Dissecting Nefarious Part 1: Officers

tontonvaldez · November 2009

So much has happened in this server since it's beginning. Legendary, I believe was the first faction created. Followed by Nefarious. Other guilds followed. Yet over time, many of the early guilds collapsed and disbanded. Some are now only shells of their former glory. Others remain strong but remain hidden and shy away from Territory Wars. Guilds like Shockwave and Outlaw collapsed but are rebuilding from almost the ground up. Legendary grew strong along with Nefarious but eventually they too began collapsed quite suddenly though they are quickly regaining some power. Yet among these guilds, Nefarious continues to stand strong, having been only on the brink of collapse several times in it's history and yet continued to stand strong.

Though I have never been in a TW faction, I have been in several PVE factions that collapsed, some even before they lasted a week,
I'm hoping this thread will be a useful analysis of factors that maintain a faction and maybe something we can learn from them to enable me and others to build strong, lasting factions PVP or PVE

Several elements are needed for a strong faction. Some of these are:
1. Leadership
2. Membership sense of belonging
3. Loyalty
4. Money and land

For this part I wish to examine the leadership of Nefarioius
To most of us not in TW guilds, the officers of Nefarious are like ghosts for the most part. Some names I am familiar with, but most I do not even recognize - including the leader and director before I started to seek out that information. Although now Nefarious is a rich guild raking in free coins from lands they have earned that play a large part in recruiting and maintaining members, I also believe officers of any faction have a large impact on the survivability of the guild.

Below is a list of officers and former officers I have managed to identify in my investigation from scouring their public forums and asking members. If I have missed any others or made a mistake, please let me know.

CURRENT OFFICERS AND HONORARY OFFICERS

YngWiE - Leader (?Ghost?)
Xaratul - Director (?Ghost?)
BeastLeO - Marshall
asWhales - Marshall
Templar - Marshall (one of the top barbs, super geared)
Makeda - Marshall (seen her in Steel before)
Attama
Falls - ex Leader (seen her before)
Harima Kenji (seen him before)
MorgulLord
PooRitan (seen him before)
Sinanju (one of the first, one of the best clerics)
venomeow
Sayenne (seen her around, helped me with fb)
Whiner
Xoria
Dorm
Heavenfire
Neck

FORMER OFFICERS
(very little info on known former officers. Maybe coz most of their officers are ghosts )

SasakiSayuri-ex Leader (I've seen her before)
Devalis -ex Leader (his title on their forums is: "RageQuit & GuildBank Thief" b:shocked )
BigPunisher -ex Marshall (pk's, one of the top barbs, super geared)
AshWorth (pk's, one of the first)
sinangel (i heard he is arrogant and annoying)
Elend

What qualities do these officers possess that make them unique as officers and do they impact the sturdiness of the bastion of Nefarious? What do we know about them? How do they conduct themselves?

**UPDATES**

Removed Windsun b:surrender
Added Elend b:laugh
Added "Money and land" b:thanks

_makina_ - Sanctuary · November 2009

LOL Windsun is Eminence's Director not a Nef officer.

Elend - Sanctuary · November 2009

Grats Maky

tontonvaldez wrote: »

Devalis -ex Leader (his title on their forums is: "RageQuit & GuildBank Thief" b:shocked )

I still think Nefarious Shame is a better title!

tontonvaldez wrote: »

sinangel (i heard he is arrogant and annoying)

b:chuckle

Ceshiari - Sanctuary · November 2009

Most of those people you listed are respectable people for the most part, who stand to represent the mature and xtreme gamer side of Nefarious. Also, the geek factor is off the scale with those folks. There is a reason why that faction is called Nerdfarious, and those people are the prime examples

No harm meant, its just an observation. These people really dont seem to have a life outside of PWI.

Good folks, most of them tho. I respect them because they tolerate the rest of the morons in the faction. The officers know how to play their classes well (most of them at least) and they know the game. Sad part is, I think Nef knows the game better than the Devs.

Curious tho, what classifies as 'the best'?

One major flaw I notice with Nef tho, is inconsistent Leadership. I cant count how many times leadership has been passed, its like nobody wants the job for too long.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · November 2009

Several elements are needed for a strong faction. Some of these are:
1. Leadership
2. Membership sense of belonging
3. Loyalty.

This applies to any faction and server but also:
4. Money & Land
this one cancels out #2-3 by itself, rare times even #1

tontonvaldez wrote: »

sinangel (i heard he is arrogant and annoying)

b:chuckle ROFL

What qualities do these officers possess that make them unique as officers and do they impact the sturdiness of the bastion of Nefarious? What do we know about them? How do they conduct themselves?

As for the question, there is one factor that hinders the real tributes that the officers may or may not give, and i think that is the #4 i stated, land and money. To answer what really strengthened nef, we would need to look back on the days when the map was more or less multi color. Luck always plays a role but regardless, something shone brighter for nef back then, which gave them the momentum?

TheDan - Sanctuary · November 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

This applies to any faction and server but also:
4. Money & Land
this one cancels out #2-3 by itself, rare times even #1

b:chuckle ROFL

As for the question, there is one factor that hinders the real tributes that the officers may or may not give, and i think that is the #4 i stated, land and money. To answer what really strengthened nef, we would need to look back on the days when the map was more or less multi color. Luck always plays a role but regardless, something shone brighter for nef back then, which gave them the momentum?

A lot of factions don't have any initial momentum at all, rather other factions losing momentum while your own faction doesn't give up, remains constant and continuing to grow slowly. You'll catch up, and will make your faction stand out eventually.

Then after all your own hard work, people will recognize the effort the leadership/members put into it, and be proud of who they are, and join them. That's one possible way the momentum can kick in.

Venomeow - Sanctuary · November 2009

Nefarious Officers are not celebrities. I don't spend the hours I have publicizing my name and squad-whoring so people know I'm an officer.

But if you do see me on, I'm probably afking in Archo, interviewing prospective applicants and/or taking care of TW lists and other related tasks.

And if you feel like it, you can always chat me up about Nef or the weather or life or anything.

And btw, Harima, Morgul, Sinanju, and Falls are all ex-officers.

AshWorth - Sanctuary · November 2009

Just something to ponder upon.. May not be necessary true but just my personal opinions

R&R - Important to prevent your faction from creating too many enemies and build up strong image in the eye of ppl.

Leadership - Open minded, sincere, treat your member with heart, accept constructive opinion, and able to identify and assign the right ppl for the right job, always neutral and able to determine what is right and wrong based on faction rule

Recognition - Recognize those who made contribution to the faction. Recognition may not be always money or materials. It can be words, action, response, etc

Home - This is another important element for a strong faction. You want your member to feel like this is the only faction that he/she should be in because this is their home.

Relationship - maintain good and healthy relationship with all members. Help your factionmate if time is permitted. Remember this game is all about group effort. You can;t do much alone no matter how good you are..

Hope this helps. Good luck

HolyInferno - Sanctuary · November 2009

YngWiE - Leader (?Ghost?) - good guy. One of the only people that really gave the "you can come to me for whatever" feel among the officers. When I heard he was given the leadership, I was a bit ...reserved because of his easy going nature which seemed to conflict with the position of leader in the most aggresive TW guild.

Xaratul - Director (?Ghost?) - another good guy. Didn't get to know him to well in my time with nef but I would say he fits right where he is ^^

BeastLeO - Marshall - teadybear

asWhales - Marshall - dont know well. Provides logistical stuff for the faction is what i got from her/him. He/she is better with the "(?Ghost?)" tag. His/her wife/husband is the founder/leader of Eminence. (confusing huh? lol)

Templar - Marshall (one of the top barbs, super geared) - templar templar templar. He's had his friends, I've had mine. Very singular group type of personalty which would pretty much guarantee his continued stay in nefarious. This kitty isnt the one to leave his home for anything.

Makeda - Marshall (seen her in Steel before) - very in your face person. Personality totally conflicts with my own so I might be a bit biased on her eval. so I'll just shut it ^^

Attama - a veno. Had no idea she was a officer. Good for her.

Falls - ex Leader (seen her before) - I like him. He is pretty upfront most of the time with his intentions and actions so I give him credit for that. I think the game got the best of him back in the day, so he stepped down.

Harima Kenji (seen him before) - no comment.

MorgulLord - Super guy. Easy to talk to but I think he is real busy, unless I woulda expected him with the leader title over his head >.>

PooRitan (seen him before) - name rings a bell but my goldfish memory curses me yet again.

Sinanju (one of the first, one of the best clerics) - He was one of the first neffies and one of the first officers (apparently they ninja promoted him). Left and then went back with yours truly for some fun ^^.

venomeow - mmm, nice person. Officer material? questionable, but i have been out of nef for a long time, so things mightve changed.

Sayenne (seen her around, helped me with fb) - b:dirty . One of the most passive aggressive people I've ever met in this game. Watch out for her cause she'll rip your heart out, and quietly too.

Whiner - was a ghost even when I was in Nef..

Xoria - quit

Dorm - quit a loooooong time ago. Owns the server that hosts the nef forums.

Heavenfire - class clown persona. Nice guy tho ^^

Neck - quit a loooooong time ago

Windsun - read above posts.

There is my dissection >.>

Xoria - Sanctuary · November 2009

Venomeow said it all really. We're usually too busy doing our jobs. Being an officer in Nef, you really have to work your butts off to make sure the faction is running. Remember, we all have real life and family as well. Xaratul is nowhere near a ghost, nor Yng. Xara's been trying to get me to join Nef since level 25. LOL Long haul recruitment. b:chuckle

That is one of the reasons Nef stands strong. There are other who have NEVER donated and have "super" gear. It just takes time. It's a group effort; not solely just one person. That's what makes a faction strong.

*waits for the hating now and giggles* Also, with that said, much patience and the ability to tolerate haters goes a very long way b:laugh

Happy gaming~ b:victory

Xoria - Sanctuary · November 2009

HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »

Xoria - quit

LOL, I'm here for the long haul, baby! I don't abandon my factions. *stands by "Oz" as well as Nefarious*

FYI: "Oz" is non PvP faction created by friends; although some have come to Nef and some to Regi, there's not a thing in this world that I wouldn't do to come and help my original family.

Makeda - Sanctuary · November 2009

Neffies and their officers are cuddly fluffy bunnies ( hiding their claws in their chunky paws) b:cute

A special b:kiss to HolyInferno, me love you long time too

Elend: me b:cry without you, come back to mama b:chuckle habba habba

Venomeow - Sanctuary · November 2009

Makeda - Sanctuary wrote: »

Neffies and their officers are cuddly fluffy bunnies ( hiding their claws in their chunky paws) b:cute

For those who don't know what Nef officers look like, we generally take the form of one of these:

HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »

venomeow - mmm, nice person. Officer material? questionable, but i have been out of nef for a long time, so things mightve changed.

I'm not a nice person. b:angry I'm also definitely not officer material, which is why they elected me o_o?

TheDan - Sanctuary · November 2009

Makeda - Sanctuary wrote: »

Neffies and their officers are cuddly fluffy bunnies ( hiding their claws in their chunky paws) b:cute

Aren't bunnies squishy, and highly flammable?

Let the fire burn, b:sin

Just Kidding; I'm not that evil...

or am I? b:dirty

Venomeow - Sanctuary · November 2009

We do indeed set the place on fire. Wonder why the map is a lot red?

Proof: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5090/naughtynefs.jpg

TheDan - Sanctuary · November 2009

Venomeow - Sanctuary wrote: »

For those who don't know what Nef officers look like, we generally take the form of one of these:

If you thought Axe Throwing Archers were scary...

This is what Nef officers generally look like when no one is looking.

Beware of the Axe Throwing Bunnies ! ! ! b:avoid b:shocked

Bobbyjoe - Sanctuary · November 2009

MeanGreen was a Marshal before he quit. He was a cool barb. Helped me with a quest cause I just couldnt kill those damn mobsb:cry

MiStAiSa - Sanctuary · November 2009

Xoria - Sanctuary wrote: »

LOL, I'm here for the long haul, baby! I don't abandon my factions. *stands by "Oz" as well as Nefarious*

FYI: "Oz" is non PvP faction created by friends; although some have come to Nef and some to Regi, there's not a thing in this world that I wouldn't do to come and help my original family.

Pretty sure you were Legendary at one point. Way to go! b:victory

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · November 2009

Venomeow - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nefarious Officers are not celebrities. I don't spend the hours I have publicizing my name and squad-whoring so people know I'm an officer.

But if you do see me on, I'm probably afking in Archo, interviewing prospective applicants and/or taking care of TW lists and other related tasks.

And if you feel like it, you can always chat me up about Nef or the weather or life or anything.

And btw, Harima, Morgul, Sinanju, and Falls are all ex-officers.

No body said they were celebrities and no ones asking for an interview for the moment. The OP just wanted to neutrally think about some factors that contributed to the current results.

@OP i think the thread already got derailed at the first page

incarnadin · November 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

No body said they were celebrities and no ones asking for an interview for the moment. The OP just wanted to neutrally think about some factors that contributed to the current results.

@OP i think the thread already got derailed at the first page

Your tendance to flame @ Nef turn out being ridiculous. There was a time you tried to prove your points. Now, you're a basic troll; no point made, just, flame for flaming. Congratz

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · November 2009

incarnadin wrote: »

Your tendance to flame @ Nef turn out being ridiculous. There was a time you tried to prove your points. Now, you're a basic troll; no point made, just, flame for flaming. Congratz

Where is the flame?? Please state where i bashed the faction outright. Im just sticking to what the OP said. Why dont you get on your main and stop hiding in an alt name? Are you venomeow? cause the only person i ever saw that spazzed outright on a comment and jumped and joyously called it a flame just to retort, was her so far in my whole time posting on this forum, that i remember even to this day.

You cannot have a discussion of 'dissecting' (aka looking into) a faction without neutrally looking at the good and bad. This thread is about finding/dissecting logically (or might not even be logical at all), the what, where, and hows of a result. If you are just looking for praise then its the wrong thread. Good points will be made but there are always possibilities that negative areas will be discussed. Frankly i do love these kind of analyzing threads and was a bit disappointed when it derailed.

In my first post i even worded it out so to try not to offend pple.
(cept the sinangel post XD but thats not fac related)

HolyInferno - Sanctuary · November 2009

Xoria - Sanctuary wrote: »

LOL, I'm here for the long haul, baby! I don't abandon my factions. *stands by "Oz" as well as Nefarious*

FYI: "Oz" is non PvP faction created by friends; although some have come to Nef and some to Regi, there's not a thing in this world that I wouldn't do to come and help my original family.

my apologies, i got you confused >.<

Xoria - Sanctuary · November 2009

b:cute S'okay~

Ahh, yes, I was in Legendary long long ago because of Zero_Sama. Man, I miss that guy. So many people left, but can't recall why; something to do with gold charms being 400k as a ridiculous price then. Hmm, I guess I did abandon Legendary. b:surrender

Zuyue - Sanctuary · November 2009

Venomeow - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nefarious Officers are not celebrities. I don't spend the hours I have publicizing my name and squad-whoring so people know I'm an officer.

But if you do see me on, I'm probably afking in Archo, interviewing prospective applicants and/or taking care of TW lists and other related tasks.

And if you feel like it, you can always chat me up about Nef or the weather or life or anything.

And btw, Harima, Morgul, Sinanju, and Falls are all ex-officers.

u should ask Templar before u say all nefarious officers... i was in BH with him a week ago split wine cost he said he didnt have to pay because he was a celeb and continued to say that a few times

. So i just call him a celeb now!

Zuyue - Sanctuary · November 2009

HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sinanju (one of the first, one of the best clerics) - He was one of the first neffies and one of the first officers (apparently they ninja promoted him). Left and then went back with yours truly for some fun ^^.

So he started in nef.... revolted in seppuku and went back to nef? Cause i know he was in sepp with me which would make him not 1 of the first neffies as sepp was created much later. I didnt know him before seppuku tho

Raydoit - Sanctuary · November 2009

Xoria - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:cute S'okay~

Ahh, yes, I was in Legendary long long ago because of Zero_Sama. Man, I miss that guy

Oh and that raydoit guy. He was so awesome with his all his jokes about hentai and......well other stuff.

I remember you Xoria but had no idea where you disappeared to b:irritated

Xaratul - Sanctuary · November 2009

Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »

So he started in nef.... revolted in seppuku and went back to nef? Cause i know he was in sepp with me which would make him not 1 of the first neffies as sepp was created much later. I didnt know him before seppuku tho

Yup he was an original nef.
*becomes a ghost again and disappears into obscurity*

_makina_ - Sanctuary · November 2009

b:avoidb:avoidb:avoid
Who you gonna call?

Zuyue - Sanctuary · November 2009

Xaratul - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yup he was an original nef.
*becomes a ghost again and disappears into obscurity*

So one of the original nef like Nishtara and company that was upset with saski leaderships and came to make seppuku?

Ceshiari - Sanctuary · November 2009

ok...what was the purpose of this thread again? Cause all I really see is Nef Officers stepping in and basking in the spotlight. b:surrender

TheDan - Sanctuary · November 2009

_makina_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:avoidb:avoidb:avoid
Who you gonna call?

I'd call [URL="http://bulk.destructoid.com/ul/user/3/34641-139135-BrockObamapng-620x.jpg]my bro[/URL].

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