Don't become a cleric if you don't like abuse

Darkette - Sanctuary wrote: »

Under the heading of ya gotta love it: You ask the squad to gather up for buffs; they don't. After each melee the members scatter and take off for the next mob. You say, "rebuff." They ignore you. All the while, you're draining your charm spam healing the tank and tossing quick heals on other squad members, trying to heal them before the next skirmish while they grab all the drops, and run off. Finally, you come to the boss, everyone accidentally congregates, you throw a quick buff, and some dipstick has the unmitigated gall to comment: "At last, the cleric buffs."

And one other gripe while I'm venting: I don't mind resurrecting other players, even though it impedes already slow grinding sessions, but for gawd's sake, when you ask for a rez, will you PLEASE tell us where you are. Oh, yeah, and after we've wasted 5 minutes looking for your dumb azz because you didn't mention the little fact that you were in the air, a "thank you" would be nice.

Sorry for the rant.

Dark

So whats new xD?

Darkette - Sanctuary wrote: »

Under the heading of ya gotta love it: You ask the squad to gather up for buffs; they don't. After each melee the members scatter and take off for the next mob. You say, "rebuff." They ignore you. All the while, you're draining your charm spam healing the tank and tossing quick heals on other squad members, trying to heal them before the next skirmish while they grab all the drops, and run off. Finally, you come to the boss, everyone accidentally congregates, you throw a quick buff, and some dipstick has the unmitigated gall to comment: "At last, the cleric buffs."

And one other gripe while I'm venting: I don't mind resurrecting other players, even though it impedes already slow grinding sessions, but for gawd's sake, when you ask for a rez, will you PLEASE tell us where you are. Oh, yeah, and after we've wasted 5 minutes looking for your dumb azz because you didn't mention the little fact that you were in the air, a "thank you" would be nice.

Sorry for the rant.

Dark

hahahahaha, So true, I know your pain.

Darkette - Sanctuary wrote: »

Under the heading of ya gotta love it: You ask the squad to gather up for buffs; they don't. After each melee the members scatter and take off for the next mob. You say, "rebuff." They ignore you. All the while, you're draining your charm spam healing the tank and tossing quick heals on other squad members, trying to heal them before the next skirmish while they grab all the drops, and run off. Finally, you come to the boss, everyone accidentally congregates, you throw a quick buff, and some dipstick has the unmitigated gall to comment: "At last, the cleric buffs."

Happened to me twice. Both times I explained that I had been asking them to stop. One time, the person who griped apologized nicely. The second time, I was informed that they shouldn't have to wait for me to buff. Take a wild guess which one of those two times resulted in me leaving them stranded at the boss and going about my business?

I usually jump in ahead as melee on my alt, but thats cause i got a jiaozi from jollyjones event to cover me XD

I've been known to just leave if stuff gets like that :P I'm the cleric, they NEED me, if they treat me like dirt, I leave.

Trust me, when you threaten to leave, they listen xD Their life is in your hands >_> you don't have to heal them if you don't want to. b:chuckle Don't disrespect the cleric, I'll let the boss have them.

Who needs a venomancer pet??

I'm a cleric, I demand respect :P

+1

I got another one for you;

"Doh, I established aggro, now I'll park my **** here and mash buttons, doh doh doh. Nevermind the cleric who's healing me, he/she can be within aoe range for all I care. Uuh, It's too much work for me running through the boss and turn around for max distance. He/she better adjust and at the same time keep me and everyone else alive."

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

This probably happens in every game with healer classes.

Oh, it does.

ah clerics ... the biggest problem is even though this is a much needed class (more important than barb's in some cases) people just don't care about clerics .. whereas tank's get all the pampering .. an example

When cleric's do TT's they usually make sure they are fully charmed, repaired and carry atleast one rez scroll on them (1 rez scroll = 50k) and if rich a few GA's. So the barb doesnt take aggro for whatever reason .. the DD's are not assisting attack and hence don't pull aggro in time so the cleric is the logical choice for the boss. Cleric's instinct is always to heal the person about to die.. hence pull aggro and guess what cleric gets owned. Since its the start of the TT cleric goes to town, that is one GA = +30K (if not carrying a GA then loss of EXP). Next boss further in, same story, cleric this time uses a scroll. Squad saved, each member loses say 0.2 - 0.4% exp and you hear them saying "omg im doomed i lost exp".. cleric naturally thinks WTHb:angry ... anyho ...TT ends and banker etc worries about the barb's repair costs .. fair enough .. but what about the cleric who probably just spent 100k in saving/rezin your azzes?

I am done with my rant ...

Now that I mention TT .. squad members should always be equally compensated, if barb needs repairs, archers need ammo and veno's need loyalty for their pets (that often die when trying to lure), the good ol clerics need mana lots of it

peace out b:surrender

P.S no offence, in any way, intended for tank's (or any other class) - clerics love em and they love clerics ... lol yin&yang so dependent on each other b:chuckle

I don't get what are all the alleged accusation against the public who treat the cleric badly about. I usually heard people looking for cleric on WC even offer payment for GA and scroll used, up to 5. Perhap you get 1 bad example of these people and generalize that everyone treat cleric badly?

lol were practicly gods we control if they live or die so they should obey us XD my only problem is when ppl don't and I let them die, I got a lvl 10 res so they lose almost nothing and if they still don't listen after that I just tell them to have fun using pots

AngelOfLust - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol were practicly gods we control if they live or die so they should obey us XD my only problem is when ppl don't and I let them die, I got a lvl 10 res so they lose almost nothing and if they still don't listen after that I just tell them to have fun using pots

b:chuckle Evil, i like it

Personally, I like it when people scream "HEAL" when they pull aggro from the tank. Or "REZ" when they die. Do they honestly think we won't do those things unless they tell us?

Cleric is the only job where everyone else in the party thinks they know how to do your job better than you.

Seriously, do you every hear anyone shout "TANK" to the barb or "Do Damage" to the wizard?

Jeridian - Sanctuary wrote: »

+1

I got another one for you;

"Doh, I established aggro, now I'll park my **** here and mash buttons, doh doh doh. Nevermind the cleric who's healing me, he/she can be within aoe range for all I care. Uuh, It's too much work for me running through the boss and turn around for max distance. He/she better adjust and at the same time keep me and everyone else alive."

Haha, don't we know it all too well.

Just let their charm tick a few times, at which point they're gonna beg for heals and QQ about their charm ticking, at which point rub into their faces that your mp charm is ticking constantly in order to prevent their hp from a single tick.
Now, if they can't be arsed to turn around in order to get you out of the physical aoe and thus saving your hp charm, I sure as hell can't be arsed to help out theirs either. Simply don't heal if they refuse to turn around. Leaves them with two, rather simple options. Either move, or die. Both have been known to happen, you win either way b:victory

Needless to say, the above goes for the avoidable physical aoes, like the ones in fb69 for instance. If the aoe is simply too big where healing from a max distance doesn't help (like the final rebirth boss), it's a moot point and you should just get bb up

ilystah wrote: »

Well if they scream it is easier job for cleric rather than have to keep track of everyone in that little squad window. Cleric have a lot of different task they can do so it make sense they trying to tell cleric to do something. While tank and do damage are pretty much the only thing barb and wizard can do so there is not a need to shout. But they do shout "ADD" to the tank or "RUN" to the wizard though.

No, it's actually more difficult when they try to tell you what to do.
Because it's distracting. If everyone in the squad shouts heal when they need it or rez when they die and you are busy trying to keep the rest of the squad from wiping, it doesn't help.

Usually YOU are the one that has visibility into what the entire group is doing, while everyone else (just like you said) is generally focused on themselves. So when other people tell you to do stuff, they are not necessarily doing it with the whole party's interest in mind.
If you are a cleric and you don't know exactly who needs to be healed at any given time, then I'm sorry but you're not a very good cleric.

The point is, if you just spent the last 70 or 80 levels healing squads, maybe, just maybe, you know who needs to be healed better than a wiz who doesn't know how not to draw aggro?

I had a barb that didn't listen to a thing I said for healer aggro. This is after I got fed up with dieing in FBs from clueless players giving me 3+ aggro mobs each time I tried to save them. First they beat the lesson that I will die if I let them grab adds without getting aggro if I heal them. So I retaught them my role was triage: if they don't get aggro of all their mobs, they don't get any more healign til they do. If they don't reposition as is needed, they don't get healed. If someone keeps grabbing aggro, and sparking still after repeated grabs, they don't get healed. The barb ignored me the first time, I took the hit. He ignored me the second time, he died without heals and did one of those WTF faces. Told him again, and he started to actually tank instead of act like a damage dealer.

In short, incompetent players will not be healed. Sure they may never want to group with me again. But just think about it, how is that not something worth celebrating? Good players will understand why you didn't heal, you are there to prevent party wipes first and foremost. One death is negligible to hours of play wasted in an instance, or a boss resetting his health. Next is heal the tank. Everyone else is a case of "if possible"