Why can't Archers Use Daggers?

ArcDivine - Sanctuary
ArcDivine - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Archer
i'm sorry if this is a stupid post, but seriously why can't we use daggers, i see heaps of sins walking round with bows and xbows, so whats the story?
And whats your opinion?
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  • Magikrap - Lost City
    Magikrap - Lost City Posts: 289 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    you should post this question in the perfect world international forums

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  • ArcDivine - Sanctuary
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    will do
    ty for you input
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i'm sorry if this is a stupid post, but seriously why can't we use daggers, i see heaps of sins walking round with bows and xbows, so whats the story?
    And whats your opinion?


    sins can't use crossbows, only bows are for all classes

    besides what are you gonna use daggers for anyway? xD
  • ArcDivine - Sanctuary
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Rotflesh, so i deal damage, but not so much i take agrob:pleased
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Rotflesh, so i deal damage, but not so much i take agrob:pleased

    use a low level bow x.x
  • ArcDivine - Sanctuary
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    thats really bad damage dude
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary wrote: »
    thats really bad damage dude

    what and daggers would give you better damage -_-
  • ArcDivine - Sanctuary
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    yeah, daggers don't hit such high amounts as crit arrows so it makes sense, and also i wanna run around and kill stuff with daggers for fun so stfu
  • Dreaded_Fate - Lost City
    Dreaded_Fate - Lost City Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    No real reason for you to want one..arrows costs 2 each. either get a worse bow to not take aggro or deal with it. You can use fists if you are really determined to get another weapon.
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  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary wrote: »
    yeah, daggers don't hit such high amounts as crit arrows so it makes sense, and also i wanna run around and kill stuff with daggers for fun so stfu

    lol you'll crit the same with daggers as you would with bows, there would only be a 1% difference if you were shooting elite arrows with the 1% crit boast, but they aren't worth using on mobs/bosses

    know what else makes sense? you keep pulling agro with your bow, so you get a slightly lower leveled bow so you still do damage but not too much damage that you would draw aggro


    then make an assassin if you want to kill stuff with daggers for fun
  • ArcDivine - Sanctuary
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    i give up my bad
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary wrote: »
    yeah, daggers don't hit such high amounts as crit arrows so it makes sense, and also i wanna run around and kill stuff with daggers for fun so stfu

    Nope. You're wrong.

    Deal with it.
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  • Endrnz - Dreamweaver
    Endrnz - Dreamweaver Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Personally, I think that archers should be able to use daggers...but it would be kind of unfair because we do already PAWN with bows...but would be nice.

    And yeah I think it's pretty unfair that all classes can use bows...wtf is that...especially the assasin class...but I guess things won't change.
  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Well there was a already a huge thread on it in the general section with enough arguments, counter-arguments and what not.

    In the end, apparently the only weapons that tideborns have are class specific while the 6 primary classes have multiple weapon choices each and 1/some of which can be used to any of the other classes provided they meet the stat requirment for it.

    Although I wouldnt mind archers using daggers for fun (much to the dismay of assassins), its not gonna happen really. However it would be real fun if its implemented in the future.
  • Avalon - Raging Tide
    Avalon - Raging Tide Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If you would so kindly, allow me to interject with an interjection into your conversation which requires, an interjecting. For if I am to correctly understand and understand correctly the current situation, then it seems, that you OP do not understand the concept of an archer.

    Hang on, lemme pull up the old Webster dictionary... Ah, here we go. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/archer

    1 : a person who uses a bow and arrow

    Hmmmm... now, last I checked, daggers were neither bow, nor arrow, thus, by definition, an Archer would not use them. If the class was called ranger or something, then yes, daggers would make sense. However, they make no sense on an archer.

    Also, they can't use them because the developers said so. That's just the way it is, if you want a melee weapon, get some fists or claws or something.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    i lol'd. so ignorant.
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    @Avalon
    And last i checked, a slingshot isnt a bow and a shot isnt an arrow b:laugh

    Hence your interjection by providing the real life definition of an archer is meaningless.

    Below is the definition for dagger
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dagger

    Now tell me why an archer cant use a knife? Pretty sure they use em to eat, cut fruits, wood, make the arrow shafts, etc. <.<

    I accept the Devs made it like this which might never change but ideally in all games, archers very well can use daggers. Its just that we wont be doing much with it.
  • TurismoX - Lost City
    TurismoX - Lost City Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Who gives a ****?
  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Nobody, but love the arguments
  • Homaru - Harshlands
    Homaru - Harshlands Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I'd love to be able to use daggers but I think an archer with daggers would be a bit overpowered in pvp, because we would lose the damage reduction at close range. Daggers hit about the same DPS as bows and it's bascially the equivalent of taking off the dead zone on archers.
    b:bye
  • ArcDivine - Sanctuary
    ArcDivine - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    wow, this post is old, i posted this ages ago, on this forum and the General, the discussion was put to sleep, the Dev's don't wanna deal with an old class that is all ready super awsomeb:laugh
  • Channman - Lost City
    Channman - Lost City Posts: 491 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Incarnata - Harshlands wrote: »
    Then again, you lose a lot of skills this way -- you lose your metal skills, you lose stun, you lose knockback arrow, you lose frost arrow, you lose aim low, etc. etc.)

    you shouldnt use knockback arrow when your pvping
  • Ysionris - Sanctuary
    Ysionris - Sanctuary Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Incarnata - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok... and I imagine venos should not use pets when I am pvping?

    Knockback in PvP is useless because Knockback doesn't work unless on pets, if that's what you were getting at.

    Also, Archers should not use daggers because Archers are not Assassins.

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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Homaru - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'd love to be able to use daggers but I think an archer with daggers would be a bit overpowered in pvp, because we would lose the damage reduction at close range. Daggers hit about the same DPS as bows and it's bascially the equivalent of taking off the dead zone on archers.

    Yeah... no.

    What are you gonna do with the daggers? Run up into a heavy armored character's melee range as a LA user with no skills or masteries so they can laugh at your pathetic 50s before smashing your face into the ground? Chase after another archer who's simply laughing at you while they kite you around and get their jollies from sniping you? Run into a caster's range while they sling spells at you, kite you around, and then get bored and nuke you for being so stupid?

    In PvP, daggers on an archer is far less viable than a bow on an assassin.... and it's just downright stupid to try and dagger someone to death as a serious tactic.

    In PvE, however, it would be a nice way to nullify that pesky damage penalty for melee only monsters at lower levels or general grinding. Especially if you have to fight/tank some sort of melee boss (Rankar in FB51, for example) and would prefer not to have your damage cut in half so that the rest of the squad wouldn't need to hold back for X amount of time before they can contribute.







    On a relevant side note, while I am for archers being able to use daggers (or just making it so tideborn can't use any non-tideborn weapons), I've already accepted the fact that, because the devs said so, it's not going to happen.
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Archer only weapons: 2
    Assassin only weapons: 1
    Psychic only weapons:1

    Any other class with their own class specific weapons: 0

    So which should be done away with to make things closer to fair; the slingshot or the crossbow?
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  • Kephras - Heavens Tear
    Kephras - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    **** archers, I want daggers. My dex is high enough. b:shocked
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Archer only weapons: 2
    Assassin only weapons: 1
    Psychic only weapons:1

    Any other class with their own class specific weapons: 0

    So which should be done away with to make things closer to fair; the slingshot or the crossbow?

    other classes can have slingshots and xbows for all i care...slingshot might actually be the best choice to make all-class because normal attacking with xbow is lame.
    Homaru - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'd love to be able to use daggers but I think an archer with daggers would be a bit overpowered in pvp, because we would lose the damage reduction at close range. Daggers hit about the same DPS as bows and it's bascially the equivalent of taking off the dead zone on archers.

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  • Veronica_ - Heavens Tear
    Veronica_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    First:

    Why the freaking hell woud an archer use a dagger ? *that's the first thing that came on my mind*

    Second:

    If you have aggro problems there is a more simple way than using a dagger b:surrender - when you have aggro problems take of your rings ( they lower the dmg depending on ring ) , use lowest grade arrows and if your in dungeon and still have aggro problems take off the bless.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    some people don't realize sparking with faster melee weapons is more DPS at a boss. b:bye

    aggro problems my ****. i am aggro problems
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  • Channman - Lost City
    Channman - Lost City Posts: 491 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Incarnata - Harshlands wrote: »
    Ok... and I imagine venos should not use pets when I am pvping?

    knockback arrow doesnt knockback players -_-

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