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Bladespelll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

but i'm not gonna complain about something that they can't do anything about except killing everyone in west archo to fix.

You may be onto something here... have a timer of doom in west arch, if you stay too long BOOOM, your character blows up

I have two characters, my main level 76 Cleric, and a level 30 Venomancer. I don't have any problems with the MP recovery rate on these two magic based classes at either of my current levels. I only ever use MP charms for Rebirth on my Cleric, other than that I stick to the level 60 MP pots I can buy from from NPCs, level 70 MP pots I get as drops, and a mixture of various Apothecary medicines/powders etc that you make with herbs, although those I usually save for emergencies and/or boss fights due to their longer cooldown. Even the level 60 MP pots I tend to save for questing - if I'm just grinding for drops to make money, I kill a few mobs, then meditate. AoE grinding, I can easily kill 3 or 4 groups, each containing about 4 mobs before I have to stop to meditate, and given that my magic based class has (guess what!) a lot of points in MAG, you'll never believe this, but I actually regenerate my mana pretty damn quick when I meditate. Amazing that.

Also, as someone else has already asked, where's your proof that they reduced the base MP regeneration rate? I'll admit, I've only been playing PWI for about 6 months or so now, but my cleric still regenerates mana at the same rate now as he did before the Raging Tide expansion was released (well, slightly quicker now as he's higher level and so has more points in MAG). So what makes you think they've changed it in the first place?

Fangxing: Venos have Nature's Grace and they can flip their MP / HP stats and then heal themselves. I hear wizards have also somekind of mp regen spell. Clerics have 'none'. The irony with this is that as a cleric it is perfectly possible to consume up to 1k mp per second. Sure, this requires you to have the plume shell up and have a full spam of spells up, but it's still possible.

I never 'need' (But I will, if I can) to meditate in instances, because I don't use pots while grinding. I do this so that I can save my pots, apot items and whatnot for when I'm squaded and people depend on me. If I run out of mp in a middle of Ironheart spam, you can count on it that I'll be ripped to shreds by the squadies yelling how fail I am.

So there I am, meditating for ages just so that I can use pots later when more than I alone depend on it.

But is that a problem? Not really, my apot items are free, since I farm my own herbs and get some mp pot donations now and then. The problem comes when I'm doing a solo quest and have to meditate and it takes AAAAAGES.

What I'd like to see is a increase in recovering rates while meditating, not necessarily a recovery rate on overall. Oh, and please modify that plume shell so that it won't consume mana when you're hit, thanks.

Yeah I was wondering about the veno mp regen skill. When maxed it heals 50% mana. Note that its a % and not an actual number like the archer MP regen or cleric regen buffs/apoc pots. Venos dont even need the regen skill as much as cleric/wizards/psychics do.

Although it would be nice, it would just mess up the game system as we know it...

Like, it would be really awesome to have a good MP recovery rate but are you kidding? If we get faster rates, we'll only get used to it and ask for faster.

Buying charms is an optional thing. Yeah you practically need it later on, especially if your cleric. But its not like PWI is forcing you to buy one like "You have to buy this or else you will fail this game"

So I have to say... Unsure =/

I like them where they are b:surrender

betterwatchout wrote: »

In the end it's always going to be harder on the newbies making MP related classes more "hardcore to play" and "expensive" so.

Not sure why you think the current MP recovery rate makes magic classes harder and more expensive to play. Until two weeks ago, my cleric was my only character on PWI. Right from the very start when he was only level 1, I never had any real issues with either running out of mana, or with raising enough money to buy MP pots and of course, hanging onto any pots of a higher level I got as drops (that I therefore couldn't yet use) until I was able to make use of them. Most of the time when I die while attempting to solo my quests, it's simply because I get aggro on more mobs than I can handle - I hardly ever die because I run out of mana. And while I've never played a melee class such as a Blademaster or Barbarian, the repair costs that my friends tell me about for their heavy armor seems to generally be considerably higher than my own costs replacing those MP pots I burn through. So in my opinion, it actually seems to be cheaper for me to replace pots, than it is for them to repair their armor.

betterwatchout wrote: »

To recover 3k mp every 10 battles (cleric with plume as main attack) would mean atleast 16 mins of waiting for mp to come back every 10 battles with no pots.

Ok, I'd like to see the math you used to calculate that 16 mins figure.

As a counter to that though, allow me to share my own math with you;
My level 76 cleric currently has 277 magic and 6818 mana. If I just self-buff using my level 10 Celestial Guardian Seal, rather than use any apothecary items, I have a recovery rate of 25.5mp/s (and yes, it does go up in steps of 0.5, because when I watch my mana regenerate, it alternates between 25 one second, then 26 the next). Now, as it happens, my cleric also has a Nature's Breath molded necklace, which adds a further +7 to my recovery rate, but I'm excluding that from these calculations, as not every magic user will have one of those. So, if I meditate, my recovery rate doubles to 51mp/s. 6818 divided by 51 per second is 133.69 seconds. So, given that we'll need to deal with whole seconds, lets call that 134 seconds. So, in 2 minutes and 14 seconds, my cleric could recover his entire mana pool using just his own skills. As a further example, if I exclude the Cleric buff (seen as other magic users may not have a Cleric nearby to give them the buff), my recovery rate would be 31mp/s while meditating, and 6818 divided by 31 is 219.93 seconds. So again, going with whole seconds, that's 220 seconds required. Or 3 minutes 40 seconds. Clearly considerably longer than without my Cleric buff, but also clearly a good deal faster than your value.

Ok, so now that I've worked those two figures out, your figure looks so completely unrealistic, I've worked backwards from your end point to determine how it could possibly take that long to regenerate 3000 mana. The only way it would take at least 16 minutes to regenerate that amount would be if you had a regeneration rate of 3 mp/s. And given that it does seem to be 0.5mp/s for every 10 magic, and that, as far as I'm aware, no class has a base regeneration rate of less than 1mp/s, that would mean having no more than 40 magic. Of course, the issue with this is that, with only 40 magic allowed, you would have to be around level 88/89 before you'd actually reach 3000 mana. And I don't believe (although I'm willing to be corrected) that even a heavy armor magic user, such as the heavy armor veno builds, have that little magic by the time they reach that level. So unless your 16 minutes was a mistake and you actually meant to say 6 minutes, it's highly unlikely that any magic class (and especially not a Cleric using Celestial Guardian Seal) that actually had 3000 mana points would take 16 minutes to regenerate it all.

MP recovery rate is just fine. I have never had problems paying for pots ever and I have never used a charm either.

well for ppl who start newly it's kinda hard to buy pots if ur playing a caster imho... and besides it wudnt hurt to incrs mp recovery rate while ur meditating.... afterall the purpose in meditating/resting in every mmo is for quik mp/hp regen(well about twice to thrice as faster dan normal anyways)....my lvl 28 psychic has 2.8k mana.. and after i start meditating from o mana i ahve enuff time to go to the shop get a smoke, smoke it and come play ^^. so yea i think faster mana recovery during medi is a good idea besides it doesnt **** up the gameplay either. not like u can meditate during pvp for it to turn battles or ne thing like that!