"Professional" tamers...

Pinkiny - Raging Tide · January 2010

Iseria - Harshlands wrote: »

+1 to the altguy/gal

when i wanted my dodo bear I camped the area and when respawn was getting near I called people in my faction and PKd the other venos.

Thats why people in my Fact (not on RT) tamed a rare pet they had a lvl29 joining them.
Just in case people like show up, there was still the option to just kill that pet.
And because you have to lower its HP, its pretty easy to onehit them for an archer or cleric b:laugh

Marista - Lost City · January 2010

StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »

.....WHat?

How does it increase the amount of pets people can have?
The pet spawns, and somebody tames it. End of story. It doesnt matter if that person is a low level veno that just wants it cause its "cute" or a rich 9x veno with -chan gear.

eheh ShamANNIPACKS

Because...

This is a good point, and reminded me of another thing--you really wouldn't have much chance of finding the times if we were gone. 3/4 times or more, it's just those of us who want them to sell at the spawns, and it's very easy to lose a time--don't go one day and if no one else goes, then poof. Now you've got a lot of camping to do or wait for maint.

So, if you think the occasional person wanting to tame one would come often enough to keep them on time, you're wrong, and if people aren't willing to put the effort in to beat us, they most certainly aren't going to be willing to camp for huge periods of time. Even I rarely have the ambition to camp instead of waiting for next week's maint, because I have a lot to do, in game and irl, and sitting and constantly watching in one stop isn't feasible. And if you somehow got rid of us, you would only know what time they came once a week, and after that... Thus, it hurts people who want to tame them for themselves to have us gone too, probably more than it would help.

Please keep up with the topic if you're going to continue to participate in the discussion.

Vintersun - Sanctuary · January 2010

This is the biggest problem with many of the players of PWI, you are all to greedy and selfish to actually make PWI a fun for all game. Real life mostly suck when it comes to work and money because of greedy and selfish people and for some reason we have to bring that into a game where everyone actually can make a diffrence. Helping others, not overpricing and stuff like that would make pwi much better...but who cares its better to be greedy and selfish.

And Yea why do we always have to hear the sad story of thoes greedy selfish players "I work for taming", "I lose money on all class pet packs", and so on.

There I have said it >_<

StormHydra - Sanctuary · January 2010

Marista - Lost City wrote: »

Because...

Please keep up with the topic if you're going to continue to participate in the discussion.

Well from what I read, the area is camped by tons of random Venos. So Im guessing everyone just blew it out of proportion, as usual.

kisjozisi · January 2010

I'm one of the rare pet tamers. I fully agree with the other tamers and I dont really understand why low lvl (barely lvl 20/mostly secoud char/) venos cry about this whole story. I mean just because you have a tame skill and you are a veno...that means you can have everything you want for free? Tamers spend a lot of coins to be fast, especially who has like 40%-50%+ channeling gear...And what do you think, they catched any pets on lvl 20? Well I didn't, cause there is allways some1 who is faster. But I was Never so childish to kill it so they can't tame it. I never hated them, I became like them.
oh, and nothing is impossible if you really want it, and you have luck.
Another thing: tabby costs here 450k/ puppy ~800k/ shaodu cub 1,5m/ piggy ~1m..etc./ I really dont think they are sooo overpriced for a Veno...(maybe it is for lvl20 ones...)and they are not soo good pets that you can't live without them.

Vintersun - Sanctuary · January 2010

kisjozisi wrote: »

I'm one of the rare pet tamers. I fully agree with the other tamers and I dont really understand why low lvl (barely lvl 20/mostly secoud char/) venos cry about this whole story. I mean just because you have a tame skill and you are a veno...that means you can have everything you want for free? Tamers spend a lot of coins to be fast, especially who has like 40%-50%+ channeling gear...And what do you think, they catched any pets on lvl 20? Well I didn't, cause there is allways some1 who is faster. But I was Never so childish to kill it so they can't tame it. I never hated them, I became like them.
oh, and nothing is impossible if you really want it, and you have luck.
Another thing: tabby costs here 450k/ puppy ~800k/ shaodu cub 1,5m/ piggy ~1m..etc./ I really dont think they are sooo overpriced for a Veno...(maybe it is for lvl20 ones...)and they are not soo good pets that you can't live without them.

Who is the one crying O.o?

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear · January 2010

kisjozisi wrote: »

I Like Chicken Wings with lettuce and mayo, i dont have it often but i have it enough to know i like it.

I love how you have gone faceless to post all this whereas the pet tamers with a backbone who posted here said their piece on their main despite any flaming they could and did get.

XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver · January 2010

I used to tame on my veno for selling - I got pretty much the same comments. "Selfish", "greedy".... come on. It's a good way to make money and those pets are, may I remind you, completely optional and mostly used for vanity anyways (outside the kowlin, really, the others have average/good stats, but are pwned by the common ones in one area or the other). They are by no way needed, and are free to tame by whoever wants. Then do whatever you want with it.

And yes, I used to be a low-level veno with next to no channeling gear, and I wanted these pets. I just worked for it and got to my 70's with decent -chan gear. Iunno why people think they are entitled to have them because they're low levels, high levels, the first one there, etc... >_>.

My tip: Get there, try to tame, sometimes even the venos with -chan doesn't get it and a lower level gets 'em.

Evga - Sanctuary · January 2010

Vintersun - Sanctuary wrote: »

This is the biggest problem with many of the players of PWI, you are all to greedy and selfish to actually make PWI a fun for all game. Real life mostly suck when it comes to work and money because of greedy and selfish people and for some reason we have to bring that into a game where everyone actually can make a diffrence. Helping others, not overpricing and stuff like that would make pwi much better...but who cares its better to be greedy and selfish.

And Yea why do we always have to hear the sad story of thoes greedy selfish players "I work for taming", "I lose money on all class pet packs", and so on.

There I have said it >_<

do you know why people are greedy in the game? that is becuase life sucks, and it's hard to have two completely different personality. one for rl and one for in game. Life in the real world isn't easy, and being selfish and greedy, is pretty much the only way to survive unless you have a very nice inheritance.

btw, its like becoming a doctor, singer, football player etc, every single one of those profession requires a huge amount of effort to be put in, before gaining a substantial return. Now, does anybody go around telling those doctor they are earning too much money? that they should practice medicine for free? how about the debt they accumulated going to med school and time they spend in school, who is going to pay for it?

it's similar to rare pet taming, people spend time practicing, learn the method, buying equipment, learning the best strategy. Now all those, require some investment of time into it. So, if you are going to deny those tamers, the chance for this sort of income, you might as well tell the world, that there is an upper limit to how much a person can get paid regardless of how much work and effort they put into it.

cheers

Evga - Sanctuary · January 2010

krelianmage wrote: »

I also wish we had some rule to prevent 'professional' tamers, like those eggs being untradeable like nix/herc or something. then people would stop ' farming' them after they got theirs

Yeah, i also hate those tamers. in my server, sanctuary, there are some high lvl venos, in the faction that owns the map, that buy the 0 chanel pots (only available for the faction the owns certain lands) , and whenever a rare pet spawn, one of them is there... they dont rly need them, cause they are damn rich already (dont tell u are not, i can see by your gears, all refined and sharded with high lvl gems), they do it cause they are greedy, thats the only explanation.
I have a solution. set dragon breath a few minutes b4 pet spawn, and leave it there until it kills it.

I would not do it out of jealously, I would do it to prevent greedy and rich lvl 100 venos to get it. This or people just stop paying high prices for useless rare pets.

Or do u rly believe in that ' i give some pets for free for people who deserve them' story? That made laugh hard

hi, noob :P only an idiot would use zero channeling pot :P for as long as i've done taming zero channeling pot doesn't work too well if unless you use genie to deal damage instead of another pet. Using zero channeling pot is a recipe for failure since you will be too fast, and it will be base on luck rather than skill to tame it.

Moreover if you use genie to deal damage, shaodu cub can actually stun you and disrupt your taming.

So you sir fail. as for nef being rich, the pay we receive goes to one thing, charm, attack charm, defense char, pots cost for tw. and really, at this point do you think even with high sharded and refine mean anything? have you sees people with +10 refine on their armour from reg? it cost about 120 mil in game coins to make one armour +10, so that is about 120 rare pet to get +10 for one of your armour. since there is 6 part to an amour that people normally refine, that is about 720 mil.... 720 rare pet divided by 2, is 360... so you need 360 days of pure rare pet taming with constant success to get it.

and that is the price of keep up with opposing faction.

Kitsuneaki - Sanctuary · January 2010

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

hi, noob :P only an idiot would use zero channeling pot :P for as long as i've done taming zero channeling pot doesn't work too well if unless you use genie to deal damage instead of another pet. Using zero channeling pot is a recipe for failure since you will be too fast, and it will be base on luck rather than skill to tame it.

Moreover if you use genie to deal damage, shaodu cub can actually stun you and disrupt your taming.

So you sir fail. as for nef being rich, the pay we receive goes to one thing, charm, attack charm, defense char, pots cost for tw. and really, at this point do you think even with high sharded and refine mean anything? have you sees people with +10 refine on their armour from reg? it cost about 120 mil in game coins to make one armour +10, so that is about 120 rare pet to get +10 for one of your armour. since there is 6 part to an amour that people normally refine, that is about 720 mil.... 720 rare pet divided by 2, is 360... so you need 360 days of pure rare pet taming with constant success to get it.

and that is the price of keep up with opposing faction.

hey are you still tamming those rare pets then?
I've manages to steal a couple from you(froggies) when i played on Sanct. my lv 17 veno Akiraana lol.

to OP- stop complaining, rare pets are rare for a reason. They wont make rules for it, as they never have. No matter what lv these tammers are, you always have a chance. Ive caught several frogs against high lvs before b:cute

Evga - Sanctuary · January 2010

hehe yes. So, i have this question, if somebody goes to rare pet and kills the pet over and over again without even taming, is that griefing?

Vitenka - Dreamweaver · January 2010

Using the powder and then taming works, I've seen people do it - they rely on the other people trying to tame it to deal the damage, wait till the pet is at a sensible HP percent (or someone else has nearly finished their channel) pop the powder tame and fly.

Whether it's cost effective, I don't know.

And yeah, repeatedly killing the rare pet would be griefing.

Evga - Sanctuary · January 2010

sweet, time to get a video and report people :P

HyperVioLet - Heavens Tear · January 2010

Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I love how you have gone faceless to post all this whereas the pet tamers with a backbone who posted here said their piece on their main despite any flaming they could and did get.

And I love nagging persons...Since I never posted any message on any forums, forgive me my faceless/nameless style....A name is just a name, it won't change anything I write...

Vintersun - Sanctuary · January 2010

Evga - Sanctuary wrote: »

do you know why people are greedy in the game? that is becuase life sucks, and it's hard to have two completely different personality. one for rl and one for in game. Life in the real world isn't easy, and being selfish and greedy, is pretty much the only way to survive unless you have a very nice inheritance.

btw, its like becoming a doctor, singer, football player etc, every single one of those profession requires a huge amount of effort to be put in, before gaining a substantial return. Now, does anybody go around telling those doctor they are earning too much money? that they should practice medicine for free? how about the debt they accumulated going to med school and time they spend in school, who is going to pay for it?

it's similar to rare pet taming, people spend time practicing, learn the method, buying equipment, learning the best strategy. Now all those, require some investment of time into it. So, if you are going to deny those tamers, the chance for this sort of income, you might as well tell the world, that there is an upper limit to how much a person can get paid regardless of how much work and effort they put into it.

cheers

I have the right to think that people are greedy but thats not the same thing as denying their chance of a income. And also no one in a game need an income to actually survive your character wont starve to death. I am saving to a herc all in coins since I am poor in real life so buying pet packs is not on my map. I know I will need +50mil and currently I only have like 5mil. Do you know how much work I have spent on just those 5 mil, while it takes hours a day for me to grind 100k someone else is selling a kitty and getting 1-3 mil so don't tell me anything how hard it is to raise money. Also even though I am saving I still try to not be so greedy if someone asks me for something it happens that I give it away for free if they desperately need it.
Feeding greed isn't something good in my opinion. And a game is still a game and it isn't more than we make it.

Tatuaje - Lost City · January 2010

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And yeah, repeatedly killing the rare pet would be griefing.

I disagree about this.

How is killing a mob that has nothing to do with quests or progression through the game considered griefing??

Vitenka - Dreamweaver · January 2010

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

I disagree about this.

How is killing a mob that has nothing to do with quests or progression through the game considered griefing?

Uh, because that's what it is. You're deliberately setting out to ruin other people's fun.

turdstealer · January 2010

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Uh, because that's what it is. You're deliberately setting out to ruin other people's fun.

Ummm.... No. There is no qualitative difference between waiting on a spawn to kill it and waiting on that same spawn to tame it. Killing it is no more griefing than taming it is, provided that killing the mob provides some benefit (XP, drops, etc.) -- unless that mob is a bottleneck quest mob (and to my knowledge, none of the rares are), in which case repeated killing would be classified as preventing another character from advancing.

You've argued -- rather successfully, I might add -- that taming/owning a rare is neither necessary in the game, nor an absolute right. This applies to you as well.

XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver · January 2010

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

I disagree about this.

How is killing a mob that has nothing to do with quests or progression through the game considered griefing??

Most of these rare pet mobs take 12 hours to respawn and are camped everyday by several people (I've seen 15, 20+ people on the spawn points). I've known people who would willingly kill the mob because:

1. Increased value: less on the market, higher the offer;
2. They didn't get the pet and don't want anyone else to have it;
3. They want to prevent other people from having their fun.

Repeatedly from the same person, I'd call it griefing.

Tatuaje - Lost City · January 2010

Your point about making price increase for the market.

This is also done by the same people taming them. If the same people get the pets then they decide the market. I would actually say the Venos taming are more at vault then the killers of the mobs in this case.

Your second point.

Sometimes being a jerk to stop other jerks seems ok when perhaps it isn't.

Your third point.

It's only fun when everyone is allowed to have a piece of the pie.

Personally I could care less for rare pets. To much QQ around them from both worlds. Tamers not sharing, people killing them for whatever reasons.

XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver · January 2010

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

Your point about making price increase for the market.

This is also done by the same people taming them. If the same people get the pets then they decide the market. I would actually say the Venos taming are more at vault then the killers of the mobs in this case.

I agree to that actually.

Your second point.

Sometimes being a jerk to stop other jerks seems ok when perhaps it isn't.

That's a part I don't really understand how it applies to veno tame spots... though I can see it being applied to other areas in the game.

I won't name names, but I knew a couple who'd work together to make sure no one else tamed but the wife, and it kinda ties in with my third point. I've seen the husband around a few times and he'd kill if she couldn't make it, or just to **** us off. And yes, he was proudly WCing about his act.

Iunno, but I'd call that griefing.

Solandri - Heavens Tear · January 2010

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

Your point about making price increase for the market.

This is also done by the same people taming them. If the same people get the pets then they decide the market. I would actually say the Venos taming are more at vault then the killers of the mobs in this case.

No, market price is where supply meets demand. Because of the constant influx of new players, demand is always increasing. If a pet is tamed and sold, it reduces demand, driving prices down. If a pet is killed, demand continues to go up, and so the price goes up. (A rare pet being tamed by a prospective buyer also reduces demand, lowering prices. Likewise, a rare pet being tamed by someone who didn't really want it but decides to keep it has the same effect on market prices as killing it.)

I don't know where people get this idea that sellers somehow control the market price. The market price is the price at which the number of items for sale equals the number of people willing to buy them at that price. If the sellers have 5 rare pet eggs for sale but set them at a price where only 2 people are willing to buy them, they will not magically get 5 sales. The will only get 2 sales, and won't be able to sell the remaining 3 until they lower the price.

XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I won't name names, but I knew a couple who'd work together to make sure no one else tamed but the wife, and it kinda ties in with my third point. I've seen the husband around a few times and he'd kill if she couldn't make it, or just to **** us off. And yes, he was proudly WCing about his act.

Iunno, but I'd call that griefing.

I've been out of the rare pet scene for about 10 months. But back then, when a person on HT starting killing the same rare pet spawn over and over, enough people reported him that the GMs were announcing that it was bannable, and to stop doing it.

Foxymage - Harshlands · January 2010

i came across a bunny while i was on my wizzy and killed it because it was a lvl 19 bunny lol

XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver · January 2010

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I don't know where people get this idea that sellers somehow control the market price.

Sellers have SOME control; they are able to influence price en masse, or if they're the only seller. But this only works if prices are reasonable.

Because the general rule is indeed how much is a buyer going to pay. And if you really wanna sell at all cost, you'll reduce your price. The more on the market, the more the options to buy: you'll lower your price, the next one beside you will do the same, etc. Well, it's really offer and demand vs. value...

I've been out of the rare pet scene for about 10 months. But back then, when a person on HT starting killing the same rare pet spawn over and over, enough people reported him that the GMs were announcing that it was bannable, and to stop doing it.

I remember something like that back when I was on HT... that and dragging the bosses to town (after Valentine's Day fiasco where the same guild would pull Jewelscalen up to the digging patch for that quest). I wasn't in the taming scene on HT, but I was on DW until my early 70's. I just got bored of attending the spawns. Kinda want again, but for my own AC pets, since all my cash is going to armor >_>.

Evga - Sanctuary · January 2010

Vintersun - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have the right to think that people are greedy but thats not the same thing as denying their chance of a income. And also no one in a game need an income to actually survive your character wont starve to death. I am saving to a herc all in coins since I am poor in real life so buying pet packs is not on my map. I know I will need +50mil and currently I only have like 5mil. Do you know how much work I have spent on just those 5 mil, while it takes hours a day for me to grind 100k someone else is selling a kitty and getting 1-3 mil so don't tell me anything how hard it is to raise money. Also even though I am saving I still try to not be so greedy if someone asks me for something it happens that I give it away for free if they desperately need it.
Feeding greed isn't something good in my opinion. And a game is still a game and it isn't more than we make it.

Well point taken :P well, you have the right to think people are greedy, but i hate it when people start whining about it. Everyone is entitle to their own opinion but when you try to insert what you think to me, and make me the enemy, that is when i retaliate :P i don't make all this thread :P

but you are right, money in game is hard to make, but trust me if you look around and have a free computer to catshop all day, you can make a lot with that 5 million you have. but you need to understand, a lot of us, are playing to win and well you need coins to win :P

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

I disagree about this.

How is killing a mob that has nothing to do with quests or progression through the game considered griefing??

well, how about doing it every 12 hours and everyday? it may not be a quest mob but you are preventing another person from getting it. But either way i'll just submit a ticket and see what happen. but i'll say this, i still win because the veno trying to kill it is too slow :P

and this is done out of spite for me. it's been done to one of my friend before who is another crazy tamer like me. so we will see

HyperVioLet - Heavens Tear · January 2010

"If you can't have it kill it"-its the rule of fallen venos who can't lose. They don't wanna waste money on -%channeling gear but they cry if some1 else is faster.
And just because you are lower lvl doesn't mean you have more right to tame rare pets. And why is some1 a jerk?Cause she spent her money on good gears and she use it?She wont give away the pets for free for every stranger veno?
Maybe you are not greedy cause you have no chance to be greedy.Or you only want to have average stuffs and gears, and you wanna call yourself "nice,nongreedy and perfect". Maybe there are ppl who have other desires. Or high lvls should delete themselves when they finally reached something?
Besides if some1 needs only 1 rare pet--which is way cheaper then any-%channeling gear--and you can't tame it, then save up money for it and buy it.End of story, end of tears.

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear · January 2010

Im surprised there are any pets left alive after being drowned in the mass of tears from both sides

Vitenka - Dreamweaver · January 2010

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Im surprised there are any pets left alive after being drowned in the mass of tears from both sides

Heh.

Re: Griefing:
If you kill it to annoy other people, that's grief. End.

If you kill a bunny because you happen across it and don't realise it's special (and the bunny rarely gets camped) then that's fine.

Doing it to drive up prices... that's borderline on griefing the entire damn server.

Quilue - Sanctuary · January 2010

Evga should makeover her shop alts b:chuckle

they ish ugly b:cry

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