diamond of tiger

RainZ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Is diamond of tiger useful in replacement of garnet gems for weapon? Im not quite sure how +1 attack lvl work...feedback pls b:thanks

Nope never. A diamond of tiger typically adds around 1% more damage and even a flawless garnet does better than that. Garnet gems are usually 3-4 times better.

Diamond of tiger only really makes sense in armor and you can socket 24 of them to get +24 attack level.

I already have 12 diamond of tiger in my armor, and I have the other 12 in bank. I've been setting this up for a while on my end game armor. Its nice when I go into instance and I do +22% damage every hit.

RainZ - Raging Tide wrote: »

Is there some sort of effect... like lightning or fire when u 4 socket the armor with it?

no its kinda disapointing but 4 socket vit ston/DOT/DOD armor has no sninyness

lol i thought mana shards gave spikes and blue glow...i know vit stones kind of give sparkles or something

i think heavy classes benefit from full attack level shards the most. their armor's magic defense is already high enough that just with refined ornaments they can reach good mdef. most heavies socket citrines anyway but their armor has good refinement too.

Smobo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

since 1 attack level = 1% more damage, a diamond of tiger will be better if:
1% more damage > +75 phys attack.

Which means, you would need to have an average base physical attack (pre gems) of 7500 or more, Diamond of Tiger would be better than a garnet gem.

Thats what i thought too, but when i put a Diamond of Tiger in my lunar bow, my damage didnt go up at all. I think the Attack level system is broken TBH. I just recently resharded my weapon with a Garnet Gem and i have 460 more p atk now.

☆Heaven Shatterer +5 w/ 2 Immacs - Build: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=e3582a35acbe0b1c
Physical Atk.: 7544.00 - 11116.00

☆Heaven Shatterer +5 w/ 2 Diamond of Tigers - Build: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=f3e4b9feca4c3445
Physical Atk.: 7364.40 - 11007.84
Note: There are no DoTs in pwcalc, so I just increased damage manually by 2%

Both min and max damage are less with Diamond of Tigers when compared to Immacs.

Kind of off-topic, but it made me wonder, how/when exactly do +1/2 def shards get calculated? Is it effective for a light armor user to put them in armor or would it benefit a class with high defenses more, EG wizards/BMs?

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

Kind of off-topic, but it made me wonder, how/when exactly do +1/2 def shards get calculated? Is it effective for a light armor user to put them in armor or would it benefit a class with high defenses more, EG wizards/BMs?

You could try restating the amount of HP lost from 24 slots (this depends on what grades you prefer) and using those slots as +24% damage.

If you're planning on 24 immaculate citrines, then for a Wizard, restat 120 Magic to Vitality. Check the m.attack with +24% damage vs your m.attack without +24% and you can see which is more beneficial.

If you're planning on for example, 24 perfect citrines, then that's 1488 hp or 149 Vitality points for a Wizard. Repeat the procedure until you're satisfied with what you need to know.

I was simulating this exact thing for an Archer for an hour in excel, but my PC crashed and I lost all the data... The only thing I remember was with absolute EG gear (+12 everything, full savant stones and a +12 r8 bow) you're sacrificing 1 HP for 2 average DPS (savant vs DoT) i.e not worth the effort of 24x DoT stones at EG.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

i think he was talking about def lvl shards

Oh, oops.

I should L2Read.

Let me see what I can suggest after re-reading his post.

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

Kind of off-topic, but it made me wonder, how/when exactly do +1/2 def shards get calculated? Is it effective for a light armor user to put them in armor or would it benefit a class with high defenses more, EG wizards/BMs?

Ok, now that I learnt how to read...

The amount of damage you inflict is:

Damage_raw = (raw skill damage)*((100+offensive buff %)/100)*((100+(A-D))/100))
Damage_final = (Damage_raw)*((100+-(level difference))/100))*((100-opponent's resistance %)/100)*(other factors)

So looking at the above, defensive level (D) negates an attack level (A), which could be assumed to reduce whatever raw damage the foe inflicts.

This means for example if someone can theoretically hit you 100k raw damage, a 1% def level makes that 99k, which then go through resistances and penalties.

If you take 100k, which becomes 25k in PvP, this becomes (with 80%reduction using LA) 5000 damage.

If you take 100k with 70% in arcane, that's 7500.

If you take 99k with 1def level, which is 24750 in PvP @ 80% you receive 4950.

If you take 76k with 24def level shards, that becomes 19000 which at 80% is 3800.

If you take 99k with 1def level, which is 24750 in PvP @ 70% you receive 7425.

If you take 76k with 24def level shards, that becomes 19000 which at 70% is 5700.

Seems like it benefits lower resistance classes more than high resistance classes, although the survival index is better for a high defense class.

Something i don't understand, you said you can put like 12 gem on armor ? Isn't the max 4 socket ? Maybe i misunderstand something ^^

Hewwwww ok i see, now i understand ^^

Sharding Gear with DoTs is something I wish more archers would be willing to try. One thing end game archers complain about is archers just don't do enough damage to kill anyone. If we get one shot by almost everything anyway then why not just add more attack? In LC DoTs are slightly cheaper than Immac shards, which are what most people who don't spend a lot of money have. 24 Immac shards is an extra 1200 HP. The thing is no one who doesn't spend a lot of money has 24 sockets. I think most people have around 15? So about 15% more damage at the cost of loosing 750 HP might work especially if you can refine all of your armor one more time. Of course the amount of HP you lose by adding DoTs is much higher if you can actually afford better shards.

if you get all your armor over lvl 13, you can add +2 def (eg armor) on hl, at least, this is fairly cheap (about 7,5mil per shard, as opposed to 15-22 mil for a citrine gem)however, if you manage to fill all of your armor sockets, you should take 48% less dmg. essentially, this should be comparable to adding 96% of your base hp in sockets. if you have about 3k hp, you would be hard pressed to equal this with citrine shards. Also, the 48% dmg reduction allows you to regain hp much faster. in addition to saving money on the shards, your charm, even if it ticks just as often as it would with citrines, ticks for only half the hp, and potting becomes a lot easier, especially if you plan on using instant heals (e.g. second wind / instant 1-4k hp apo pots) or percentual heals (e.g, ToP or 60% apo pots)

my humble opinion.