Which weapons are best for a BM?

Axes are the best BM wep for mutli versatile use.

Tw, a axe bm pwns face

Pvp Stun lock, axes...Pwn face

Pve Aoeing 8-10 mobs at a time , axes , pwn face b:victory

Sanjoydeori - Heavens Tear wrote: »

TW=?
PvP=?
PVE=?

TW=Axe
PvP=Pole (party PvP) / Sword (1vs1 PvP)
PvE=Fist/Sword (Fist is better, but the attack debuff from sword is nice toob:cute)

That is my opinion.

EDIT: my PvE opinion was referring to boss fights. Axes and Spear are better for AoE grinding mobs and generally clearing places.

Ophelius - Dreamweaver wrote: »

PvP: fists for attack speed and dps
PvE: Axes for aoe, fists for bosses

I can't say much about TW, because I haven't been involved in one yet. Heavens flame = win.
Attack speed buff for fists = win.

You win either way. b:victory

No Just no

High DPS doesn't necessary lead to victory. You could have high DPS but you
still can't kill your enemy. For instance if you are a fist BM you have to land many hits in order to tick your enemy's charm and your dmg aren;t high enough to take down your enemy in a few secs. Moreover your enemy can run, jump, fly, etc to avoid your attack. Unless you have an extremely well refined fist weapon or else I don;t see how fist can be the best choice. In addition to that fist BM probably has the lowest HP among all other classes which made them highly vulnerable to attack from their enemy. I am not very familiar with sword and therefore I can;t give much comment about it.

Ophelius - Dreamweaver wrote: »

PvP: fists for attack speed and dps
PvE: Axes for aoe, fists for bosses

I can't say much about TW, because I haven't been involved in one yet. Heavens flame = win.
Attack speed buff for fists = win.

You win either way. b:victory

tebo wrote: »

No Just no

Actually yes o-o, Fist do own Just need speed

TW=Axe, who doesn't love big round metal things b:laugh
PvE=Fists, only cause they have uber shiny sexy powers
Pvp=Pike, omg i love carrying the long poles b:dirty

natedog97 wrote: »

Not saying this is the best but... how about this concept.

For PvP

Get fast fingers.. and change weapon.

Gear that makes you attack faster

Stun
Demon spark
Axe amp dmg
Fist DPs

Nice thing with this is if you find yourself in trouble you can start to stun lock.

Laugh all you want I have seen it kill off barbs of equal lvl and gears in no time.

Granted this idea is for those 9x Bms who are already too stuckup to take in a suggestion.

Flame on.

The problem is your enemy will run away when they see you demon spark them. Speaking about practicality I think the best is to stun, HF amp, poison and kill in the next 2 moves (max). The best is to kill your enemy without relying on zerk or cri. If you can' just hope for one zerk or cri to finish them. If you are facing an archer just take one accuracy pot and do the same like you are doing to other classes

I love this forum. ****-rific.

fist are, by far, the best 1v1 weapon imaginable for warriors. give your opponent more than 6k hp, axe users wont even be able to get them to half when their hiero cools down. no axe user has ever killed any of my characters(unless I was low level in the hidden tomb. newgen always pk low levels there ). the only weapon path that has actually hurt me is fist, and a smart spear user I met in tw one time(cv gold spear and hh99 spear. **** debuffed me).

and, please, fist users "frail hp"? why, because poor people have base con because they can't afford refines? I have +4 hh90 green and over 6k base hp, how is that low? give me defense buffs and I seemingly live forever.

1v1 = cyclone kick -> switch to spear -> debuff any obscure buffs with normal attacks.

- only skills from spear you should be using is the range skill(if they run and low on hp), the push skill(if you have dark in a crowd situation. stuns) and the doom(if you have dark). in other words, don't use spears unless you have dark skills for it(and the proper weapons, like the cv gold spear, hh100 spear and hh99 debuff spear). the skills are weak at level 10.

> switch back to fist, cyclone kick > roar > punch > axes, drake, fist. if they didn't die from that, cyclone kick and try again. if they tank you straight out, use thruster bash(fist doom. don't know pwi name) from half hp alone with cyclone kick. they'll die. if it's a warrior and he wont stop stunning you, striding stroll(anti-movement debuff run skill). no other warrior is going to kill you, if you can't kill him just fury. if he uses alter marrow, make some element pills. thruster already adds 100% of your patk in fire damage(135% dark), so their marrow only makes you hit harder.

if you can't tank their damage, learn to use your 2 jump skills.

I didn't mention swords in that 1v1 because I just really don't find a use for them. I have found myself playing with them because the 49 skill looks cool, and it lowers dodge(good for archers, I suppose). but other than that, the doom isn't useful when I want to be killing things. the only time I use myriad is in gv on heavy pileups.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually no. If it was PvE I'd completely agree, but in PvP speed and steady consistent damage only puts you ticking their charm repeatedly while they bash at your somewhat frail hp. Wheras an axe build could flame, poison, bash or whatever and a zerk crit would smash past their charm and floor them. In a situation where fists could outspeed an opponents charm, it's more than likely an axe build would out-zerk the same opponent.

On top of that, in mass pvp fist's don't really shine at all compared to axes which are practically build for smashing multiple opponents.

Don't get me wrong, fists are amazing and built correctly and used by a skilled player they can be lethal, but axes simply have more potential in the pvp field.

I used to agree with your viewpoint, but fists are actually good for 1v1 PvP at higher levels. The fact is that fists with -interval gear can get to ridiculously high attack speeds. So when you're doing 500 damage per normal hit to HA at 2.5 atk/s it's highly possible to kill someone during charm cooldown. Of course mass pvp fists are much much worse

axe aoes are slow, as well as moderate damage. I don't see axes killing anything souly by themselves. it's a support weapon, not a killer. the only purpose is to hold someone still while someone else kills for you.

Zerk fist would get you killed in pvp

%5 hp for every zerk tick . i dont think you would want to costantly lose %5 while your oponent it hammering your ****

prof wrote: »

I love this forum. ****-rific.

fist are, by far, the best 1v1 weapon imaginable for warriors. give your opponent more than 6k hp, axe users wont even be able to get them to half when their hiero cools down. no axe user has ever killed any of my characters(unless I was low level in the hidden tomb. newgen always pk low levels there ). the only weapon path that has actually hurt me is fist, and a smart spear user I met in tw one time(cv gold spear and hh99 spear. **** debuffed me).

and, please, fist users "frail hp"? why, because poor people have base con because they can't afford refines? I have +4 hh90 green and over 6k base hp, how is that low? give me defense buffs and I seemingly live forever.

1v1 = cyclone kick -> switch to spear -> debuff any obscure buffs with normal attacks.

- only skills from spear you should be using is the range skill(if they run and low on hp), the push skill(if you have dark in a crowd situation. stuns) and the doom(if you have dark). in other words, don't use spears unless you have dark skills for it(and the proper weapons, like the cv gold spear, hh100 spear and hh99 debuff spear). the skills are weak at level 10.

> switch back to fist, cyclone kick > roar > punch > axes, drake, fist. if they didn't die from that, cyclone kick and try again. if they tank you straight out, use thruster bash(fist doom. don't know pwi name) from half hp alone with cyclone kick. they'll die. if it's a warrior and he wont stop stunning you, striding stroll(anti-movement debuff run skill). no other warrior is going to kill you, if you can't kill him just fury. if he uses alter marrow, make some element pills. thruster already adds 100% of your patk in fire damage(135% dark), so their marrow only makes you hit harder.

if you can't tank their damage, learn to use your 2 jump skills.

I didn't mention swords in that 1v1 because I just really don't find a use for them. I have found myself playing with them because the 49 skill looks cool, and it lowers dodge(good for archers, I suppose). but other than that, the doom isn't useful when I want to be killing things. the only time I use myriad is in gv on heavy pileups.

I am an average BM and I have 13.4k hp after buffed. I have most of the weapon you described above such as lunar spear(+5), monarch spear(+6), and GX(+9). I have to accept the fact that demon is a better choice for pvp however I find heaven to be pretty good in pvp too.. I think with HF I can 2 hits (HF with sage farstrike and TS/one more phy move) a 6-7k hp BM, archer, wiz, veno, and even a barb.. Forgive me i don;t treat a fist BM as a potential threat because I can kill them fairly easy. With HF I can hit a lvl96 archer 9.4k with spear skill..Imagine if i have a +9/+10 spear I can prolly do 10k++. In Delta my max dmg to one of the bosses is 120k+.

AshWorth - Sanctuary wrote: »

The problem with zerk fist is due to the effect itself. As you know fist BM has low HP your dmg to your enemy(melee) with zerk is prolly the same as the dmg you received from the effect. My base dmg to any 90+ BM is about 800-1.1k. If you have 6k base hp there is a chance that I can kill you with just one cri zerk assuming you lose too much hp from the zerk effect and my melee skills .. Imagine that if the fist BM has 9k hp fully buffed I will first purge him with the debuff spear, and kill him with extreme poison after stun. Worst case just use HF, TS, spear skills.. Bottomline hp is cucial for survival.. You can't kill if you are dead..

I am pretty damn sure I said in my above post that I didn't think this was some sort of super cool awesome better than axe strategy, and that I just wanted to play with it.

Back when relentless courage WASN'T nerfed, I could stun arcanes, tick their charm, and kill them before the stun wore off. With fists. I do admit though the lack of spike damage makes it difficult to kill Barbs and BMs.

AshWorth - Sanctuary wrote: »

I am an average BM and I have 13.4k hp after buffed. I have most of the weapon you described above such as lunar spear(+5), monarch spear(+6), and GX(+9).

Oh yeah, you are just our average BM alright. >_>

To OP, best weapon in TW=PvP=PVE= Ancient Arbor.