Sage or Demon Archer?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos

Defys this thread in one....

its simple
demon= increased attack speed and attack power
sage= increased def and attack power
if you want to live longer for TW and such go for Sage
if you want to kill alot in PK go for demon

Do what makes you happy and dont listen to others. They are both great and they both have weaknesses and strengths. Only advice I'm going to give you is, Go Heaven if your endgame is between the levels of 89-92, and go Hell if your endgame is between 92-100.

Don't do the culti, that's what real archers do.

sage archer is nice and durable. i use one, i kill like 15-20 similar lvl ppl per 1 death in tw. that includes all classes and builds. sage take aim is 500% wpn damage, no chi required. and 19% of the time, their charm doesnt even tick, they just die. sage metal attacks are equally brutal to demon ones, and devastating to heavy targets.. so really you either pick crit+ or range+ from books. sage range+ is nice when ur downing archers and venos in tw that are still coming at you to attack. especially linked with a xbow like windcatcher with extra range anyway.

lesson here: sage is durable and adds dmg. demon is balls to the wall 100% dmg, fun if you like huge crits, and getting ressed instead of being integral to your quest parties, or surviving in tw.

example 2: deltaskys! you come on heavens tear and peep his sage build at lvl 100, it's savage, i back him in tw, he crushes other higher demon archers, whereas im pretty even with those my level (i more durable they more damage, cancells out to a boring archer fight). demon archers are mostly crit-spazzes but i say, if 25% crit wont make you a strong surviving fighter, 30% probably wont either. by this point in the game, id say its much more important to be both strong and durable. im sure ill get mad haters but whatever i dont follow up, i barely view forums;) hope u learned something original poster

Voxstellarum - Heavens Tear wrote: »

sage archer is nice and durable. i use one, i kill like 15-20 similar lvl ppl per 1 death in tw. that includes all classes and builds. sage take aim is 500% wpn damage, no chi required. and 19% of the time, their charm doesnt even tick, they just die. sage metal attacks are equally brutal to demon ones, and devastating to heavy targets.. so really you either pick crit+ or range+ from books. sage range+ is nice when ur downing archers and venos in tw that are still coming at you to attack. especially linked with a xbow like windcatcher with extra range anyway.

lesson here: sage is durable and adds dmg. demon is balls to the wall 100% dmg, fun if you like huge crits, and getting ressed instead of being integral to your quest parties, or surviving in tw.

example 2: deltaskys! you come on heavens tear and peep his sage build at lvl 100, it's savage, i back him in tw, he crushes other higher demon archers, whereas im pretty even with those my level (i more durable they more damage, cancells out to a boring archer fight). demon archers are mostly crit-spazzes but i say, if 25% crit wont make you a strong surviving fighter, 30% probably wont either. by this point in the game, id say its much more important to be both strong and durable. im sure ill get mad haters but whatever i dont follow up, i barely view forums;) hope u learned something original poster

Most of those "Sage" Kills arent really your kills - exspecially in a TW.



I've crushed several "Sage" archers my level and higher - so what? Archer on Archer fights are meaningless because its all about who is lucky enough to critical and hit. The point is when we talk about other classes - particularily ones with high HP and charms.



A sage archer despite what people are posting here - arent anymore durable than a Demon archer. What makes an archer durable are the refines and shards in their armor - not their cultivation. Dont kid yourself into believing Sage has vastly more survivability than a Demon Archer.



A demon archer on the other hand doesn't neccessarily deal more damage unless they critical. But since the critical improving skills actually work demons do vastly outpower their sage counterparts.




Again... Sage doesn't even grant you 10% more survivability than a Demon archer. As an archer... Survivability is how much you can afford to spend on your gear.

I'm confused. How is sage more durable? Do you all of a sudden get a permanent damage reduction buff? Sage is only better for gaining chi and having higher damage for less crit. True, more chi = more wings of grace and wing shell but wing shell being terrible and wings of grace being 1 fury you won't be able to spam that skill. A take aim crit really should never 1 shot someone with full hp if they are buffed and have no status effects. In tw i'd much prefer an almost permanent 30% attack speed increase and 12% crit over taking 1 more attack. It's all preference even though a large majority agree that demon is superior. We easily have the weakest defenses endgame and that's because to kill anything we have to make that sacrifice to be able to have reasonable damage. Having less than terrible defense doesn't make up for the laughable damage. You can +12 your weapon all you want but just remember a demon archer with the same weapon attacks 30% faster and has a 12% better chance to crit, a 10% better chance to hit and a 10% better chance to evade.

Just remember the sage chi-gain advantage becomes a moot point at 100 when archers can get Awaken.

5 seconds after you login you have 400 chi and you can start every battle with full chi and 4 sparks in reserve. The chi problem just goes away.

Pulling off demon sparked demon barrage every 15 mins is pretty funny. b:chuckle

Fuhjeebies - Harshlands wrote: »

<--- going sage will not change my mind

sage to me in my opinion means:
more chance to gain chi = more sparks or even constant sparks with insta spark celepills (the first spark x3 plus sage chi building = perma spark?)

i spam skills i very rarely regular attack anything even mobs so sage i think may be better from a nice xbow ^^

i have enough crit% already to crit 2 out of every 8 (skilled) shots thats enough for me and it will still rise cus i am almost pure dex

i think its more on your play style then about picking the more OP culti tbh

but yeh i can see how sage archer have a lil better durability if they canbuild up to the 10% hp return from a double spark that just goes without saying lol

but w/e they both have benefits but i'm going sage xbow skill spammin' chi monster ^^

you aren't even 80 yet. people have said the exact same things you have said and have regretted every single point once they reached that culti.

For Example:
Bow Masery Lvl 10
dmg +60%

demon:
dmg +60% and crit+1

sage:
dmg+90%

ah and the lvl 100 skill has NO sage or demon

and i agree with that: first get lvl 89. I know im just a lvl 65 archer, but I thought about it and i'll choose sage.

LordRaptor

PS: http://ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php
look here

LordRaptor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

For Example:
Bow Masery Lvl 10
dmg +60%

demon:
dmg +60% and crit+1

sage:
dmg+90%

ah and the lvl 100 skill has NO sage or demon

and i agree with that: first get lvl 89. I know im just a lvl 65 archer, but I thought about it and i'll choose sage.

LordRaptor

PS: http://ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php
look here

Unless you know the damage formula don't look too much into this. The actual effect is that sage has about 3% more damage than demon while demon has 1% more crit.

EDIT: Legerity beat me to it. And the -18% hp debuff and spark skill both adress skills that sage has and demon lacks.

LordRaptor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Astrelle and Legerity
are u sage or demon?

We're both Demon.

LordRaptor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

say me some hard reasons , pro demon and contra sage pls. on HT, the bests archer are sage!

I am curious. Who?

I saw MUCH high lvl archer (above lvl 95) which where sage, and they don't regret that. Thats why i ask!

LordRaptor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I saw MUCH high lvl archer (above lvl 95) which where sage, and they don't regret that. Thats why i ask!

there is 4 100+ sage archers on ht that i know of. and i don't think you talked to any of them.