Helping?

You never ask for my help anymore Xylo b:cry... he is all growz uped!! b:pleased

I agree, except my faction does help each other, and the ones who are helping me, r usually 30+ levels higher.

From my experience, if your faction isnt gonna help out with stuff like TT runs, BHs, Bosses, RBs, you might wanna find another faction. HOWEVER, that doesnt mean just join a faction for 5 mins, get what you need, and dump em. Nothing in all the world infuriates high lvls more than someone joining a guild for a couple bosses, then splitting. Me, if i have the time, i help with random BHs and quests. Just today, there was a guy in West Arch asking for help with a BH29. I told him id help, and after accepting his invite, he was like "You do know this is a BH right? Not an FB?" I told him that i knew that, and i like helping. If im flying over The Mines outside West Arch, and see someone sitting near Yansheng, ill ask if they need him. Same for Chin, Khewy, and a lot of other low lvl bosses. I have a group of friends ranging from the low 30s to 9Xs. If the low lvls need help, they ask me. If i need help, i ask for it. Hell, my faction has started taking me into Eden/Abadon if they cant find someone to round out their BH squads. I do my best to pull my own weight in there, and in general, do what i can to help ppl out, and gettin apo pages without havin to buy em doesnt hurt either. We have 2-3 ppl a day ask for TT runs, and the runs get done.

Gasoline - Lost City wrote: »

I think the problem with "not getting help" is more class specific than people just being lazy ands selfish.

If you're a barb, cleric or veno with herc you will pretty much always get party in guild for HH when you need 90 stuff - unless you're greedy and think you can have all the mats. Assuming guild should do 2-3 for you only, so you can get all arms, antennas and dusk during the run will obv lead to spamming guild chatt and being ignored.

Mostly tho in my experience its classes not needed for HH at all; wizards and BMs that keeps trying for ages to get a party.

Dont think i ever meet a barb that could not get his 90 set, because no one in guild wanted to invite him. Or a veno with herc that didn't have gear for his lvl. Classes that are useful and needed in HH will always get their stuff done, doesn't matter if they never helped a single person in guild.

So its not fully true that you get the help you deserve. Give help = get help, doesn't work for lets say a wizard. He cant even give help in HH, b/c the party don't even want him there to help <.<

One big thing she didnt mention in this, and i do agree that this is the case a lot of the time, is that DDers get last pick of any mats that do drop. So, unless the DDer needs a wide variety of mats, chances are theyll not get what theyre after. Ive had just as many squads reserve that stuff as tell the person that it all goes into the pot. I just recently got my TT80 axes, and have full TT80 armor. I went on a number of runs, but also bought a lot of the mats for this stuff.

One last big thing: dont whine about not getting help. It just pisses ppl off when you do. The high lvls arent your baby sitters. They arent there to run your BHs/FBs/TTs or whatever as soon as you ask for it. They have their own stuff to do. I never whined about not getting help. If a run couldnt happen, hey, no big deal, we would get to it later. As for BHs, my guild has a large number of ppl in the 7X+ range. I mean, we have at least 50 some-odd ppl between 70 and 90. So its almost never a problem for me to find a BH squad. As for FBs, we try to get a group together, some times we can get it right when they ask, other times, it might take a day or 2 to get it done. As for RBs, Ive done like, 2 RB Gammas. The rest of my exp ive gotten thru CS/BH/WQ. So, what im sayin boils down to this: if the high lvls in your guild NEVER help, try finding a different fac. But, if theyre constantly bein asked for the same stuff over and over and over again, give em break. Just whinin about how they wont help you isnt gonna make them any more likely to help out in the future. Trust me on that. And if you dont like my position on this, oh well. Grow up, find a squad on your own, and get your s**t done. Nuff said.

With a large guild, any helpful person is guaranteed to get grief. The best thing is to set limits right away, and stick to them. You'll still be harrassed by the kiddies, but nothing will stop that.

My thing was if people needed culti bosses, all they had to do was ask and I was there to help. I did ask that they wait a few hours so that more who would need it would be online at the same time (back in first months of server). You end up with the excuses of why they need it right then, do the bosses, head back to grinding. 10 mins later, another guy pops on demanding the same thing. I think I did culti 49 bosses over 20 times in just 2 weeks, 3 times in 4 hours when all of them were still on. And each time, the person who was helped previous did not volunteer to DD or assist in any way. But would expect prompt responses each time they wanted help. Or would somehow believe having 5 people help them for an FB meant they only had to help someone else once. By my count, they have 4 more times to help to even out the help they took. Another reason the higher levels get over-burdened.

Because deep down, many of the lower levels DO believe the high levels should sacrifice their play for them. They don't want to put the effort into talking to other people, or doing things for themself. Most of my FBs were done with no one from my guild, since they were too low level. Had to search around for a while to hunt some people down, but had made friends with alot of Nefarious people and usually went with them. It was alot more enjoyable being able to joke around while killing eachother at the special events, and made the entire game more entertaining. Why avoid that?

The thing is, why are the other similarly leveled people not helping eachother out on these runs? There are guides all over, and most strong guilds have their own websites with guides, strategies, and boss information listed on them. But again, most people are too lazy to read when they can complain instead. There is no reason similarly leveled people can't run the TT instance, unless they really don't know what they're doing. Which would be the perfect reason a high level SHOULDN'T be helping them. That would be the perfect time for them to properly learn their class, and actually be able to do something with the gear they get; instead of just a body occupying good gear.

If the people who are asking for help are all helpful as well, how come they can't find eachother?

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Maybe it's just on sanctuary but is it just me or is helping each other becoming something very rare in factions lately? I see more and more players from large factions in barely refined equips far below their level....and anytime I ask them about this the response is usually that "they can't afford better and their faction never takes them on TT runs".

Now, maybe I'm wrong on this but isn't a faction supposed to be like a team? I see these large factions week after week hurling themselves at the main landowners meaninglessly and losing, and when you think of the mass of 8x-9x in 7x equips trying to hold off an army of 9x-10x cash shoppers it's little wonder why. Shouldn't a faction make it a goal to have their members properly equipped before sending them into a TW? I mean, as long as they're willing to work for it and help others too in whatever way they can. As well as making the faction stronger, it'll make players more loyal, and form a stronger bond between members.

Also, the best leveling methods are instances like frost/rebirth/whatever, but from experience in a number of factions and discussing with a lot of players, it seems these tend to be run only among a small select group with exp/gear/high level in a faction, with the rest being expected to sort out their own way. And again, if you want to TW sending in 7x-9x against pure 9-10x is just silly. A portion of your faction grows and the rest just linger.

Before anyone claims I'm just QQ'ing that no one does everything for you, I'm probably one of the few ppl who would be more than happy to run TT's and instances and helping all day purely for someone else's benefit. I'm just curious what happened to the teamwork in my opinion working together with others is part of the fun in the game

My faction has an alt char designated as a TT bank. We do runs every night and collect mats for our members. We keep an updated post on our website with a list of what the bank holds and each member can freely request mats for their gears. And our faction isnt all that big at all.

ChaoticTears - Harshlands wrote: »

To help stop some of the problems the OP talks about we have recently set up a Faction bank.
Any Faction TT runs in which mats are left over after people have taken what they need go into the bank.
The mats are then given to players as and when is needed

Ie: A Player got lvl 70 today, so we raided the bank to make her a TT70 weapon.

We have the same thing: a faction bank...actually two faction banks (one for TT mats/gear and the other for other gear/mats/wines and such.)

Funny thing is, our faction members would much rather farm their mats/gear than utilize the bank. We thought it would be a mass run on stuff, but it's been the opposite.

to OP;

I think it really depends on the faction itself, not that the helpful pple are really disappearing. Like how the similar pple group together, so does the helpful pple too. If you join a well known 'strong'-ish faction with alot of pple and high lvls, you can be sure its just going to be a survival of the fittest in that faction. If your looking for TW, you will ultimately end up with those type of factions.

If your aiming for help and growing together, aim for the still growing factions. Our own faction took a full 11 months to rebuild, and because our goal was to rebuild and help each other grow, we attracted those type of pple, and the ones who were willing to endure those long months. These helping pple who were low&mid lvls are now in their lv90s

And like Skimi said above, patience also works too >.> Those who join and demand everyone help them with bosses and TT the nextday.....something wrong with them. Like RL friends, get to know them first before you ask personal 'wants'.

Its been a full year since PWI has come out. And like how majority of power/fame hungry pple clump together in strong factions, so does the helpful pple. You just need to find which faction they are clumped together in.

Wrong there Dark, Not all TW factions are like what you are claiming they are. We have 1 Full account dedicated to our TW faction 1 character is 60 - 80 mats for lower levels and 1 for 90+ mats, then we also have herb bank, mats bank, armor, weapons , mold bank, and apoc bank, and even 1 char I had to use from my own personal account for the excess mats that we get. Which is all freely given to any member that asks, we set it up as our officers in the faction are required to do 3 runs a week for faction mats, However they all do several more runs than that.

As far as helping goes, one thing its not about nor will happen is its not about holding there hands, common quests are something thats best off on there own level range though dont mind the occasional helping out on them. The more difficult stuff is a different situation. For the most part our faction members know that if they dont get an answer in faction chat its usually best to start pming member classes they may need help with as not everyone is always glued to faction chat.

Overall it just sounds like the people you have talked to or saw just happened to be in the wrong factions for the wrong reasons.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

And that's what puzzles me. Our faction, like a large number of small factions has members who eventually become friendly, helpful, skilled 90+ with full highly refined TT sets and equips, while dedicated TW factions have a large number of very crudely equipped, ignored, 7x and 8x who have been there months. I guess TW factions just tend to attact power-seeker types more than other family-based fun-factions. But someone really needs to teach them that a team is always stronger than independent units. (Usually these are the types who try to go rambo on their first TW and leroy at the enemies base)

Sadly those friendly, skilled 90+ with nice gear tends to leave the small helpful faction after a while and join a big TW-faction. Cuz they don't wanna spend their gaming time farming gear for some 8X, they wanna pvp and do stuff like rebirth,lunar, past culti, hh99 or w/e with other high lvls.

Maybe its not like that in your faction, but in most other small and midsize guilds - thats pretty much always the case. A huge majority of well geared 9X will always leave b/c its frustrating helping lowbies when you're a competitive gamer and wants to improve your own char instead.

So in a big TW-faction you don't really need to have a system to farm gear for 9X since there is a never ending q-list of already geared out players that wants to join. And the few ignored 8X in the guild kinda have to sort out the farming themselves or join a small guild and have it done that way b:chuckle.

I NEVER help 8X with 90 gear, im so done with that lol. I help friends tho when i can, but only friends.

It actually pisses me of when some random 8X whisperers me and thinks i will donate 2-3 hours of my limited gaming time and help farm them gear just because we share guild tag. But i guess thats how it is in big factions b:surrender.

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Sadly those friendly, skilled 90+ with nice gear tends to leave the small helpful faction after a while and join a big TW-faction. Cuz they don't wanna spend their gaming time farming gear for some 8X, they wanna pvp and do stuff like rebirth,lunar, past culti, hh99 or w/e with other high lvls.

Maybe its not like that in your faction, but in most other small and midsize guilds - thats pretty much always the case. A huge majority of well geared 9X will always leave b/c its frustrating helping lowbies when you're a competitive gamer and wants to improve your own char instead.

i think its half lazyness. Alot of pple want things ready made instead of making it themselves. In the end those bigger guilds are quick to fall if drama starts or lands are lost, because the things that are keeping them in said faction can be easily replaced by just jumping to another power faction.

Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Even our non officers put the extra effort in. Yes we do have a few things here and there that could be better, but I'd say its about 90%-94% overall particapation faction-wide. Its just having the ability to mix different view points and playstyles and such a way that they actually go together.

I was the given the promotion to Janitor so now I get to pick up the empty cups on the floor instead of having to bring them coffee... at least they told me it was a promotion to a position where I would better fit the needs of the faction....

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I was the given the promotion to Janitor so now I get to pick up the empty cups on the floor instead of having to bring them coffee... at least they told me it was a promotion to a position where I would better fit the needs of the faction....

Ofcourse its a promotion. Atleast you'll be close to the bottom of the list to clean the nix and herc cages now. b:laughb:laugh

i pieced together my own gear with mats i farmed or with mats i bought with my own coin.

if what you mean by helping is: "we run TT and give this guy all the mats he needs". like say run 3-1 for his GBA, sorc hand, orbs, etc etc
lol...unless the player is a friend or a valuable member to the faction then **** that. usually most of the players that don't get "helped" don't even talk to people on faction chat or try to make friends.

frankly "no one helps me with my gear" is the dumbest excuse i've ever heard. you play the game, you help yourself with your gear.

i don't look at someone's gear and say "look at how bad this faction is because this player has suck gears." i say "look at how bad this player is because this player has suck gears."

same **** for fb70's 202020 (i hope you see a connection).

i found a squad of my own for 202020, with other people who needed 202020, and i got my 202020 done.

then i start getting people who say: "nobody helps me with 202020"

Everyone will not be on the same thought process. Enelysion is the first/only big faction I've been in, and I love it. People leave often claiming they don't get enough help or people only think of themselves. Like ElonaFiorna said, you can't help everyone all the time.