Sage or Demon Archer?!

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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Incarnata - Harshlands wrote: »
    Sure, and 30% faster does not matter when he is frozen out of range and maybe sealed.

    But, you are totally correct: if a Sage archer competes with a Demon archer on the Demon archer's strengths and the Sage archer's weaknesses, the Demon archer will almost always win.

    Would you kindly list the sage cultivations strengths? If you look at an archer's strengths and weaknesses in pvp you would see that sage doesn't compensate for the terrible design this class got. Neither does demon. The only difference between the two is that demon actually gives archers at endgame somewhat of a chance to be a factor in pvp. Almost every 'strength' with sage is usually irrelevant to the basis of archer pvp. They are so situational compared to all around improvement with demon. You say 'frozen out of range and maybe sealed' like you have double range or something. I don't know how you pvp but most people don't acknowledge each other from afar, confirm the fight and head towards each other head on. Two meters is almost completely irrelevant to pvp and I'd much prefer more crit and another 10% accuracy.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    On sanctuary there are 10 100+ archers, 3 sage and 7 demon.

    The main reason I went demon is that I find the skills more interesting.
    Something that I notice is that sage skills tend to be better versions of normal skills while demon adds some cool secondary effect.

    Quickshot, stunning arrow, sharptooth, wingspan, all have cool secondary effects. While sage gets you more chi, you have nothing good to spend that chi on! Demon has the better spark. Demon has the better barrage. They have about the same aim low, same wings of grace. Sage has a better frost arrow, blazing, and take aim but after that I didn't see anything exciting.

    Ohh and to be clear if you factor in both sage mastery + sage winged blessing + sage blazing arrow versus demon mastery + demon blazing + demon winged blessing. Sage gives you 5% more damage versus demon 2% more crit.
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  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Incarnata - Harshlands wrote: »
    Sure, and 30% faster does not matter when he is frozen out of range and maybe sealed.

    But, you are totally correct: if a Sage archer competes with a Demon archer on the Demon archer's strengths and the Sage archer's weaknesses, the Demon archer will almost always win.

    Why do people keep dwelling on the fact that the extra 2metre range will make a difference? The extra 2m range is very situational to make use of. It's almost like you trying to Aim Low a wizard to prevent being hit by their spells. =/
  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why do people keep dwelling on the fact that the extra 2metre range will make a difference? The extra 2m range is very situational to make use of. It's almost like you trying to Aim Low a wizard to prevent being hit by their spells. =/

    ... The amount of times that I've Aim Lowed a magic mob only to have it stand there and hit me like nothing happened is countless.
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Demon is kinda superior in pvp, specially 1v1 fights. I would almost go as far as saying sage is gimped/nerfed compared to demon for any form of pvp beside TW (and im sage myself).

    Learning bow mastery, which is supposedly the biggest reason for going sage, i gained about 800-900 more phy attack. A demon archer same refines and build as me got about 500 more attack +1 crit. Its really not a very big difference. Im sure with a +12 weapon it would be a bigger dmg increase for a sage, but not enough to make sage in any way half as decent as demon skillwise.

    Its just so easy for demons to pvp. When i play demon archer i just pop stun arrow/or ST - get 10% extra crit - use quickshoot and get 30% attack speed - target is dead if it procs.

    But sage archer doesn't have any skills at all that adds any useful selfbuffs for pvp - and the extra 2 metres range is a joke in comparison when you lack both attack speed and crits to boost the auto shoots.

    Ppl also say that sage has a higher survivability compared to demon + better against heavy users - which also is kinda bs.
    Just look at demon wingspan, you can fight any mele class and have a constant lvl 5 winged shell casted on you. Lightning strike doesn't miss, shock has a chance of paralyzing and blaster adds more dmg...sage just sucks compared to that.

    I do prefer playing sage archer in TW, you can re open barrage pretty fast after you get stunned since you have this endless supply of chi - chi pots tend to be on cooldown all the time in TW. And you always have chi for metal skills and aim low.

    But i would not recommend any lvl 89 archer to go sage unless they only wanna pve/TW.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ... The amount of times that I've Aim Lowed a magic mob only to have it stand there and hit me like nothing happened is countless.

    because once a mob moves into its casting range, having 2 more maximum range somehow stops it from casting when you cast aim low

    cast freeze after knockback, or start with freeze...
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  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ... The amount of times that I've Aim Lowed a magic mob only to have it stand there and hit me like nothing happened is countless.

    And I suppose the extra 2m range will prevent that from happening? I think not.
  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    because once a mob moves into its casting range, having 2 more maximum range somehow stops it from casting when you cast aim low

    cast freeze after knockback, or start with freeze...
    Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »
    And I suppose the extra 2m range will prevent that from happening? I think not.

    Ah, but I wasn't making a statement for pro-Sage.

    However, having 2 meters more range could make it so that Aim Low would restrict them just outside of their range. But this is, of course, rare and not something to depend on. And no, talking about Aim Lowing melee-range opponents is pointless, more range doesn't help in anything but making them take a whopping 0.13 seconds more to get in range.

    And yes, as has been said, the attack rate boost from Quickshot and the +crit% from Sharpened Tooth Arrow or Stunning Arrow make for a scary combo.
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  • Luciferi - Lost City
    Luciferi - Lost City Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    to make matters simply, its how u want to play. lets just assume everyone wants to be at lvl 100 eventually. if you do more pve, go sage, skills are more usefull there. if you want to pvp, demon is better. thats saying if we dont account the gear. of course, we can make both sage and demon very godly if we had godly gears. side note, not having to do with anything *dreaming* imagine an archer with 24 Primeval Stones in his/her armors b:dirty
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    actually let's bring to light the fact that meditators who choose the sage path forgos all desire, while those who choose the demon path embraces it --> sage are like dead wood in bed b:chuckle
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  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Incarnata - Harshlands wrote: »
    Perhaps you typically can not survive long enough to make combinations matter?

    If I was sage I wouldn't last any longer...

    no pun intended on quilue's joke either b:victory
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Incarnata - Harshlands wrote: »
    Perhaps you typically can not survive long enough to make combinations matter?

    Or perhaps the opponent is killed quickly enough to not need any intricate combo and wasting time on a single opponent before moving on to another?
  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    b:chuckle The only use for the extra +2 meter... is gettin out of range of a boss aoe n survive.. someone try it on belial!! Go go go ~ lol

    But seriously Survival n whos better doesnt really on skills but how ya play it..

    Sage it is more PVE related n Demon is more PVP...

    Lily explained it good.. actually one of the reasons.. that i became demon, its cus of her explanation.
    The only gud thing of been Sage is that the spark.. is not so atractive as demon.. so u wont get stun sleep alot xD

    The extra chi.. it can always be replaced wit spamin wings of grace/chi pots/embrace/hitttin npc/flyin on air n hit a psy mob
    But most demon add effects are really killers.. IF ya knoe a Demon n Sage archer ask them to duel.. I knoe its not PVP biased.. but once Demon stun ya n quickshot.. ur dead
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