EXTRA damage will change anything?
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=340362&highlight=fear+sage+wizards.
Sage wizards kite better than demon wizards with the increased slow duration of gush, which means they have more survivability than the demon or standard wizard, with gush. Apparently they'll be touched less. They have better elemental defense bonus, they are mage tankers after all. Chance to FULLY heal friendly targets. Fire res reduction. BONUS MAGIC POWER, which is worth a spamming. Also AOE of force of will... How is that inferior to a demon wizard?
Sage archers, lets seee...?
frost arrow becomes elemental with water damage, which is useful against fire elemental mobs. Mana burn for PVP which MOST PEOPLE HATE TO FACE. Max HP reduction and damage reduction from barrage of arrows.
So yeah, ok, sages suck alright... right b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
HA > LA > AR... GG
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Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
venos and wizzies are the only 2 classes with truly balanced paths atm
Have to agree there. All Bm + barb + archer i ever known that has some sort of interest in pvp and went sage massively regrets it today. Actually they tend to quit the game eventually since you cant change culti. And all the cash shopping in the world cant make up for the lack of pvp skills the sage path lacks.0 -
I dislike pvp, prefer to help people. So I went sage. Lovin' every minute of it so far, lucked into some of the good skills with the help of some friends.
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well i may be a noob barb but its pretty clear
sage = tank
demon = DD
i've always known i'd go sage (even though i'm nowhere close) i love being in PVE and doing dungeons, i'm fine with sitting back taking the hits and letting the others lay the hurt on the mobs. in the future i might change my mind, i got a long way to go, but it seems true to the classes nature to go with being a better tank[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
demon wizard has better defense from stone barrierYulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »says the archer that didn't go sage or demon either. As far as I know, if demon wiz and archer is better yet, they are "underpowered" as pulling arggo from others, don't you think EXTRA damage will change anything?
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=340362&highlight=fear+sage+wizards.
Sage wizards kite better than demon wizards with the increased slow duration of gush, which means they have more survivability than the demon or standard wizard, with gush. Apparently they'll be touched less. They have better elemental defense bonus, they are mage tankers after all. Chance to FULLY heal friendly targets. Fire res reduction. BONUS MAGIC POWER, which is worth a spamming. Also AOE of force of will... How is that inferior to a demon wizard?
Sage archers, lets seee...?
frost arrow becomes elemental with water damage, which is useful against fire elemental mobs. Mana burn for PVP which MOST PEOPLE HATE TO FACE. Max HP reduction and damage reduction from barrage of arrows.
So yeah, ok, sages suck alright... right b:bye
almost all the best spells have reduced channel time, last i checked wizards rely on -%
spark has -25% channel boost
wellspring has -15% channel boost <- these two alone are amazing
demon sandstorm is amazingly overpowered
the demon crit masteries stack, making a nice boost for LA builds
demon has better distance shrink
being able to cast mountain seize outside of an archers range is hot
demon can control the enemy better with stuns/slows on things like stone rain etc. in 1v1 pvp
sage's elemental reductions DONT stack with undine, theyre useless
sage relies on damage per hit, fails in damage per second comparison to demon counterpart.
#1 archers dont use frost arrow end game... ever. the water change is practically useless
#2 -interval on demon barrage makes it stronger, the dmg reduction is USELESS, it doesnt stack with BB. wings of grace is better as well
#3 demon STA vs sage, 2% difference in hp in exchange for 10% more crit. geez, which ones better stupid?
#4 demon quickshot speaks for itself, say hi to 30% more attack speed.
#5 no one even uses vicious arrow... its by far one of THE worst moves ever, even with the mana burn (100 is nothing @ the interval ticks of poison, this skill is fail)
#6 demon spark = 25% attack speed boost. this is godly.
#7 wingspan casts a level 5 winged shell upon connecting hits. makes for a GREAT wayto tank an HA in an emergency
#8 lightning strike never misses... say hello to smacking nice ones on those high dex based BMs
#9 same geared when comparing masteries, sage only does 3% more damage, but the demon masteries both give a crit %.... archers use crit last i checked
#10 demon deadly shot gets pretty OP, lower cast and increased damage. this is one of our best arcane killers.
#11 sage take aim vs demon. sure sage can hit harder, but a 100% boost isnt that big over demon. the demon one on the other hand gets off before stunning arrow finishes, and can easily one shot any robe should it crit. (not tomention demon stunning = 10% more crit)
#12 demon winged shell can take more hits, and lasts longer for better mp regen.
-if a sage wants to be anywhere near competent as an archer they need to gear extremely heavily to even consider matching an average demon.
i cant change to either yet because im not 89, noob. demons in both far out damage their sage counterparts. when you wanna take the time to fail again, please, be my guest. ill be glad to make you look dumb.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »demon wizard has better defense from stone barrier
almost all the best spells have reduced channel time, last i checked wizards rely on -%
spark has -25% channel boost
wellspring has -15% channel boost <- these two alone are amazing
demon sandstorm is amazingly overpowered
the demon crit masteries stack, making a nice boost for LA builds
demon has better distance shrink
being able to cast mountain seize outside of an archers range is hot
demon can control the enemy better with stuns/slows on things like stone rain etc. in 1v1 pvp
sage's elemental reductions DONT stack with undine, theyre useless
sage relies on damage per hit, fails in damage per second comparison to demon counterpart.
#1 archers dont use frost arrow end game... ever. the water change is practically useless
#2 -interval on demon barrage makes it stronger, the dmg reduction is USELESS, it doesnt stack with BB. wings of grace is better as well
#3 demon STA vs sage, 2% difference in hp in exchange for 10% more crit. geez, which ones better stupid?
#4 demon quickshot speaks for itself, say hi to 30% more attack speed.
#5 no one even uses vicious arrow... its by far one of THE worst moves ever, even with the mana burn (100 is nothing @ the interval ticks of poison, this skill is fail)
#6 demon spark = 25% attack speed boost. this is godly.
#7 wingspan casts a level 5 winged shell upon connecting hits. makes for a GREAT wayto tank an HA in an emergency
#8 lightning strike never misses... say hello to smacking nice ones on those high dex based BMs
#9 same geared when comparing masteries, sage only does 3% more damage, but the demon masteries both give a crit %.... archers use crit last i checked
#10 demon deadly shot gets pretty OP, lower cast and increased damage. this is one of our best arcane killers.
#11 sage take aim vs demon. sure sage can hit harder, but a 100% boost isnt that big over demon. the demon one on the other hand gets off before stunning arrow finishes, and can easily one shot any robe should it crit. (not tomention demon stunning = 10% more crit)
#12 demon winged shell can take more hits, and lasts longer for better mp regen.
-if a sage wants to be anywhere near competent as an archer they need to gear extremely heavily to even consider matching an average demon.
i cant change to either yet because im not 89, noob. demons in both far out damage their sage counterparts. when you wanna take the time to fail again, please, be my guest. ill be glad to make you look dumb.
as i said demon has better controll skills
wellspring and hell spark dont stack however for the -channel
demon wizzies will shard to 8k full buffed phys def like every other mage but they get more hp and self buffed phys due to use of less phys shards to greater effect
the debuffs from sage skills dont overwrite undine the 1st debuff stays
and sage has amazing 2 spark skills wheras demon skills be kinda **** at that levelGifs are hard to make work here0 -
the debuffs are useless if you can get a 60% one on all three elements instead of just one of a lower quality.Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »as i said demon has better controll skills
wellspring and hell spark dont stack however for the -channel
demon wizzies will shard to 8k full buffed phys def like every other mage but they get more hp and self buffed phys due to use of less phys shards to greater effect
the debuffs from sage skills dont overwrite undine the 1st debuff stays
and sage has amazing 2 spark skills wheras demon skills be kinda **** at that level
demon wizards get more like 12-14k fully buffed with decent gear... i know some who have 8k without anything other than stone barrier.
all sage has going for it IS the 2 spark moves. like i said, it relies on damage per hit, and not good DD. all a sage wiz can be used for is dropping stupid barbs in TW.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »all a sage wiz can be used for is dropping stupid barbs in TW.
Uh...thats kinda a wizards job. o.O0 -
the crit from demon path on wiz dont stack the crit you get only works for tht path so its not 3% its 1% added to each element if you got the demon version GM even stated soCollector of pet eggs, armor, weapons, fashion, and mountsb:chuckle0
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demon wizard has better defense from stone barrier true 30% more but remember depreciating returns?
almost all the best spells have reduced channel time, last i checked wizards rely on -% how come people are stacking +crits instead?
spark has -25% channel boost
wellspring has -15% channel boost <- these two alone are amazing true or go for a 100% bonus magic attack
demon sandstorm is amazingly overpowered according to demon wiz's demon sandstorm was highly disappointing this coming for people with highly refined weapons.
the demon crit masteries stack, making a nice boost for LA builds they don't stack
demon has better distance shrink true 5m more -.- imo saving 10 chi for ultis > 5m range
being able to cast mountain seize outside of an archers range is hot ur job is to kill barbs
demon can control the enemy better with stuns/slows on things like stone rain etc. in 1v1 pvp no arguments there
How about sticking to barbs instead eh?PartyAnimalb:bye
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youtube.com/watch?v=WfYyBp4Ln2s Mai theme songb:laugh0 -
Just kinda wondering when Barbs turned into wizzies and archers o.o0
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read the wizard forums, people with eyes of observation have:the demon crit masteries stack, making a nice boost for LA builds they don't stack
A. proved that the masteries of archers give their crit %
B. power dash actually increases crit
C. wiz masteries stack.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
This is a barb thread aint it? b:chuckle
Seriously, though for wiz you cant go wrong with either really but trying to say one is glaringly better then the other is total bs.
Demons is overpowereds Sage cause of channeling. Oh wow didnt know .6 seconds off our longest casting spells makes you overpowered with triple spark same gear. BTW are you really gonna waste one spark on wellspring quaff?
Demons is overpowereds Sage cause of demon barrier. Great you got 2%-3% damage reduction more then me that equals what?
Sage is overpowereds Demons cause of chi. BS, im sage chi proc for pyrogram isnt something to rely on its just a nice bonus. Li technique is nice for every minute thats it. 50% chance to save 1 spark fack you thats like relying on a 50% stun that lasts a crappy 4 sec oh wait demon wiz do that also. Dont give me that sutra combo **** either since you really gonna spend 2 sparks to depend on a 50% skill?
Sage is overpowereds Demons cause I can kite better due to distance shrink 1/2 cost. You had a problem kiting as well b4 your cultivation? NO, so dont use some bs answer and same goes for demons 5 meters.
Sage is overpowereds Demon cause sage BIDS yeah if it procs and crits you one shot otherwise your just sitting there twiddling your thumbs. Any ulti without crit wont one shot anything but **** players.
Wiz has no role other then crowd control pk and TW. Demon being a better DD? Its not like we are wanted for TT. When I DD, I have to hold back so wtf is more channeling gonna do? Demons are better for rebirth but not drastically better.
I purposely typed is overpowereds instead of overpowers to anoy people. Anything I miss?0 -
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=500402WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »C. wiz masteries stack.
besides sage bids ftw http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p114/DarkSol01/Critproc.jpgPartyAnimalb:bye
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youtube.com/watch?v=WfYyBp4Ln2s Mai theme songb:laugh0 -
look for eye of observation threads, customer service dont know anything.Cookiecutter - Harshlands wrote: »[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »look for eye of observation threads, the GMs dont know anything.
Yeah and were gonna believe in game things since if it shows it must be true? Like the one percent crit arrows......0 -
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6545922&postcount=12
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6604451&postcount=1
yes, yes you should, because yall dont know what youre talking about[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
I begginin to smell someone on the verge of a breakdown...Probably me due to trying to wrap my brain around when a barbs gives a flying rats **** about kiting, BIDs, -chan and the like. What was the OP topic again? Oh, I could have sworn it must have said -Insert Random Class Rant Here-
Now, back on topic or bring on the flames, honestly I dont care either way, cause Im bored and my toes are cold. b:thanks0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »demon wizard .......... look dumb.
1) don't care
2) still don't care
3) barb thread
4) barbs don't care about your skills
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\Demon FTW
\\was already high dex, went the rest of the way with demon
\\\plenty of HP, plenty of damage in Tiger form, can tank anything that moves
\\\\stun+beastial onslaught+15K/20k/25k = deadA human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
o.o how is that curious? b:surrenderb:cute [SIGPIC]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/ChisaiUsagi/wewewe.jpg[/SIGPIC] b:cute0 -
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I'd just like to take this opportunity to point out that Wafflechan has abso-****ing-lutely no ****ing idea what in the flying **** s/he is talking about.
1. You obviously have never pk'd at any sort of competitive level.
2. You obviously have never TW'd at any sort of competitive level.
3. You are obviously basing everything you know off of **** you mildly glanced @ in the forums and undoubtedly from trolling the ecatomb skill descriptions.
I have a shocking reality for you - you absolutely cannot pass judgement on what culti is better or worse for any class until you get actual hands on experience with players that know these classes and have the skills you're standing on a soapbox advocating.
Your lvl alone clearly screams "HI I AM TALKING DIRECTLY FROM MY BUTT HOLE."
Parting facts:
Before the packs, the only archer I ever feared in pk was a sage.
After the packs, the only archer (different guy) I fear in pk is a sage.
The best pker of all time that our server has ever known was a sage wizard.
As a matter of fact, I can't think of one single demon wizard on our server that would pose a problem. I could name about 10 sages though. b:surrender
Crits+spike damage are king in pk, not -chan. -chan is useful, sure, but it's a DDers boon, not a pkers. Perhaps you've heard of guardian charms?
There's your sign. b:bye
/rant==Sanctuary's Last Demon Barbarian== ... (lol strife)
Off through the new day's mist, I run
Out from the new day's mist, I have come
We shift, pulsing with the earth
Company we keep, roaming the land while you sleep...0 -
all three of these are opinion.Before the packs, the only archer I ever feared in pk was a sage.
After the packs, the only archer (different guy) I fear in pk is a sage.
The best pker of all time that our server has ever known was a sage wizard.
befor epacks the only sage on the list was kingpinky, and even then he wasnt even that good.
almost all the FEW sages on our server have ridiculous refines, IE wizzeled, liquidsilver, hizpazn etc
the -chan topic was for a debate about wizards, obviously you do not know what youre talking about, last i checked a huge majority of wizards relied on it to get off those ultis under 3x spark. its pretty much only way to drop you idiots with the thousands of hp.
take into account, you have only won once in an immense number of duels against me, have PKed with me against nef a number of times, and cited me as the best venomancer youve ever seen.
demon archer gives that, sage doesnt.Crits+spike damage are king in pk,
take good examples like linnkotsu, or asterelle, those are some real archers, not these idiot sages with +10 refines going around acting as if theyre gods.
this is ignorance speaking out an asscrack.Your lvl alone clearly screams "HI I AM TALKING DIRECTLY FROM MY BUTT HOLE."
there are level 100s posting on alts/blank forum avatars, and you wouldnt even know, because youre too ignorantly labeling thelevel of the one they use currently.
DEMONS GIVE BETTER SPIKE
DEMONS GIVE BETTER CRIT
DEMONS GIVE BETTER DPS
LRN 2 ARCHER DUR.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
There is always Ryamika with competing refines and who also happens to be a demon. What do you think about him?Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
Qui: b:dirty0 -
Apparently flaming over sage/demon is really tarded... They balanced, none is better than the other.
Wafflechan obviously have no idea what a sage wizard or archer is capable of. But if she say sage wizards and archers suck, then she obviously find it not worth being an archer or wizard in the first place, because of obvious reason. No tactics, no kiting, no sense = fail wizard / archer. And when she goes demon, only she can do is PK lowbies. And a lot of silly barbs don't know how to keep arggo in pve, she would eat dirt, then she'd say "archers suck". I seen this already, and I witnessed a red named PKer cleric, ditched a TT squad and going "F PWI" because she kept dying on land mines lol.
heavy PKers ... lol[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks for Flauschkatze for siggy b:cool
VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
HA > LA > AR... GG
HA + VIT = win b:bye0 -
Ok....... I lost trackb:faint, who's leading in this useless quarrel about Sage vs Demon; WaffleChan or Lycanthar.b:puzzled
On topic, the OP's question was answered in the first few pages it seems, wise choice to avoid the madness. b:avoid●Barb - The "natural" leader. Cool and collected, slow to anger, and typically jovial. Swift to act when friends' lives are in danger, and prepared to lay down his life if the situation calls for it.
End of lvling, starting of the unimaginableb:laughb:victoryb:coolb:cool0 -
you were the one who derailed this thread to begin with. people on the veno forums have yelled at you for giving inaccurate and wrong info, quit posting it and reread this:Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »Apparently flaming over sage/demon is really tarded... They balanced, none is better than the other.
Wafflechan obviously have no idea what a sage wizard or archer is capable of. But if she say sage wizards and archers suck, then she obviously find it not worth being an archer or wizard in the first place, because of obvious reason. No tactics, no kiting, no sense = fail wizard / archer. And when she goes demon, only she can do is PK lowbies. And a lot of silly barbs don't know how to keep arggo in pve, she would eat dirt, then she'd say "archers suck". I seen this already, and I witnessed a red named PKer cleric, ditched a TT squad and going "F PWI" because she kept dying on land mines lol.
heavy PKers ... lol
demon archer > sage
#1 archers dont use frost arrow end game... ever. the water change is practically useless
#2 -interval on demon barrage makes it stronger, the dmg reduction is USELESS, it doesnt stack with BB. wings of grace is better as well
#3 demon STA vs sage, 2% difference in hp in exchange for 10% more crit. geez, which ones better stupid?
#4 demon quickshot speaks for itself, say hi to 30% more attack speed.
#5 no one even uses vicious arrow... its by far one of THE worst moves ever, even with the mana burn (100 is nothing @ the interval ticks of poison, this skill is fail)
#6 demon spark = 25% attack speed boost. this is godly.
#7 wingspan casts a level 5 winged shell upon connecting hits. makes for a GREAT wayto tank an HA in an emergency
#8 lightning strike never misses... say hello to smacking nice ones on those high dex based BMs
#9 same geared when comparing masteries, sage only does 3% more damage, but the demon masteries both give a crit %.... archers use crit last i checked
#10 demon deadly shot gets pretty OP, lower cast and increased damage. this is one of our best arcane killers.
#11 sage take aim vs demon. sure sage can hit harder, but a 100% boost isnt that big over demon. the demon one on the other hand gets off before stunning arrow finishes, and can easily one shot any robe should it crit. (not tomention demon stunning = 10% more crit)
#12 demon winged shell can take more hits, and lasts longer for better mp regen.
-if a sage wants to be anywhere near competent as an archer they need to gear extremely heavily to even consider matching an average demon.
demon wiz > sage
in which are my opinion. for yall to go nuts off it makes you have a **** loose.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
ZoanoAce - Lost City wrote: »Ok....... I lost trackb:faint, who's leading in this useless quarrel about Sage vs Demon; WaffleChan or Lycanthar.b:puzzled
On topic, the OP's question was answered in th first few pages it seems, wise choice to avoid the madness. b:avoid
yeah, useless quarrel indeed... the life of forum ppl b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks for Flauschkatze for siggy b:cool
VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
HA > LA > AR... GG
HA + VIT = win b:bye0
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