Earthen rift and AoEing at 85+

Ballistixz - Heavens Tear
Ballistixz - Heavens Tear Posts: 690 Arc User
edited January 2010 in Assassin
ok well this is our only AoE skill pretty much. at max it deals base physical dmg and 400% weapon dmg. its a decent chunk of dmg being dealt but what i want to know is do any of u guys think it would be good enought for decent aoe grinding with good upgraded gear?
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  • rikako
    rikako Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    totally not worth, the delay is way too big for grinding and your LA.. the charm you bust is not even close to just using oracle for the same price lol. in conjunction with a bm you are more useful i guess.
  • Nagamorph - Harshlands
    Nagamorph - Harshlands Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Isn't Subsea Strike an AoE skill too?b:faint
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  • rikako
    rikako Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Nagamorph - Harshlands wrote: »
    Isn't Subsea Strike an AoE skill too?b:faint

    with a 30 seconds cooldown
  • Ballistixz - Heavens Tear
    Ballistixz - Heavens Tear Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ya it has a 30 second cooldown but now that i think about it, u can use subsea strike first in the aoe chain which will give 30% amp dmg to everything for earthen rift XD. completely forgot about that.

    also if archers can aoe im pretty sure we can aoe aswell. we do have deaden nerves/focus mind and a ton of genie skills/apoth items to help with tank aoeing. with decently upgraded gear that is socketed well i think we can pull it off. but it just all depends on how powerful earthen rift will be once its maxed out. but with 30% increase from deep chill and 30% increase from subsea strike and throwing in a tangling mire then im sure it will be very good dmg once maxed. not to mention dagger devotion of course.
  • rikako
    rikako Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    cuz archer have a zhen skill that keeps shooting till everything is dead b:shocked
  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Ballistixz - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ya it has a 30 second cooldown but now that i think about it, u can use subsea strike first in the aoe chain which will give 30% amp dmg to everything for earthen rift XD. completely forgot about that.

    also if archers can aoe im pretty sure we can aoe aswell. we do have deaden nerves/focus mind and a ton of genie skills/apoth items to help with tank aoeing. with decently upgraded gear that is socketed well i think we can pull it off. but it just all depends on how powerful earthen rift will be once its maxed out. but with 30% increase from deep chill and 30% increase from subsea strike and throwing in a tangling mire then im sure it will be very good dmg once maxed. not to mention dagger devotion of course.

    I used to AoE on Nightstream Island the lvl 80 mobs. Similar combo as you mentioned, but i used spark > rising dragon on closest mob > tangling mire > subsea > earthen

    You can get ~7-8% an hour and make like ~300-350K coins total but that is kind of low to cover your Exp scroll+HP charm because of current gold prices. Also there are plenty cheap oracles. As for now i think oracle > grinding on Exp scroll. Saves a lot of time and cost wise not that much different, unless you have a personal cleric to heal you out of party while you AoE.
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    oracle noob =/= proper advice. to op: experiment until you've found a combo you can efficiently kill a group with AOEs. you will of course need to upgrade your weapon slightly if you want to get the most damage out of your assassin. hell, i went as far as making he TT80 gold bow as an opener to kill people >.>; it works wonders.
  • Sneakret - Heavens Tear
    Sneakret - Heavens Tear Posts: 618 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Good god I want that bow b:chuckle -interval and inc dmg
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  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    oracle noob =/= proper advice. to op: experiment until you've found a combo you can efficiently kill a group with AOEs. you will of course need to upgrade your weapon slightly if you want to get the most damage out of your assassin. hell, i went as far as making he TT80 gold bow as an opener to kill people >.>; it works wonders.

    So let me get this straight. I need to mindless grind from 1 to 80 in order to learn how to just click all buffs and hit mobs with the only 2 AoE skills we got?
    LOL what a tard. b:chuckle


    And LOL @ making TT80 bow as opening to kill ppl. haha made my day.

    P.S: The thread title says 85+ now GTFO
  • Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear
    Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    no but it is nice to take your time with your character and learn the skills slowly :)


    whats wrong with making a bow for an assassin? i have a bow for mine dex increases range attack and assassins sure have an abundance of Dex, just like a archer using normal attacks :)

    i know bms that use bows too b:shutup

    and barbs that use claws O_O


    there is more then one way to skin a cat and you learn them by actually playing the game ;D

    btw if you didn't notice the person who started the thread is only 45...he is asking the possibilities that assassins will have in the future of ther lvling up.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    forget that!
    xD
    oracle from 1-100 in a month.
    fail for the next 2 months and learn the ways not to fail.
    ???
    Profit.

    xD
    that be much much more time saving and will get us a decent player of a class.
    b:chuckle

    just don't spend the 2 months failing in squads me am in lol.
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  • Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear
    Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear Posts: 372 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    save the money on oracles and spend it on good gear and sexy fashion b:victory



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  • Vorhes - Dreamweaver
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    i was think of using a bow.......when i playe the MY version archers there switch with fist when the mobe gets colser with low life....so why wouldnt it work the opposite way since we have alot of dex too?
  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Vorhes - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    i was think of using a bow.......when i playe the MY version archers there switch with fist when the mobe gets colser with low life....so why wouldnt it work the opposite way since we have alot of dex too?

    1. If you are an archer high level enough to use the close range archer skills and still decide to use fist to mow down mobs, you fail.

    2. Assassin cant use skills while a bow is equipped (in fact you can't even use skills unless you have daggers on) and your range is nothig compared to an archer's. Also you have throw dagger which is 30 meters, in case you want to pull anything.

    3. That other person said clearly "using a bow as opening" instead of opening from stealth, using shadow teles, or at least using a skill to prevent ppl from running freely.

    4. If you still think assassin using bow for grinding is efficient go ahead. That is 1 sin less i have to worry about while going into stealth for at least 2 months.
  • rikako
    rikako Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    typical oracler.. wow..

    1. put dagger on
    2. use inner harmony
    3. use any buff you consider useful i.e. wolf emblem
    4. switch to bow
    5. use spark
    6. profit??
  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    rikako wrote: »
    typical oracler.. wow..

    1. put dagger on
    2. use inner harmony
    3. use any buff you consider useful i.e. wolf emblem
    4. switch to bow
    5. use spark
    6. profit??

    Haven't oracle sin 76 hunny. As i said, if you still think bow is efficient go ahead. Im not gonna try to save you hours of mindless inefficient grind.
  • rikako
    rikako Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    totally inneffecient, if a mob cant even get to hit me oO
  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    rikako wrote: »
    totally inneffecient, if a mob cant even get to hit me oO

    Trying to flame me so bad that you forget archers have bow mastery and fire attack bonus off 40% of base dmg on auto attacks? b:chuckle Cute

    Keep lying to yourself, in fact i doubt you have even tried bow grinding as i did.
    Now GTFO pl0x. 2 much spam.
  • rikako
    rikako Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    in fact you are only 86, and i can't see how it's flame o.O, what does archer have to do with that? wtf zero sense.

    in fact i doubt you have done anything beside oracling.
  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    rikako wrote: »
    in fact you are only 86, and i can't see how it's flame o.O, what does archer have to do with that? wtf zero sense.

    in fact i doubt you have done anything beside oracling.

    fail troll much? b:chuckle
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »
    1. If you are an archer high level enough to use the close range archer skills and still decide to use fist to mow down mobs, you fail.

    2. Assassin cant use skills while a bow is equipped (in fact you can't even use skills unless you have daggers on) and your range is nothig compared to an archer's. Also you have throw dagger which is 30 meters, in case you want to pull anything.

    3. That other person said clearly "using a bow as opening" instead of opening from stealth, using shadow teles, or at least using a skill to prevent ppl from running freely.

    1. not really but senseless because with bow+melee aoe skill i deal more dmg than with fist agaist a mob, agaist a boss is kinda "lets die" syndrome XD

    2. i used bow too but yes its nice only if ahev a tank for that, its kinda "nice" but more effective than dagger? maybe no but if u dont got lagg maybe its more dmg with bow that ~3 hit than 1 dagger trown skill, but its kinda annoying the switching after 1every mob :/

    3. maybe he want reduce the mana useage :)

    (the bow not eficient with sin (vs archer) becase: -20m, no slowdown or stun skill for keeping in distance, half damage if mob reached u so agiast fast mobs or ranged is sucks, why? most of ranged mob is magic,they never miss but most of magic mob do phisical attack in close range and they got chance for miss+u can use ur skills,i think that hp buff dont work only with malee weapon this is why u can buff only the barb and bm and not the atcher 2)
  • rikako
    rikako Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Of course you dont use bow all the time, if i have spark or IH ready i rather use bow + spark instead of running / porting / taking hits / getting burned / poisoned / w/e. Also being lazy to weap switch at practical times is just taking good use of conditions away. b:victory
  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    spark bow auto attack = ~1 mob.

    spark + auto attack a target, then tele to another and keep auto attack = at least 1 mob + w/e time left you had on spark on the second one.
    Depending on your PC and connection you should be killing at least 2 mobs per spark.

    If you are too nub, or have lag issues, hell you could even get close to a mob >throw dagger to a different mob >spark> kill the closest mob while the other comes at you.

    Bow for grinding = fail.

    Only time to use bow is when you don't want to pull agroo during bosses.
  • Ballistixz - Heavens Tear
    Ballistixz - Heavens Tear Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    just something i want ppl to know. using a bow as a sin is not a good idea... with my lvl 43 mold daggers i do nearly 1k normal hits on mobs un sparked. with a bow i hit less then half that ammount with a significantly slower atk rate. the mob WILL reach me and it WILL get a few hits off by the time i switch to daggers once it does reaches me. its just more efficient and faster to just use daggers. also at the most i get hit once or twice. nothing that second wind cant fix easily. not to mention blood paint and life powders.

    and yes killer is right. when i use spark im killing mobs insanely fast with just normal atking with daggers. and my crit rate is 10% atm so im also critting alot as well. using a bow just will not work and ppl that are still using bows and u a re higher then 4x well i just have nothing to say to u about that lol. all i can say is w/e floats ur boat.

    but just know that using a bow as a sin really does fail epically hard. actually it is beyond fail.
  • SoulSlash - Dreamweaver
    SoulSlash - Dreamweaver Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »
    Only time to use bow is when you don't want to pull agroo during bosses.

    that not entirely true, bow is very useful when doing bh39 for staying out of range of the exploding guys, and it also allows u to kill the tower in bh29 and therefore allowing you to completely solo up to qingzi.

    so bows have their uses.
  • Ussichu - Sanctuary
    Ussichu - Sanctuary Posts: 429 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »
    1. If you are an archer high level enough to use the close range archer skills and still decide to use fist to mow down mobs, you fail.

    1. skills = mana, fists = no mana
    2. Mana = need mana pots
    3. I'm cheap b:avoid



    Now on topic with the subject at hand. At most i AoE 2 mobs using subsea strike > earthen rift > kill one mob > kill the next
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  • Killermate - Harshlands
    Killermate - Harshlands Posts: 437 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7jLMTXfHk

    Just so you have an idea WTF i was talking about and keep complaining about my oracle skills which i haven't use much since LvL76.

    All self-buffed.
  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »

    And LOL @ making TT80 bow as opening to kill ppl. haha made my day.

    Nothing wrong with that after Demon spark. I kill 8X on this BM with Unicorn.
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  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Killermate - Harshlands wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc7jLMTXfHk

    Just so you have an idea WTF i was talking about and keep complaining about my oracle skills which i haven't use much since LvL76.

    All self-buffed.

    auw, its kinda charm r-ape, i tryed too with archer long time ago but its costly XD anyway nice to see that many crit with 1 aoe :)
  • Super_Trout - Dreamweaver
    Super_Trout - Dreamweaver Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Shadowvzs - Lost City wrote: »
    auw, its kinda charm r-ape, i tryed too with archer long time ago but its costly XD anyway nice to see that many crit with 1 aoe :)

    What are you talking about, charm raep? Their HP charm ticked ONCE. And yeah, the MP charm was ticking quite a bit, but it would tick MUCH more if you were using skills to kill that many mobs one at a time...
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