Clerics Should be Faster

Mkto - Heavens Tear · November 2009

I read all comments and respect everyones opinion not matter wich is. Just to add some comments on some things.

1. about the wizard run slow: well i understand that maybe could be good a little increase in speed 2 but just to make fair and all class keep in balance

2. Armor speed: i know there is armor around that makes u faster and maybe so easy to get but still no to many ppl can get it. for either resason, they got no coins or they do not know how.

3. Holy path / Speed orb:of course they are good and very handly, but over time get a little costly, remember clerics have bad drop rate too, lol so at some point u end expending a lot
and last comment is on : Sqd left u behind and not waiting for u: In my opinion i think this factor is mainly base on player experience, i been around with all kind of lvl and classes, and when u play with Pro player, or players who know how to play their class, of course u will not have any problem, but recently there is a lot of noob ppl around, those ppl who lvl fast and solo thx to token/cs/ and of course oracles, those ppl doesn't know how to play as a team, how to wait for others or simple they lvl so fast they have nno clue in how your class work with the others, and im not taking only clerics, i mean all classes, not to mention some ppl still doesn;t know how to get good protection armor.
Thers is just noob pple around, thx to ani packs, but well we have to deal with it, and what bette than i little speed so u can keep up with sqd and be more useful.

*Im lvl 77 in case someone will wonder, is just im having problem with the avatar

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · November 2009

Mkto - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I read all comments and respect everyones opinion not matter wich is. Just to add some comments on some things.

1. about the wizard run slow: well i understand that maybe could be good a little increase in speed 2 but just to make fair and all class keep in balance

2. Armor speed: i know there is armor around that makes u faster and maybe so easy to get but still no to many ppl can get it. for either resason, they got no coins or they do not know how.

3. Holy path / Speed orb:of course they are good and very handly, but over time get a little costly, remember clerics have bad drop rate too, lol so at some point u end expending a lot
and last comment is on : Sqd left u behind and not waiting for u: In my opinion i think this factor is mainly base on player experience, i been around with all kind of lvl and classes, and when u play with Pro player, or players who know how to play their class, of course u will not have any problem, but recently there is a lot of noob ppl around, those ppl who lvl fast and solo thx to token/cs/ and of course oracles, those ppl doesn't know how to play as a team, how to wait for others or simple they lvl so fast they have nno clue in how your class work with the others, and im not taking only clerics, i mean all classes, not to mention some ppl still doesn;t know how to get good protection armor.
Thers is just noob pple around, thx to ani packs, but well we have to deal with it, and what bette than i little speed so u can keep up with sqd and be more useful.

*Im lvl 77 in case someone will wonder, is just im having problem with the avatar

Amen.b:victory

Alreatha - Sanctuary · November 2009

truekossy wrote: »

IMO, Clerics don't need to run faster because it's the squad's job to make sure they don't run too far ahead and die.

I have a simple policy on my cleric:

1: If you run too far ahead of me, don't expect me to bust my butt to catch up.
2: If you run too far ahead of me and then yell at me for being slow, I push e and start walking to you.
3: If you run too far ahead of me, yell at me for being slow, and complain about a lack of heals/res when you die (especially if this is done more than once) then once we get to boss, I town port and leave squad when you start attacking.or I lag and "somehow" DC.

I should try doing this on my cleric someday. b:laugh

I realised I've been far too patient with the terrible team players.

MaeDawn - Sanctuary · November 2009

b:surrender in all honesty, I'm rarely ever in such a terrible ticked off mood that I'll just walk or drop squad. Its /very/ rare for me, mainly because I'd just feel terrible for doing so. (-coughs- yeah -.- I get walked on and guilt tripped and blah blah blah, I fail at this game)

But I mean, if its that bad, make base speed the same for /every/ class, then every class can have their own speed boosts (barbs with their true form, venos summer sprint, BMs millions of boosts, etc etc) I mean ._.; can't we get like...SUPERHEALINGMEGARUN! (wizards can get something like AWESOMESEIYANMAGESPRINT!)
Yes, I do spam Holy Path, and my genie has a pretty decent energy regain, and yes I do use apoth stuff, but its still never really enough. If I /truly/ did want to keep up with barbs (and I admit to doing this sometimes) its when I book it fast right after buffs, spaming HP and Apoth, and totally ignoring squads who pick up left over mobs, because by the time they finish those mobs and I reach the destination, they're there already too.
I know its common courtesy to wait, but how often do you run into well mannered people on the game? :S
I just wanna keep people alive b:surrender too much to ask for?

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver · November 2009

MaeDawn - Sanctuary wrote: »

...
(wizards can get something like AWESOMESEIYANMAGESPRINT!)
...

For Wizards:
Distant Shrink

Uses the divine force of the Earth to instantly teleport forward.

I often use this spell.

Gush

Force a powerful Water column to spew up from the ground causing enemies to suffer Water damage. Has a chance to slow (by about 40%)

I often use this spell too.

Pitfall

Manipulate the divine force of the Earth and summon a mystic sandswirl underneath the enemy inflicting Earth damage. Has a chance to reduce speed (and even stop enemy).

Best DOT.

Glacial Snare

Launch multiple ice arrows at the enemy to trap them in an ice prison causing Water damage. Has a chance to greatly reduce targets speed (about 60%).

I will use this spell again, when will have proper level.

If my Wizard had speed about 6-7, then he could to kill more bosses himself.
For example, this is most wanted by me:
Gouf - StyxTauren Chief:
speed 8 m/s,
my 4.8 m/s.
If I will reduce it's speed by 40%, then it will run with speed 4.8 m/s (same as mine).

Just it stop me from attacking it right now.

MaeDawn - Sanctuary · November 2009

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »

For Wizards:
Distant Shrink

Uses the divine force of the Earth to instantly teleport forward.

I often use this spell.

Gush

Force a powerful Water column to spew up from the ground causing enemies to suffer Water damage. Has a chance to slow

I often use this spell too.

But I saw a few wizards complaining in the above posts b:surrender figured I'd be somewhat humorous and fair and add them in as well.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear · November 2009

These stupid players whose don't want wait for cleric these are quick leveling players thanks to anniversary pack. They are inexperienced just fast leveling. They don't know, that cleric and wizard are the slowest classes. Their mistake.b:angry

Gaijen - Sanctuary · November 2009

It doesn't matter how fast the cleric runs. There will always be the idiots that have to run ahead and risk wiping the party so they can be first to the mob/boss.

Personally, when playing my BM, I tend to pull "Rear Guard" in caves. I will run along with the slowest character until we get to the next mob/boss to make sure they don't get attacked with the main fighting force too far ahead to help.

When I am on my cleric I will warn people that I am slow and not to get too far ahead. After that, **** them. I'll rez them when I get there.

I wouldn't mind a speed burst for my cleric - not so much so that he can keep up, but so he can get away and survive when someone does something stupid.

Fliiick - Heavens Tear · November 2009

I'll be honest, I haven't past page 2 as I'm lazy b:surrender

I think clerics should at least get a movement increase skill. I mean, look at all the other classes: they all have one, no matter if it's **** or good. They all have one... except a cleric.

And anyone who says Guardian Light is a speed increase skill i will eat you!

ChaoticTears - Harshlands · November 2009

If you get to a boss and the clerics not there.. you wait... its a no brainer tbh.
Any muppet who doesnt wait deserves all they get.

Bowlinbob - Lost City · November 2009

ChaoticTears - Harshlands wrote: »

If you get to a boss and the clerics not there.. you wait... its a no brainer tbh.
Any muppet who doesnt wait deserves all they get.

*starts calling people muppets in bh*b:chuckle

valorien · November 2009

I'm a cleric. I dealt with it. Yea I wanted to go faster but I dealt with it. Now (lvl 87) I run at 5.3 with gear. I'm faster than some of my archer and BM friends. You think you run slow? You do, get over it. Someone has to be the slowest.

Leave Cleric the way it is. LOL what am I saying of course you will. Does anyone here honestly think this thread is going to get the cleric speed changed LOL

Bowlinbob - Lost City · November 2009

valorien wrote: »

I'm a cleric. I dealt with it. Yea I wanted to go faster but I dealt with it. Now (lvl 87) I run at 5.3 with gear. I'm faster than some of my archer and BM friends. You think you run slow? You do, get over it. Someone has to be the slowest.

Leave Cleric the way it is. LOL what am I saying of course you will. Does anyone here honestly think this thread is going to get the cleric speed changed LOL

why not post on your 87 cleric then?b:question

p.s. im a lvl 100 barb who thinks clerics should keep up with me <- see how that works?

btw poll isnt in your favor, the majority agrees with the OP, including non-clerics

MaeDawn - Sanctuary · November 2009

Gaijen - Sanctuary wrote: »

I wouldn't mind a speed burst for my cleric - not so much so that he can keep up, but so he can get away and survive when someone does something stupid.

-.- oh too true.

Meriola - Dreamweaver · November 2009

...and sometimes, it's a cleric running on ahead.

Unwined FB59, random squad from world chat. Highest level is a 90 cleric from one of the big factions. I get in the instance late, most of the party is by the metal token, the 90 cleric has already started the boss fight with Zimo (before the boss was tabbed) when I get into the Valley of Metal. I start healing when I get in there, and have to plead for him to stop killing the boss so quick so the tabber (and rest of the party) can arrive.

We proceed to the Valley of Wood, where most of us are clearing the mobs out of the token area... except, of course, for the high level cleric, who again starts the boss fight early, without having bothered to clear the mobs, apparently, as when I get to him and start healing, I'm stun-locked by the florafang guards and soon die. The rest of the party arrives and also dies (high cleric still alive). I ask to be rezzed, someone else told the high cleric to rez me... so of course I'm the last revived. Reviving everyone lets his defenses down enough that he finally dies. I chew out the cleric for his actions, he leaves squad in a huff (threatening to PK me if I ever went white named, as if that's ever going to happen) and I recruited an 85 wizard from faction to tank the rest of the FB, which went without incident.

MK - Dreamweaver · November 2009

Meriola - Dreamweaver wrote: »

...and sometimes, it's a cleric running on ahead.

Unwined FB59, random squad from world chat. Highest level is a 90 cleric from one of the big factions. I get in the instance late, most of the party is by the metal token, the 90 cleric has already started the boss fight with Zimo (before the boss was tabbed) when I get into the Valley of Metal. I start healing when I get in there, and have to plead for him to stop killing the boss so quick so the tabber (and rest of the party) can arrive.

We proceed to the Valley of Wood, where most of us are clearing the mobs out of the token area... except, of course, for the high level cleric, who again starts the boss fight early, without having bothered to clear the mobs, apparently, as when I get to him and start healing, I'm stun-locked by the florafang guards and soon die. The rest of the party arrives and also dies (high cleric still alive). I ask to be rezzed, someone else told the high cleric to rez me... so of course I'm the last revived. Reviving everyone lets his defenses down enough that he finally dies. I chew out the cleric for his actions, he leaves squad in a huff (threatening to PK me if I ever went white named, as if that's ever going to happen) and I recruited an 85 wizard from faction to tank the rest of the FB, which went without incident.

...like i said, probably a noob who lvl so fast they have no clue of what he's doing. b:laugh, just because they got to 90 they think they are high lvls. High lvl in number but in experience still a noob.

And the part he didn't res u first is stupid, very stupid. Of course cleric should be the first in been res, that way he/she can help the other to res/heal and buff sqd again. b:cute

Pepper - Lost City · November 2009

Meriola - Dreamweaver wrote: »

...and sometimes, it's a cleric running on ahead.

Unwined FB59, random squad from world chat. Highest level is a 90 cleric from one of the big factions. I get in the instance late, most of the party is by the metal token, the 90 cleric has already started the boss fight with Zimo (before the boss was tabbed) when I get into the Valley of Metal. I start healing when I get in there, and have to plead for him to stop killing the boss so quick so the tabber (and rest of the party) can arrive.

We proceed to the Valley of Wood, where most of us are clearing the mobs out of the token area... except, of course, for the high level cleric, who again starts the boss fight early, without having bothered to clear the mobs, apparently, as when I get to him and start healing, I'm stun-locked by the florafang guards and soon die. The rest of the party arrives and also dies (high cleric still alive). I ask to be rezzed, someone else told the high cleric to rez me... so of course I'm the last revived. Reviving everyone lets his defenses down enough that he finally dies. I chew out the cleric for his actions, he leaves squad in a huff (threatening to PK me if I ever went white named, as if that's ever going to happen) and I recruited an 85 wizard from faction to tank the rest of the FB, which went without incident.

wow lol that`s sux
anyway if u not gonna make us faster (and i mean BASIC speed, not gear/geanie) give us back pt holy path so we can keep up with the squadb:embarrass

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · November 2009

OH also.
Faster = easier b:pleased in the sense that you dont have to walk around archo or any town on your mount that doesnt jump over walls lol

Quilue - Sanctuary · November 2009

naw what they really need is to reduce the cooldown and chi cost of elven alacrity so Deceptipoo takes me on her bhs as her extra holy path b:chuckle

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · November 2009

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

naw what they really need is to reduce the cooldown and chi cost of elven alacrity so Deceptipoo takes me on her bhs as her extra holy path b:chuckle

Things for Qui to do:

-Lv barrage
-Lv Level

run along

AngelOfLies - Heavens Tear · November 2009

omg i love u for making this thread xD clerics (in a way) r the only class without a speed buff. i hate it in bh59 qianji+drake im always left behind. my 60 veno can hit 6.6 m/sec with lvl 1 summers sprint and an archer buff

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · November 2009

Just say no. Speed kills.

_Pale - Sanctuary · December 2009

Here's a novel idea:

EVERY PLAYER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR OWN SURVIVAL

Unless you have made a deal with the cleric that they will keep you alive while you take on a boss that would kill you in an instant in order for all of you to get a quest finished, you have to make sure you survive on you're own. When did the idea start that clerics are mother Goose/ carebears, taking care of everyone, self-sacrificing and always there to catch you when you fall, taking the blame for when you mess up and patching you up to face the world again. Anyone looking for that...? You should go back to your mother!

Whatever the devs invisioned when they made this class is completely irrelevant since they are not the ones playing it. There is no obligation to do all the other things we do, but we do them because we can.

All classes except archers have some form of self-heal and archers compensate by using their speed and knock-backs. So basically they can take care of themselves. Barbs have enough vit to stay alive and are mostly able to tank anything using pots, bladers have their self heal to keep them alive, veno's have their pets to take the damage and self heal with the possibility to switch mana for HP and vice versa, wizards have a heal which is enough to keep themselves alive against mobs. So basically the chars are set up to be able to survive.

Therefore for any other races... WE DON"T NEED TO SAVE YOU, UNLESS YOU MESS THINGS UP..., which is always you're own fault.
On the other hand: you messing up (dropping aggro, running while being healed, pulling mob to cleric), can get us killed.

Clerics healing in any other case then while completing a quest to kill a powerfull boss, is a favor, not a right. It doesn't happen very often (unless in good higher lvl squads) that other races pull the mobs off the cleric. Everyone just stands there watching the cleric get killed, while pointing out where the cleric was being stupid. When we die it is considered our own fault too.

So as a consequence: increasing speed for clerics is not an issue, we don't need to take care of you.

Sacronox - Harshlands · December 2009

Technical necro right? It's been over a month =P

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear · December 2009

Necro Necro is Necro.

b:angry

Dynaskid_MM - Dreamweaver · December 2009

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Clerics already have a movement buff that applies to flying. Clerics also have a speed buff skill (even though its level 79...), and they can use genie skills as well. You can also get gear with +m/s bonuses to make up for the speed.

That said, I really do not care either way.

we arent all rich to buy stuff like that and genie skill meh lol
and the skill that do increase speed too broke to buy em bleh

ElderSig - Dreamweaver · December 2009

I replied to this idea when I saw it in the suggestions forum...

My idea, make the dominance blessings that clerics (maybe wizards? idc really) receive when they enter an instance also give +.2 speed increase.

Therefore allowing the cleric to move faster in the areas where a squad working together is necessary, but this speed increase will not affect any other part of the game (pvp mainly) by being limited to the instance only.

DrunkWizard - Lost City · December 2009

ElderSig - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I replied to this idea when I saw it in the suggestions forum...

My idea, make the dominance blessings that clerics (maybe wizards? idc really) receive when they enter an instance also give +.2 speed increase.

Therefore allowing the cleric to move faster in the areas where a squad working together is necessary, but this speed increase will not affect any other part of the game (pvp mainly) by being limited to the instance only.

i think that idea seems like will work fine o.o but should aply for wizzies too

so we can DD b:surrender

_Pale - Sanctuary · December 2009

b:coldb:coldb:cold.......

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · December 2009

Sacronox - Harshlands wrote: »

Technical necro right? It's been over a month =P

they got a point tho b:chuckle

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