The best mage PVP build

Yea.. This thread is simply ridiculous. I only play Wiz. My lvl105 and my lvl104 wizards are Hybrid. It's simply the only way to go. (Also Chemistry.. lots and lots of chemistry) Pure deals a lot of damage.. but pfft..where's the fun in that? Yay I one shotted something else... boring. LA is great if you want to look cool in useless armor that cripples you. "Oh I should would love to cast this spell, but darn it all.. this heavy armor is making me not move my hands fast enough but look how cool I look..guys?..hey guys?" and now what I think about it.. probably straight naked is the way to go.. strike that..wait..what?

So my 2 cents.. go Hybrid.
And I would have posted this on one of my mains.. but um.. we all know that's simply not how us "smart" players show our superior mastery of this game in these forums.

Taoist_Xel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yea.. This thread is simply ridiculous. I only play Wiz. My lvl105 and my lvl104 wizards are Hybrid. It's simply the only way to go. (Also Chemistry.. lots and lots of chemistry) Pure deals a lot of damage.. but pfft..where's the fun in that? Yay I one shotted something else... boring. LA is great if you want to look cool in useless armor that cripples you. "Oh I should would love to cast this spell, but darn it all.. this heavy armor is making me not move my hands fast enough but look how cool I look..guys?..hey guys?" and now what I think about it.. probably straight naked is the way to go.. strike that..wait..what?

So my 2 cents.. go Hybrid.
And I would have posted this on one of my mains.. but um.. we all know that's simply not how us "smart" players show our superior mastery of this game in these forums.

If you had a lvl104 and 105 you would be ranked

with LA u do 3 mag instead of 4-5 a level so your dmg is over 25% lower

I'm going to respond to that by just laughing.

A few points to ponder:

1) I have a lvl 83 WB, and a lvl 53 MG; I play both, and while I may not know the higher aspects of a MG's 8x-9x PvP dynamics, I can draw my conclusions from PK and fighting many a lvl 8x-9x MG in LA and Arcane. In the end, I'll look at this argument both from the side of the MG, as well as the point of the WB on the receiving end of the various MG builds.

2) Either players like Llama, Elayne, Nabmonic, and the rest of the Arcane geared lvl 100 MG's in CQ are just mainstream (like the vast majority of the MG's who go around in arcane), utterly and completely stupid, totally off the mark, and have no clue what the hell they're doing... or the few MG's who go LA, profess the superiority of LA vs. Arcane know something obscure which we dont. Ladies and gentlemen, there IS a reason why higher level MG's go Arcane.

3) Yes, LA has it's advantages over Arcane... to an extent, and within a certain level range. My view is that, this is far more useful at lower levels, up until 60 or so. After that, I would propend to Arcane. Why lvl 60, or am I just pulling a number out of my ****, arbitrarily?

a. At level 60, you get your HH gear. While in terms of defence, an Arcane char hasn't the defence (phys) of LA, your damage output receives a MASSIVE increase. Let's not forget, the biggest factor in damage output is your weapon, compounded by your INT. All I have to do is switch to an HH weapon to receive another 1k to my damage attack. And I don't mean from a lvl 30 weapon, either.

b. In any class you play (and I play all 6, all of which are lvl 4x+), you can get by decently well questing on your own (FB's and bosses excluded) up until lvl 60 or so. After that, the squad context begins to become the predominant fashion in which you play. Your lack of defence is offset by the rest of the party's involvement in the missions / tasks. You will not be tanking, so your LA's increased phys def. will become irrelevant; your primary role of dishing out INSANE damage becomes the priority.

c. I want to touch up on a very good point made by Llama, of the reason why people play MG. You are a Damage Dealer. Period. Even in LA, your strong point will be your damage output. When you reach lvl 60, you'll be doing much more damage. It pays to realise that up until a point, the classes' differences are NOT that immensely different and relevant - each can quest, do damage, use pots, and so on. I know, a WB has more HP, and has no need to kite. But at the same time, he does far less damage, and grinding is a long-winded process. An EA can range, and usually rely on a crit to save the day (again), whereas a BM has to chase mobs down, to kill them. So in that sense, yes... there are differences. But think back on how you've played, up until a point. In an fb, an EP will be healing a hell of a lot more than he/she would be casting Plume Shot or Razor Feathers. You need to realise that at a certain level, you almost NEVER play alone. And only within the context of a team, do the big differences and main accountabilities really begin to surface. At that point, you really should be doing what you do best.

d. Sequitur to point c: Do LA WB's tank? No. And as a tank, when you have a PvP Dex build, you will not be nearly as usefull (if AT ALL) when a tank is needed for fb79, or what have you. Given the option of a pure Dex EA, and a LA MG, my option is to take the EA in the party. ALWAYS. He/she is there do damage, and that's what I need you to do.

e. LA sucks. Period. It's NOT the LA that makes EA's that formidable. It's their damage output, and crit rate. Yes, I know... when you get up close to an EA, they can be squishy... BUT... you have to hit them first. And why do we miss them so much? It's their high Evasion. Where did they get that high evasion from? From their Dex build. NOT the LA. As a MG, you won't ever be putting enough Dex into your build, to have such an evasion, or you'll be an epic failure unable to cast more than 2 Sandstorms before you're out of Mana.

f. Sequitur to point d: LA really DOES suck. The protection is mediocre, at best. The defences (both phys and mag.) are so highly compromised, that you end up being a "half and half". Yes, you can be killed less easily by a melee class (as a LA build), but by HOW MUCH? A negligible figure, at best... and this is coming from a lvl 83 WB that sometimes has to punish red named MG's... in both LA and Arcane. Conversely, it might take a MG or Cleric 1 hit more to take you out. But don't forget that MG's and Clerics (metal) can - and DO - dish out MASSIVE damage; it won't be your LA that makes a difference. Better to be a master of one, than a jack of all trades. You're a LA MG? Restat at lvl 60. Personally, I'd rather take out a mob / player in 3 hits WITHOUT getting hit, than in 5 hits... while taking a hit myself.

I find it amusing that people want to get into calculations. Ok, so maybe you may do 300 less damage as a LA MG. But it could be offset by a crit rate. Or you may blast out more attacks due to -channeling. Then one may start considering gear, accessories, and refinements... in addition to stats. Guys, stuff like that is so variable. You can spend all day trying to compute all the various possibilites, and still end up with 6 of one, and half a dozen of the other. Bottom line is: High STR = greater phys. damage / High INT = greater mag. damage. And as I said earlier, the differences in LA will not offset that to a significant degree, since LA is mediocre.

From a higher level WB's perspective, I have no more of a hard time killing a LA MG, than an Arcane MG. Well, maybe it might take a hit more. But an LA MG will have a harder time killing me, with my 11,5k HP, than a pure stat MG. Often times, though, it will boil down to tactics (much like TW), and how you play your class. Any SMART MG will know to kite a melee class, while sealing, gushing, and doing whatever it takes to keep it away from him/her. And oh, btw... when a MG uses Distance Shrink, figure you're going to be running back and forth while he/she nails you like a shooting gallery. thankfully for the MG, with a melee class's low mag. def, it's over quick... even quicker if the MG is a pure INT build. Against EA, that's a different story (for most everyone), so good luck with that...

fiddle wrote: »

LA (Light Armor) build is the best pvp build for a mage. Now i realize that there is a lot of resistance to this idea but anybody who objects is either ignorant, just plain stupid or a fail. let me explain why. I am not just typing things ive heard, only things iv'e experienced. And ive tested out every build on my mage. (except melee......fail) The only 2 builds that will get you anywhere are pure or LA. I was a pure mage from 3x-7x. You kill mobs fast but any archer, warrior, or barb thats comes by and wants to kill you will no doubt succeed. Even fighting physical mobs sucks if you get more than one on you at the same time. Clerics own you hard with their plume shot and venos will always present a challenge (guarentee dead if they have a pheonix) The only class that you do well against-if you can even call it that-is your own. PVP is hell for pure mages-and if me, an 8x mage cant persuade you of this look at the other high lvl mages that have posted forums telling so. The only good time i ever had as a pure mage in PVP was in mnass PVP where its easy to get away from ppl and assisst attack. But the second i was targeted i was dead. But......there is hope.

LA mage is a complete turnaround. Ive been LA for a decent time by now and let me tell you, i love pvp now. Ive fought archers, warriors, barbs that completely one shot me the entire time ive known them (all 30+ lvls) and i can kill them now. Clerics still hurt with their magic but i can kill them one on one if im not double teamed (will explain why is a second) As for mages-unless ive been unlucky enough to fight really bad mages-LA completely ownes pure mages (will also explain in a sec)

But, as a LA mage you have to put in the effort, time, and money to use the build well. A simple LA mage will fail horribly but if you put more effort into your gear to assisst your build you will do great. For instance-go higher crit% or minus channeling or a mix of both. atm i have -21% channeling and 7% crit. Its not bad i get shots off a lot faster and because i get more shots off i crit more. This also helps LA mage have great DPS (damage per second). my DPS is better now than it was when i was a pure mage because of my crit and faster channeling. And in pvp not only do i take damg more but i deal a lot more dmg overall. Not to mention a LA mage with good crit, minus channel or both AND undine strike deals great dmg.....which is what i have. Ive one shot and had long battles with every calss and won so far and all were 8x+. Now as i was saying-clerics.

LA mage vs. a cleric is a tough fight on our part. we dont really need to worry about plume shot anymore but their magic does some good dmg to us. BUT-we still have the advantage IF you have good minus channel-crit and or undine strike. thing is we have the hp to take it. all my gear is 4 socket w beautifull hp shards and +3 or higher and my hp makes up for my loss in mag resist. Yes they hit me harder but i can take more shots now while they cant. At this point blade tempest pretty much one hits any clerics ive done on and in one on one fight ive killed them all and i didnt have to pot (all were 8x+) As for mages same deal. If i dont crit one shot (which has happened a lot) i can one shot w/ blade tempest. yes they hit me harder than b4 but my hp makes up for it and i can take more hits from them.

So there it is. a LA mage with good +and socketed/sharded gear plus undine and great minus channel/crit ownes. Its a lot of work but mage itsself is a lot of work. If you dont want to put out the effort go join sanc or other carebear server or get rdy to get beat in a majority of your pvp fights or duels. I wrote this 20 minutes b4 class so im sure there are a lot of spelling/grammer mistakes......get over it. RQ FTW.

You do realize everything you said, a pure build can obviously never do.

Robes can't refine.
Robes can't get -chan gear.
For some reason we can't use our undine...
No way in hell we can put shards in our gear.
And there's no way that the robe's damage is higher than a LA's, to the point to where a small amount of 7% compensates for a lack of DPS, for a DPS class. No way bro.

funny story, this morning i 3 shotted a 7x LA wizard. his SS did 600 on me LOL epic phail.

Its me mizu, i Pk, and i wear robes. Its not hard just gotta take pride in your armor. The only time i lose is > A: when im talking to someone, B: when the person is lvl 70+ (unless its a LA wiz pffft what a pushover)

But there is only one LA wizard that i seen that does decent damage. He has cool looking armor too. Think he is 8x now or something like that.

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

funny story, this morning i 3 shotted a 7x LA wizard. his SS did 600 on me LOL epic phail.

Its me mizu, i Pk, and i wear robes. Its not hard just gotta take pride in your armor. The only time i lose is > A: when im talking to someone, B: when the person is lvl 70+ (unless its a LA wiz pffft what a pushover)

But there is only one LA wizard that i seen that does decent damage. He has cool looking armor too. Think he is 8x now or something like that.

if BMs/Barbs/Archers/Phoenixes/Clerics don't wreck your crappy 6x arcane wizard, it's just proof that heaven's tear fails.

Tyger_Myst - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:boredb:infuriated this is madness

b:angry
necro necro necro necro
.....
don't necro dead threads

also lol at fiddle such a dumb ****.
xD

fiddle wrote: »

This also helps LA mage have great DPS (damage per second). my DPS is better now than it was when i was a pure mage because of my crit and faster channeling.

last me checked.....Dex (in reference to LA) doesn't give faster channeling lol...
he probably went light armor demon, was happy for about 2 days, then realized what a horrible mistake he made, and ragequit.
xD

ROFLMAOMFG - Lost City wrote: »

^This. Pay attention. This man won PW, incase you forgot.

Besides that, I'm pure build. Pure build being 1str and 9mag per two levels. With this build, squishiness is almost nonfactor; I.E. I kill **** before it hits me. Period. If something hits me, it's because of 1 of three things (this applies to both pve and pvp)

1. I f*cked it up.
2. I f*cked it up, and my target was a higher level.
3. I was afk.

So, that being said, there is no point to LA. Wizzies are supposed to kill **** before it gets to them. If you're LA you can't do that. And LA also doesn't provide enough pdef to cover the low hp incase you do get hit. So just...no. You're wrong. Thats that.b:bye

/Thread.

I LOL'ed ....

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

yesh....
he has gotten so powerful that his damage be directly proportional to gold prices.
b:shocked
his power level...
It's.....Over......Nine....THOUSAND~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!Eleventy!1!!!1!!!1!
b:angry

But who knows when his brain could be infested with hamsters b:shocked