Anniversary Pack Discussion

TheGodOfVVar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Yesterday I saw another player type on world chat that they were getting paid on friday and was gonna dump $500 into getting more gold! Really? $500?! Anyone who dumps hundreds, or even thousands of dollars into this, or any other mmorpg, need their head examined. Honestly it would be cheaper to go with one that had a monthly fee. Plus let us not forget of those who dumped money into this game only to get banned for having an opinion.

Apparently that person is very happy with the game. However, if they are only spending $500 than they are not even close to heavy cash shoppers...

Although it may be hard to understand to some people, there are plenty of people out there that are very rich in RL, and $500 is nothing to them. If they were not spending it in this game, as intertainment, they would be blowing it somewhere else. Think of it this way, for some people $500 is the same as someone spending 25 cents on some gum. Don't be jelous and make offensive comments, people are free to spend their money where and how they want, just be happy they are spending it on this game, so they are in fact paying for the game for quite a few people that play for free.

Some people like to spend money in cars, others in wine, or beer, or art, or movies, or bottled water, and some people like to spend money in mmos. If they have the disposable income, they will be spending it somewhere.

Obviously you missed the point that these people greatly contribute to the downfall of this game, ruining it for all us poor people who work hard for a living, instead of just having money handed to us without doing a thing to have earned it, like Paris Hilton.

Plus, this game is advertised as being free. Where is the free part?

It IS free to play. I guess you forgot you DO NOT have to pay for anything if you decided not to.

Yes I spent a few hundreds....yes people hate me....but I always sell things cheap. When I seen Anii packs back this morning...I sold a bunch of MP and HP charms (Gold) for 600K. I guess I am part of the downfall hm? Darn me for spending money to help people *sigh*

Whatever, I'm done trying to have a debate with you people. Continue dumping your parents money into an online game and see where it gets you in the end. I refuse to talk to people who are nothing more than rich brats.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Some people like to spend money in cars, others in wine, or beer, or art, or movies, or bottled water, and some people like to spend money in mmos. If they have the disposable income, they will be spending it somewhere.

Exactly "Oh, I think I want to buy a new car this month." "Oh, I think I want to buy a new gaming laptop this month" "I think I'll take off to Aspen this weekend" "I want to toss PWI a grand for keeping me entertained." I worked my butt off for years to get where I am, it's my choice on how I want to spend my money.

Also on the spoiled rich brat remark..that usues parents monies...

I am disabled, on a fixed income and not living with my parents.

Go me for being Middle Classed! b:victory

Night night peeps.

Alphae - Lost City wrote: »

It's an excellent question. I think there's a difference between turning a profit and excessive greed.

They charge you up front, than every month. You also have to pay for upgrades. The reason it works is because they can budget how much to spend in the servers, since they know how many people bought the software. Also, they count on the fact that people will get multiple accounts, so it is really not $30 per month, it ends up being $100 or more. In addition, they make leveling and aquiring end-game gear pretty easy, so once people reach it (usualy within a week or two), they get bored and start spending less time online, or get additional accounts to level up the "new classes", therefore paying extra, until the next upgrade, which they will buy.

I played P2P games before, most players I knew were paying for at least 3 accounts.

Not sure the profit and greed comments are useful or relevant, since you stated you did not know how they did it, so as far you should be concerned, p2p could be even greedier and you would not know.

@ TheGodOfVVar - It has nothing to do with being right or wrong. I can only give my opinion, based on my experiences, however, my experiences will be different than someone else's, and that is ok. You do not have to insult people that do not agree with you. It is ok to have different opinions and it is ok to still be respectful.

Maybe instead of Anni Packs, we can have like sales of other items. This way the boutique wont be giving end game items out to cash players on a platter ^^. Maybe sales for dragon orbs or charms would be a good ideal; this way PWI developers will still profit and players would be more happy. With all these new gears I am sure cash players cannot wait to refine them :P, this would make the gold prices drop so that non-cash players can also purchase gold and get necessary items.

However, the 100k for anniv packs is a rather horrible idea.....That way is like giving ALL players end game gears pretty much. First it gives cash players too little advantage, meaning they wont zen, which means PWI will not be making money, meaning this online game will not work. And you cannot really expect to equate 100k for one gold/dollar. I am pretty sure that most people will say one should be able to get more than 100k for one dollar. You cannot even do much with 100k lol, and it is relatively easy to make just by grinding.

**** you GMs!!!!!!!!!!!!! you ****ing greedy ****!!! All you care about is making more money while you **** up this game. I don't know why we even bother posting our opinions on here, they don't listen or care!

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

They charge you up front, than every month. You also have to pay for upgrades. The reason it works is because they can budget how much to spend in the servers, since they know how many people bought the software. Also, they count on the fact that people will get multiple accounts, so it is really not $30 per month, it ends up being $100 or more. In addition, they make leveling and aquiring end-game gear pretty easy, so once people reach it (usualy within a week or two), they get bored and start spending less time online, or get additional accounts to level up the "new classes", therefore paying extra, until the next upgrade, which they will buy.

I played P2P games before, most players I knew were paying for at least 3 accounts.

Not sure the profit and greed comments are useful or relevant, since you stated you did not know how they did it, so as far you should be concerned, p2p could be even greedier and you would not know.

@ TheGodOfVVar - It has nothing to do with being right or wrong. I can only give my opinion, based on my experiences, however, my experiences will be different than someone else's, and that is ok. You do not have to insult people that do not agree with you. It is ok to have different opinions and it is ok to still be respectful.

Aions cheaper and both graphically and content quality it's far superior to pw. You don't need multiple accounts to have multiple characters/classes either. They also have a larger number of servers that run smoothly. So I think it's clear that PWI makes far more than sufficient amounts of cash. The game was far better when the dev cared more about the content equal to the cash in their pockets... now the scales so unbalanced.

Ok, so I think It's obvious the majority of people DO NOT want the packs so why are they back, again, for the 3rd time? What was the point of even making this thread if you do not listen to what us, the players, want? There are so many good ideas that could be added to the game that people actually want. Why not try looking at the suggestion box? Honestly PWI is driving itself into a hole with greed and no concern for the game, I really don't want to see it end this way, so please, make updates that benefit the game.

JOKER_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

WTH? are you a GM or what? if you dont know an answer for such a simple question then you are just useless!!!... you should be a MOD not a GM...

He told you : he is not in charge of sales. From what I can see, he's more of a community manager or something like that, so the decision on what goes in the cash shop have nothing to do with his job description.

Sesshomaru_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

However, the 100k for anniv packs is a rather horrible idea.....That way is like giving ALL players end game gears pretty much. First it gives cash players too little advantage, meaning they wont zen, which means PWI will not be making money, meaning this online game will not work. And you cannot really expect to equate 100k for one gold/dollar. I am pretty sure that most people will say one should be able to get more than 100k for one dollar. You cannot even do much with 100k lol, and it is relatively easy to make just by grinding.

Gold used to be 100k and less. It obviously was considered 'fair' before this summer. Also, the game ran for a year before the anni packs came out-- the players won't charge zen? They did for a year.

Also-- the JJ events equate 100k to $1.

@JOKER_: Seriously, please, GTFO, yourself. Bashing the GMs and Mods ISN'T gonna make them tell you that 'information' they're 'withholding'. Thinking they could do a better job than what they're doing? Sure, do that. I do that. But insulting them does nothing to help your case, just makes you look like an ****.

Okay, so I've not checked what the cash shop is doing today but is Jazmin is right then there's a platinum charm sale. Plat charms for six gold... And the packs keep gold prices high at 400k cheapest, 550k or above at most expensive. So, at the cheapest price, platinum charms are going to be selling for 2.4 million. At the most expensive it could be 3.6 million or above. In truth, this isn't really too different to prices that people were selling those sorts of charms anyway. At least the devs got that price nearly spot on. But who remembers the time when, even won in the anniversary packs, platinum charms were between 2 million to 2.5 million? I know I sure as hell do, because I was trying to sell three of the darn things.

PWE is really crashing the in-game economy something terrible and it's almost painful to watch by this point. I'm not about to ragequit the game, but I'm certainly very unhappy. Many on my friends list have probably quit, never to be seen again (and I know at least two of these were themselves heavy cash shoppers) and those who haven't are slowly being driven up the wall by the high prices. I'm not exactly a "poor" player, but I'm finding that it's a struggle to certain things too. Hell, I need two golden spirits to make my TT 80 gold - and the only ones I saw before the AH bugged and Twilight Temple filters disappeared were three million a piece. Six million? For two mats? I know they're rare but they were never so expensive. And that's simply one example of the inflation - and I'm not exactly a poor player, noob nor lower level newbie. I dread to think how this game might look to some of the newer players, I'm sure some of them are struggling too if they aren't using oracles to pump their way up into the 90s at lightning speed.

For those of you blaming GMs; please note in this situation they are little more than messengers. Devs control what goes in, and out, of this game for the most part. Spoons is taking a lot of heat here from some users - heat which isn't deserved and is incredibly unfair to go around. If you want to blame anybody for this mess you need to point your finger at the devs - GMs have little control over the cash shop and mods certainly have no say in what happens. Make sure you point fingers at the right people otherwise you look like fools.

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Various GMs may have various jobs. I doubt a community manager have anything to do with what goes in the cash shop or not.

omg...
that's not my point!!! if he's a community manager he should just ask a person responsible for cash shop items and give us an answer... so hard to understand??