Is PW intentionally trying to kill PWI?

Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »

if you don't like it. I suggest you take yourselves lock stock and barrel to another game

The trouble with the "If you dont like it leave" solution is thats what usually happens and you end up like Everquest is now. The Everquest forums were full of posts like yours in '93.

You post assumes that the number of people leaving will never be enough to hurt the game, which is pretty overconfident given past history with MMO's.

EQ catered to the belief that they needed to be more like that blizzard game and eventually killed the game

I think EQ killed itself about the time of OOW expansion, or perhaps one earlier, which was just before WOW came out. I believe the dumbing down of the game has if anything extended the life it would have had otherwise, if it had continued along the path it was treading in 93.
Given WOW's success, it's a rather odd argument that becoming more like wow is going to lose your playerbase. I think its pretty widely accepted now that MMO's are going to sink or swim according to how they treat their casual players, since casual players form the overall bulk of your playerbase.

Not to say that there isnt room for an MMO which is tough and slow, but i think such a developer might have trouble getting investment capital.

Thrasymachus - Sanctuary wrote: »

I disagree with this. Everybody that logs on to the game costs PWI money. They only make money when people buy zen. Anybody that doesn't buy zen isn't an asset to PWI, or the game, I don't care what level you are or how long you've been here or what faction you're in, or anything like that. You're a drain on server resources, and you're lucky the in-game economy is such that you can provide a service to people who do buy zen by farming or merchanting and thereby justify your existence somewhat to those who are paying for the game to be up. If PWI wants to put more stuff in the cash shop to encourage people to buy zen, then not only is that their right, but those who don't buy zen should be grateful PWI is making money so they can pay for their freeloading butts.

Cash shop games like this are great because they let you try the game out and decide what level of investment you want to make in the game in terms of time/money. But if you play everyday for an hour or more and have for more than a couple of months, and you don't occasionally buy zen, you are a despicable freeloading leech of a human being.

Since that's the matter of opinion, I won't try to convince you. But there is other thing worth mentioning: balance. It's obvious that cash player should have little advantage. But when it comes too far, whole system is ruined. Now: on one hand you have players who bought their way on top and will get bored eventually, on the other frustrated players, who'll leave the game. You can say that non paying part of community is insignificant in the eyes of big company, but they still need them. If they need non paying part of comunity, they're not leeches. When there is nothing to get, and nothing to achieve, all you can do, is help other or quit. And if the playerbase will shrink, guess what they'll do?

Maybe I'm wrong, but when you see two more upcoming games from PWE, you have to start thinking about possibility, that they've decided to abandon this project and don't care to much, only milk playerbase as much as possible. I just like PWI, and I don't want to be forced to leave it soon.

Once again, posts and threads made during maint amuse me. Please, everyone, continue with your incessant racket...
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Thrasymachus - Sanctuary wrote: »

I disagree with this. Everybody that logs on to the game costs PWI money. They only make money when people buy zen. Anybody that doesn't buy zen isn't an asset to PWI, or the game, I don't care what level you are or how long you've been here or what faction you're in, or anything like that. You're a drain on server resources, and you're lucky the in-game economy is such that you can provide a service to people who do buy zen by farming or merchanting and thereby justify your existence somewhat to those who are paying for the game to be up. If PWI wants to put more stuff in the cash shop to encourage people to buy zen, then not only is that their right, but those who don't buy zen should be grateful PWI is making money so they can pay for their freeloading butts.

Cash shop games like this are great because they let you try the game out and decide what level of investment you want to make in the game in terms of time/money. But if you play everyday for an hour or more and have for more than a couple of months, and you don't occasionally buy zen, you are a despicable freeloading leech of a human being.

And you are what is called a troll. Insults to people just don't make you look that good in my opinion.

Moving on to the actual topic, I've basically had to resign myself to accept that it is now a pay to win game. Its not the level buying that bothers me really, if people want to spend 380 dollars to level some pixels from 30-80 then that is their choice. What bothers me, is that this game is indeed having the life choked out of it by all this. I played Sanctuary basically from the get go, I played Harshlands when it started, left when all the cash shop stuff started up, and now I'm playing Raging Tide (Came back for tideborns, wanted a fresh start without oracles... we saw how well that worked...). Every time I log in, I see less and less people, my friends list has tons on it, but some of those names never light up anymore. I think it hurts new players coming into the game too, people run bhs all day so they can't help the new people out, and then when bhs are done, people now will go into FC and hyper exp for an hour or so, and then basically either go live in TT or go lag West Archosaur some more in catshop form.

The other thing that bugs me is the lucky packs... why nirvana mats? That instance was added a month ago... ok, a month and a half ago, I digress, it's basically brand new. I doubt people are gonna bother farming it now... which means less to look forward to endgame for many people.

Here's what I don't get. When you level like that, what do you truly have in the end to say for it? You have no funny boss stories to look back upon and smile about, you have no one on your friends list, and you get to the end of a game that has no endgame content. If you play a PvE server, what is there anymore for you? You spend all that money... but what does it get you? On a PvP server, you can join in the PvP action, I admit, that is incentive for many but still, you miss out on the lowbie level pk tensions and fun.

*The above is a giant wall of text.

Saitaida first off i have come and read the forums in the past few months,
and I have to agree with several others, You are an arrogant self centered egotistical flamer, troll and you think this entire game and the forums revolves around you. I particularly don't care how many thousands of real dollars you have spent on this game or how intelligent you truly think you are, the basic fact is this is a free to play MMO and its about the community of players who play the game for fun and entertainment not who can get to endgame each new update. You may think that you and the few hundred other paying players are keeping this game going and the company in business but your sadly mistaken, this game is already complete has been for 4 almost 5 years in Asia.
The developers send the coding over to this an American translation company or subsidiary if you will who do nothing more than instruct the program to activate the translated code. The majority of us are correct here, in stating that the company is not listening to our concerns we all love this game and would not be here playing if we didn't lord knows there are 100s if not thousands of free to play games in the world market with new ones everyday. The fact that this company has two free to play games and two more in development as well as one paid fully published game is evidence that they are in no financial strain, but the real fact remains that this is a free to play mmo it was advertised and fully promoted as such, and the majority of players would like the bugs fixed and the sales to be stifled as in this country and many others in the world the economy is shot, and for many Americans looking for a job daily with no success or working in a dead end job this game provides stress free source of entertainment so they don't go out and rob a bank or kill someone to pay the bills or perhaps sell themselves into slavery all real occurrences trust me. we have just as uch right and reason to be here and play for free the difference is that were here for the sole entertainment and enjoyment of socializing with others dealing with the same problems in life. I am happy that you were fortunate to have avoided what most of the country faces, but please don't forget all that wealth and power and material possessions could be taken from you in an instant and no one would even care show some compassion or least appear to to all the players who don't even have credit cards or the extra 10 dollars to buy a zen card and think for just a minute how you would respond to your own comments it you were just like the rest of us.

frankieraye wrote: »

The idea that PWE would intentionally try to "kill" its own game is pretty ridiculous, but I'm willing to keep this thread up for people to discuss what they like or don't like about what we do.

Let's just move away from the name-calling and aggression, all right?

Thank you, Frankie, although amusing for a brief time, the flame war was becoming annoying at best. It's good to see that you do not shut things down when people try to discuss things that they like or dislike.

FionaCattail - Sanctuary wrote: »

actually, you're not thinking the whole thing through.. it's true that the G being sold came from someone purchasing zen, but, I don't think the ones using in-game coin should get the same rewards as someone charging zen.. i.e. enhanced exp items should only be available to people that are spending zen they themselves charged, as opposed to being available to someone who opened a coral and got a frostcovered sign of force and was able to sell it for 30M in-game let them use that in-game coin to purchase G which allows them to buy angels, or clothing, or even mats, but not enhanced EXP items... that's my point

Ahh, I really get what you're saying. ^^ Some people have to use real money to buy the Hyper Exp because they dont have enough in-game coin where as all the other people who are considered rich in the game, just have to use in-game coin to buy the gold for the Hyper Exp. That's really a shame. =( Kind of unfair, even.

If that was the case, all you'd have to do is join a TW faction, get some portion of money from the wars and buy your own Hyper EXP with the newly acquired in-game coin that can the be exchanged for gold. I think, as well, that Hyper Exp stones should only be accessible through paying real money for it.

callias wrote: »

you must be really really really stupid.
the company gets the money yes, but some of the money goes to the server, to be able to have them up for us and the rest of it probably goes in to their pocket.
Either way, they have to make money to keep this game up and make money for them selfs since this game is their job

L2READ way to miss the point. durrrrr

FionaCattail - Sanctuary wrote: »

actually, you're not thinking the whole thing through.. it's true that the G being sold came from someone purchasing zen, but, I don't think the ones using in-game coin should get the same rewards as someone charging zen.. i.e. enhanced exp items should only be available to people that are spending zen they themselves charged, as opposed to being available to someone who opened a coral and got a frostcovered sign of force and was able to sell it for 30M in-game let them use that in-game coin to purchase G which allows them to buy angels, or clothing, or even mats, but not enhanced EXP items... that's my point

Uh....what? So in other words take the last tiny hint of F2P thats left in PWI and crush it?

I dare them. In fact, I dare PWI to remove the AH altogether and make cs items untradable so that F2P players benefit in no way whatsoever from the cash shop. Then I'll sit back and watch the game quietly die off.

PWI make a massive profit off the AH. It's the main incentive for nearly anyone charging zen. Easy way to turn your real like cash into in-game coin. With that option removed zen sales would literally plummet.

FionaCattail - Sanctuary wrote: »

no, I'm talking REAL cash shoppers, not people who buy gold using in-game.. I believe that people that are spending money and therefore keeping the game running should be rewarded, I mean think about it, without them, there would be no game, period.

They are rewarded, it's called a CASH SHOP. they choose to sell their gold then we should be able to use that gold WE buy for anything THEY can. it's as simple as that.

I can spend $10 sell for 4million coins re-buy gold at a cheaper rate and load up on anything I want. or I can save up 4million coins, buy 10 gold and resell it higher, make a profit and buy gold when the price drops. either way, I'm contributing to the market, I deserve to be able to spend the gold I acquire in any way I see fit.

frankieraye wrote: »

The idea that PWE would intentionally try to "kill" its own game is pretty ridiculous *snip*

Wouldn't be the first I've seen. but look how many games are being added, PWI is being all but ignored. There's no bug fixes, just more sales to soak out what can be before sending people to the next game in line.

Do you not see this side of things that many of us do?