Arcane VS L.A. ONCE AND FOR ALL!

prof wrote: »

he's level 83 and has about 107 base agi. he's doing something terribly, terribly wrong.

no point in stacking so much crit when it nullifies your damage.

my magic attack, magic defense, hp and mp are all suppier to his at the same level. he has 5% more crit and some-what higher pdef(I think 8x I was around 5k pdef self buffed. cba to find it).

doesn't seem like a huge increase for what I would've lost.

im doing nothing wrong. Without equipment my dex is enough for tt80, with equipment my dex is 107. LA has helped. prof remember my armor is +2 with g6 citrines. I still have to get my tt80 gold boots. after that i might upgrade a tiny bit ^^

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

im doing nothing wrong. Without equipment my dex is enough for tt80, with equipment my dex is 107. LA has helped. prof remember my armor is +2 with g6 citrines. I still have to get my tt80 gold boots. after that i might upgrade a tiny bit ^^

I don't think those idiots understand the concept of LA wiz rely on crit damage...

if he doesn't crit on that BT, nope. And that's basically his only chance to get me, a BT crit. Might happen sooner or later, but rather later than sooner and not too often.
But I can 1 shot him without a crit, Don't even have to use any genie skill, that would be overkill. And I'm not talking about 2 spark hits here.
Yeefong, I don't think u understand the concept of having a ****ty mag def against a class that can debuff you and deal the biggest magic dmg in the game.

BTW Mizou, what's your HP right now?

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if he doesn't crit on that BT, nope. And that's basically his only chance to get me, a BT crit. Might happen sooner or later, but rather later than sooner and not too often.
But I can 1 shot him without a crit, Don't even have to use any genie skill, that would be overkill. And I'm not talking about 2 spark hits here.
Yeefong, I don't think u understand the concept of having a ****ty mag def against a class that can debuff you and deal the biggest magic dmg in the game.

BTW Mizou, what's your HP right now?

obviously the only time when u survive a BT lev9 is in ur dreams b:pleased
let's not talk abt mage star coz if he pop that..u r as good as dead. And NO u can't 1 shot a debuffed LA if he has a good HP armor stupid.

more gibberish talk from ursa b:chuckle u sleep when he uses soro whisper and at his level he can 1 shot with BT and prob it will probably be an overkill too b:thanks

you are wat...7 lev higher than him..big deal -_-'

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol, yeefong ... Your tiny brain still thinks I'll just stay there and wait to be hit by a lvl9 BT? Even If I'm slept for some reason, he'd still be having a hard time to pull out at 83 a not crit tempest that can 1 shot me. If genies are comming into discussion, I can just simple 1 shot him with a frenzy gush/pyro ( and not talk about sparks 'cause a sparked undined hit might just send him back in time) so let's stop the discussion before genie use.

an LA wizard crit is not something to underestimate, but so far I have to see a Arcane wizard lose to a LA, even at same lvl with equally refined wpn/gear (and don't give me examples with r-tards and scroll babies). LA might have an easier life against melee/phys classes, but against magic ones ... lol.

there is so much u need to learn about this game I'm not even bother to talk to you again unless you're trying to make some sense in what you're talking about.

maybe ur server is so pathetic there's no decent LA wiz so UUrsa running around pking lev70 with 3* gears..and think.."i am soo proo now yoo b:victory"

yeefong: I've never been 1 hit by a light armour mage in my entire life. especially not one who's purposely gimping himself and using +2 gears. he might crit.. I don't know, 2k? 1.5k? maybe that's too high, 800? hell if I know.

on the other hand, I can 1 hit 5/6 classes with pyro tempest. and no those aren't the nongeared people like mizouni, those are people with +12 defense accessories. and when I get 99 and learn the dark version, it'll become that much easier

maybe you light mages will hit 90 and have the revelation that most of this forum has had already: "light sucks".

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

hmmm...not really.
I've been winning duels against 83-84 LA mages since I've been 77. Those guys were at least decent enough to admit that they get owned by robes.
Now, I really really want to see how the hell a 83 LA mage can 1shot me when now I have about 10% more mdef, 1.3k more HP and almost twice the Pdef I had back then. Really, I want to see that happening. And moreover, one of those LA mages I was talking about was a really good PKer and his gear was prolly the best u can get LA wise, refined and socketed.
I have facts, u have words, so b:bye. Go get some knowledge and come back later

same. except i've been beating LA since level 30 (Except those cases where they're armed with mold gear and now TT gear I suppose) and my gear sucks ****.
b:surrender

<- aw fiddlesticks meant to post on my wizard.
(>.<)'

and who said you have to be LA in PvP servers?
xD
me prove them wrong. I PvP just fine. (Better in fact lol bm/archers just get em from behind with sutra your extra full mag damage will kill em/ barbs kite like theres no tomorrow/ clerics errrr.... still working on that *darn sleep* T.T' also haven't really met any clerics I had/wanted to pk. Venos/ kite (unless they have nixes then run away. xD)
(^.^)
and I suppose Coh does too.
=D

Ursa seems nice, you just act like a know-it-all. truly annoying if I do say so myself. you think your words are going to fight a fight that will never happen. I'll shove that light armour up your **** given the chance. b:bye

and ya, you do need good gear. I don't care how logical you think you are, this game isn't based on logic. it's based on the cash shop.

JediPandaX - Sanctuary wrote: »

So when should i switch over to Arcane, at what lvl. and are you talking about resets, or just funneling points into mag from then?

Sometime at/around level 90. (O.o)
They talking about resets not funneling points.
b:victory

or....you could be like 10% of the people here (according to the poll) and roll other build!
LOLS~~
heavy build anyone?
xD


Muhahah me am a full mag robe wizard because me like big numbers. Even when I get hit.

wait thats bad.
(>.<)'

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I did not mean to seem like a know it all. if it makes you feel better, I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WIZARD CLASS! Its just really annoying that people think arcane>LA. A decently built LA wiz can beat an arcane wiz. Being pure before, i know a pure mag wiz weakness and i can exploit it. Ursa and i used to be real cool, i dont know what is going on. Ursa, if i have offended you in any way i am sorryb:beg. As for prof, didnt you used to post how wizards suck? I am highly curious about this change in opinion.

its also very annoying that people think sage>demon. Life isnt perfect, get over it...

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

As for prof, didnt you used to post how wizards suck? I am highly curious about this change in opinion.

when and where? I came into this forum defending mages since I began here. its my original class. I played it before any other. the only opinions of mine that have changed is the choice of gears, because now I know what is available and now I know what is best for any mage to use.

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

prof, didn't you restat somwhere in the 90s?
I think someone did that and wrote about it...can't remember who.

I've restatted many times between a few builds. I posted this about light armour vs. robes in the past:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=4122262

prof wrote: »

at level 93 i've been back and forth between both builds a few times(friend is light armoured, he made it affordable b:surrender).

prof at 93:
http://pwcalc.ru/my/?char=81601f7db3864b9c

i figure i'm "well off" when it comes to luck on getting my gears(except how all of my hh90 has lowest con and int bonuses b:sad). i've put a lot of work into it, it better work lol

now, when i use my friends armour:
http://pwcalc.ru/my/?char=4eea71ced073c14a

i wont lie, his armour is better lol. he's still in a guild so he's still getting paid for tw. i'm guildless so i'll forever be +6. which idc cos i'm just going to decompose it eventually anyways.

with the light armour:

i hit ~600-800 points less on archers, which isn't a huge loss compared to hitting crits quite a bit more. but as you can see, 7% isn't a spectacular number. crits are still rare.

the increase in defense isn't very special either. archers are only hitting 200~400 less(which is a very insignificant number, lol). warriors hit a lot less but, warriors don't kill anyways. tanks are useless. priest are still ****. and yes, magics **** you now.

now with the robes:

i'm hitting higher, and crit rarely. but i promise you, the crits are a lot more satisfying lol

lesser defense makes archers harder to tank(i don't. i stun like a wr lol). but i have dark distance shrink. gf 5m radius b:bye

i've never really had a problem tanking a wr unless it's a 99+ fist wr w/ speed gears. that hurts, and it'll kill anyone lol. especially exke's +12 agamatanks

tanks are still useless until they get dark bko+perdition. even then, i just blizzard+blink. if i see a perdition coming > single fury burst b:bye


basically what i'm saying: i prefer robes. the skills i use suit it better. +i'm dark, and you ****'s all like holy and light armour, so i'm just the ugly duckling here.

My last words on this

LA and Arcane are both great. Its the PLAYER who makes the difference.

Arcanes get more firepower approx 15-22% per skill depending on build comparison and target.

Arcane however die fast at point blank range.

LA do less damage, but way more than any other class - period.

LA can survive mutliple blows at point blank.

And for the person (cleric I believe) who thinks they can survive lv 9 and above Blade Tempest, your either:
A a lier,
B in denial
C already dead and therefore dreaming
D Heavy Armor cleric and a failure anyway

PrettySammy - Sanctuary wrote: »

My last words on this

LA and Arcane are both great. Its the PLAYER who makes the difference.

Arcanes get more firepower approx 15-22% per skill depending on build comparison and target.

Arcane however die fast at point blank range.

LA do less damage, but way more than any other class - period.

LA can survive mutliple blows at point blank.

And for the person (cleric I believe) who thinks they can survive lv 9 and above Blade Tempest, your either:
A a lier,
B in denial
C already dead and therefore dreaming
D Heavy Armor cleric and a failure anyway

arcane can easily have more survivability than LA. If you saw kristoph's screenshot comparing him and darkedge.. (darkedge was 9x LA with everything +5 or higher and kritoph 9x arcane with everything +5 or higher.. roughly equivalent gear) it showed how kritoph had significantly higher pdef and mres, and a little more hp.. kritoph also had more damage and about the same crit. There really isnt much of an argument as to what is better if u invest in your gear a bit(+5 gear HH90/decent molds/3*/whatever that has good stats). As a side note, last night i saw darkedge at village of naught and he insisted on one fight because i restated to pure and he wanted to show me how much better LA was. I still dont have my boots/wrists/belt cuz im poor, and the few things I have are +3 or +4, compared to his all +5, and his weapon is +7 with 2 immac HH90 glaive compared to my +6 1 flawless HH90 glaive. He easily had the gear advantag. i only have 3.8k pdef and 3.7k hp until i get the rest of my gear. Anyway we fought two times, first one lasted about 10 secs where i 2 shot him (poke followed by BT) then second one lasted over 5 mins (i kept wasted my chi because i was impatient) and then it was charm **** till i was **** and thought i was out of range but rly wasnt (after a distance shrink) and i died Anyway, the only reason i give the story is because I was really surprised how well i did against him being how much better his gear and level (he was 95 with several 92 skills) and to be honest, if we fought again im pretty sure i could beat him consistantly. arcane is much better than LA at 9x+.

I use a +6 HH 90 glaive as arcane.. lvl 10 BT wont one shot a decent cleric my level. I generally hit clerics anywhere from 4k+ to 3.2k depending on pdef and my dmg range of wep. Any cleric planning on PvP should be a vit build, and have at LEAST 4k hp at 90 (unbuffed). Im not saying they are impossible.. but i generally need to FoW poke sleep then BT, though after the first time they could easily just prepare for that strategy with a 79 skill.. plume shell, or some genie skill as im coming at them. The point is, its easily possible for a cleric to survive a lvl 10 BT.