Most likely to b the third power

Chrisssss - Sanctuary · July 2009

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

In regards of rumors saying that Regicide was trying to "protect" Legendary, you're mistaken. Firstly that's fake bidding and is not welcome in our faction, it clearly violates the Terms of Service. We are highly competitive, but at the same time value our morals and reputation.

As for bidding on Legendary, our intentions have always been clear, "Restore the balances of power." There needs to be checks and balances applied to prevent either Nefarious or Legendary to swallow the entire map, and I can only acclaim that any legitimate faction are more than welcome to do as they like, we are not your enemy, just some fellow competitors. When one approach does not work, we looked for an alternative route. You've got to be flexible, when new components are introduced to TW, the only thing you can do is adjust to that accordingly.

I'm well aware attacking either Nefarious or Legendary may detriment our cause in balancing the powers. If one super power subsides and collapses, it leaves only one super power to seize everything, those are not our intentions. I'd only like to consolidate a position on the map, and establish a third factor in the checks and balances.

As far as communication goes, I have personally spoke with xAsch, Heleina/boynoxtduh, Milari, Akasera and Falls(prior leader of Nefarious) regarding my intentions. I'll admit I have not spoken to Recluse/Outlaw, one reason may be that I had not recognized them as viable TW factions until recently, but what I did do was speak with the factions that participated in TW regularly. In fact after leadership had changed in several factions, I heard very little from the new leadership. I do agree, far enough from the fact, that if there is a large enemy, you'll need to work together in order to defeat them. If there are two reigning guilds, then it's only natural that smaller guilds will obviously try to take them down. If you'd like to converse with me regarding TW, you're more than welcome to contact me, the best way to reach me is in-game.

Regicide does not have any alliances. We have been offered support from outside factions but have respectfully declined, we prefer to be self-reliant. Although we have attacked alongside Legendary, we were not allies, we just had a common goal.

In response to bidding, outbidding is common when multiple competitors desire something in common. So getting outbid should not be taken personally, after all competition exists everywhere. You could call us opportunists; we do like to wait until the last minute to analyze and construe our options. I'd actually prefer it if the server had the spark and competition it once had when the server opened.

Thats why I like ya as a leader man. Nicely said

Mothergoose - Sanctuary · July 2009

There are lots of Legendary lands that are not being bid on. There is no possible motive for a last minute surprise bid, other than to keep that faction out of TW. When this happens to the third or fouth strongest faction on the server, it raises questions.

TheDan - Sanctuary · July 2009

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

There are lots of Legendary lands that are not being bid on. There is no possible motive for a last minute surprise bid, other than to keep that faction out of TW. When this happens to the third or fouth strongest faction on the server, it raises questions.

That's true, there are plenty of lands to bid on; however, the way time slotting works for TW, only three factions may attack a faction together at any given time slot. The importance of attacking anywhere else on the map is negligible, we don't foresee us being able to take any of the two reigning guilds alone.

We do not intend to keep any faction out of TW, we just had a strategical interest in the land Recluse had bid on. We did not force you out of TW, you do have the ability to rebid if you're outbid. If we wanted a strong chance of consolidating a position on the map, we'd have to pair up with the attacks in that specific time slot.

There are many reasons why people wait to bid at the last minute. It gives you an ample representation of which factions attack together on certain days, and lets you acknowledge where your bid would fit your attack onto those given time slots.

Shinome - Sanctuary · July 2009

Destroy/bid on Legendary will just help Nefarious conquer the map easierb:shocked
1 color on the map if that is what u meant "balancing power"

Niteblade - Sanctuary · July 2009

Shinome - Sanctuary wrote: »

Destroy/bid on Legendary will just help Nefarious conquer the map easierb:shocked
1 color on the map if that is what u meant "balancing power"

destroy/bid on nef will still bring the same result: one-color map..

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary · July 2009

This argument is becoming redundant and stale.

It has been repeatedly reviewed over and dissected, from all angles, with the aformentioned end results.

Territory Wars are a competition. Those who are strongest survive. Those who rise to power consume those currently in power. In such a case where the map is split in two, factions MUST bid on one or the other in order to gain sufficient experience and knowledge for any hope in succeeding in gaining a territory or more.

Those who bid on one or the other really should NOT be scrutinized, or blamed that they 'dislike', 'hate' or have a vendetta against that particular faction. This subject is merely a source of bland discussion out of boredom and speculation, and should have been ended a long time ago.

TheDan - Sanctuary · July 2009

Destroying/wiping factions is not a stated goal at all lol. Besides, Nef/Leg didn't start on the server with 20+ lands each, they all started at ground 0, and had to take land from other factions which got them to that point.

If we get claim from Nef, doesn't mean we aren't able to attack Leg, or vice versa

Also I want to add, on the Heaven's Tear server, there are 5-6 different guilds equally powerful as Nef/Leg with only 8 lands or less lands. The amount of lands a faction has shouldn't affect the strength of the faction. It should be the personality and reputation of the faction that draws members in.

~Dan

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary · July 2009

Jesus Dan, your 97 already? your a machine...do you ever sleep? b:shocked

Kalza - Sanctuary · July 2009

TheDan - Sanctuary wrote: »

It should be the personality and reputation of the faction that draws members in.

~Dan

That sounds strangely true >_>

TheDan - Sanctuary · July 2009

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary wrote: »

Jesus Dan, your 97 already? your a machine...do you ever sleep? b:shocked

Sleep?... What is sleep? b:cute

Venomeow - Sanctuary · July 2009

Sleep is something Dan doesn't do with girls. b:chuckle

Bidding on lands by any faction is done in the interest of that faction. The leader/officers decide to bid so that they can benefit their own faction.

Random speculations and assumptions are not necessary. b:victory

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary · July 2009

The way things are going, I'll predict Legendary as the third power. Slots one and two will be occupied by Nef.

Venomeow - Sanctuary · July 2009

Honored, but I think 1 faction can only occupy 1 power o_O

And so far its Nefarious, Legendary, and ____<--up for discussion.

Lycanthar - Sanctuary · July 2009

Without question Regicide is far and away the most plausible contender for 3rd place on the server. Outlaw, Dreaming, Recluse, Validus, none of them even come close. The turning point on Sanctuary's TW map will come when 3 factions (that don't include either Legendary or Nefarious) can mount an attack on either of those dominant powers and be successful. It doesn't really count if you're just riding coattails. (cough Dreaming few weeks ago cough).

Of course this is speaking from a strictly numeric perspective - you can't quantify loyalty, love, hamsups or lulz. b:victory

TheDan - Sanctuary · July 2009

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary wrote: »

The way things are going, I'll predict Legendary as the third power. Slots one and two will be occupied by Nef.

Slot one Nef Slot two Eminence?

Venomeow - Sanctuary · July 2009

Makes no sense either way, as Legendary is already the other power.

-stalked dan-

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary · July 2009

Well, I really only meant that while Leg seems t be dealing with some transition issues, Nef is well on their way to having over twice as much of the map as Leg.

I had not thought about the possibilities of what Nef could do with a real sub-faction (whether that is what Eminence is or not, they could start such a thing). Given the track record of "loyalty" among TW players, if Nef suddenly had more room for members (and could coordinate membership across two or more factions) without running afoul of the fake bidding issues, they really could take up multiple slots.

Lycanthar, I disagree about the turning point. The real turning point will be when a third faction can expect to hold any land they gain. That means being able to defend with a high likelihood of the battle being 1-on-1 with one of the major powers. While that remains out of reach, I often wonder what all of the scheming to win land through favorable time slots is really supposed to accomplish. The morale boost of winning land is surely offset by the damage of losing it the next week in a more lopsided battle. I've seen how crushing it can be to go from "Yay, we are doing great." to "OMG, they wiped us out like a low level FB." The experience of learning how to fight may be the goal, but it seems like a clever leader would want to keep cranking up the expected competition, not trying to face the B- team every week. After all, the goal isn't to beat the B- team, it is to hold off the A team for 3 hours.

TheDan - Sanctuary · July 2009

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, I really only meant that while Leg seems t be dealing with some transition issues, Nef is well on their way to having over twice as much of the map as Leg.

I had not thought about the possibilities of what Nef could do with a real sub-faction (whether that is what Eminence is or not, they could start such a thing). Given the track record of "loyalty" among TW players, if Nef suddenly had more room for members (and could coordinate membership across two or more factions) without running afoul of the fake bidding issues, they really could take up multiple slots.

Lycanthar, I disagree about the turning point. The real turning point will be when a third faction can expect to hold any land they gain. That means being able to defend with a high likelihood of the battle being 1-on-1 with one of the major powers. While that remains out of reach, I often wonder what all of the scheming to win land through favorable time slots is really supposed to accomplish. The morale boost of winning land is surely offset by the damage of losing it the next week in a more lopsided battle. I've seen how crushing it can be to go from "Yay, we are doing great." to "OMG, they wiped us out like a low level FB." The experience of learning how to fight may be the goal, but it seems like a clever leader would want to keep cranking up the expected competition, not trying to face the B- team every week. After all, the goal isn't to beat the B- team, it is to hold off the A team for 3 hours.

Or quite the contrary, the winning of land offsets the prior losses, and from there put out more firepower each week until it's plausible to reach the goal of beating the A team.

Obviously if you can't beat the B- Team you're not going to beat the A team. Take it one step at a time... the fundamental goal is to beat the B- Team and get stronger, and eventually beat the A team. Powers won't emerge out of no where and miraculously beat the A team without a sweat, it takes time, effort, and organization to reach the top.

~Dan

Lycanthar - Sanctuary · July 2009

Couldn't agree more. Y'all would do well to listen when TheDan talks about TW.

The turning point I was describing has 3 strong factions coordinating attacks on either Nefarious of Legendary each week, with at least 1 of those 3 factions taking land every single week. It doesn't matter if the they lose that land the very next week if they're taking a new one anyway. If that were possible, I think it would encourage more and more competitors to enter the arena and break this months old tedium that is Sanctuary TW.

Venomeow - Sanctuary · July 2009

Lycanthar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. Y'all would do well to listen when TheDan talks about TW.

The turning point I was describing has 3 strong factions coordinating attacks on either Nefarious of Legendary each week, with at least 1 of those 3 factions taking land every single week. It doesn't matter if the they lose that land the very next week if they're taking a new one anyway. If that were possible, I think it would encourage more and more competitors to enter the arena and break this months old tedium that is Sanctuary TW.

-points at Dreaming- They got land yeah?

200mil maxbidbomb. No more land. 3 strong factions, even with 1 winning land, will be hard to put up a fight with a superpower the following week that's more than happy to dump 200 mil for free land.

RisenPhoenix - Sanctuary · July 2009

Venomeow - Sanctuary wrote: »

-points at Dreaming- They got land yeah?

200mil maxbidbomb. No more land. 3 strong factions, even with 1 winning land, will be hard to put up a fight with a superpower the following week that's more than happy to dump 200 mil for free land.

lawl

/10char

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2009

Venomeow - Sanctuary wrote: »

-points at Dreaming- They got land yeah?

200mil maxbidbomb. No more land. 3 strong factions, even with 1 winning land, will be hard to put up a fight with a superpower the following week that's more than happy to dump 200 mil for free land.

Technically nef just gave up on the land dreaming got to fight LG so we cant say dreaming got it out of "sheer skill and hard work". But in the case that they or any other faction actually did, and even if the bigger fac dumped 200M on them the following week, that would cause some kind of growing movement.

If say by chance it wasnt Dreaming, but Regi that got that 1 land back then, it might have actually started something due to their on going actions and history for the past few months in TW, regardless of whether the land might have been a 'given sacrifice'

HolyInferno - Sanctuary · July 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Technically nef just gave up on the land dreaming got to fight LG

Wrong. Get your facts straight.b:cute

Venomeow - Sanctuary · July 2009

Agree ^

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

If say by chance it wasnt Dreaming, but Regi that got that 1 land back then, it might have actually started something due to their on going actions and history for the past few months in TW, regardless of whether the land might have been a 'given sacrifice'

Also wrong, would not survive a 200mil bidbomb which would present most likely a 1v1 situation. b:cute

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2009

HolyInferno - Sanctuary wrote: »

Wrong. Get your facts straight.b:cute

or someone else i forgot already. Dont post if all your trying to attain is stamping down on others post, and not offering facts that you quoted said to be wrong. If i did that ill be have more than 1000posts a day. All i remember is dreaming saying they saw 15or so nefs and like a veno pulling the hay filled cart lol.........man i cant remember

Venomeow - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also wrong, would not survive a 200mil bidbomb which would present most likely a 1v1 situation. b:cute

good lord blind person read my post more carefully before you embarrass yourself. You dont have to explode a lake to cause a ripple in the water.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Technically nef just gave up on the land dreaming got to fight LG so we cant say dreaming got it out of "sheer skill and hard work". But in the case that they or any other faction actually did, and even if the bigger fac dumped 200M on them the following week,(and for the simple minds, this means their gonna loose most likely, its more the psychology than the actual win/loss gain) that would cause some kind of growing movement.

If say by chance it wasnt Dreaming, but Regi that got that 1 land back then, it might have actually started something due to their on going actions and history for the past few months in TW, regardless of whether the land might have been a 'given sacrifice'

Venomeow - Sanctuary · July 2009

1. Don't accuse Holy of stamping, we were both in Nef when it happened. The reason for not presenting facts to back it up is a matter of loyalty and keeping the facts where they belong.

2. Excuse me? Trying to start a flame war? My point was that if a faction somehow got land, Dreaming or other, they would be max bidded, and lose that land. The so said psychology that would bring is just a bunch of random factions trying to get land for a week, which is not really a cause for a growing movement.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2009

Venomeow - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. Don't accuse Holy of stamping, we were both in Nef when it happened. The reason for not presenting facts to back it up is a matter of loyalty and keeping the facts where they belong.

Then why do you expect unpresented facts to be straightened out by another person out of the faction, if the facts are kept disclosed?

2. Excuse me? Trying to start a flame war?(how your trying to twist this into a flame war is beyond my logic...) My point was that if a faction somehow got land, Dreaming or other, they would be max bidded, and lose that land. The so said psychology that would bring is just a bunch of random factions trying to get land for a week, which is not really a cause for a growing movement.

I would completely agree with you on this if this were other menial factions. But. I will have to assume you dont have much TW history for the last past 6-7 months because you dont seem to understand why I used Regicide as a specific example...

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

If say by chance it wasnt Dreaming, but Regi that got that 1 land back then, it might have actually started something due to their on going actions and history for the past few months in TW, regardless of whether the land might have been a 'given sacrifice'

With that said, chill out, you sound like youd jump an old woman for sneezing on you.

Kalza - Sanctuary · July 2009

Venomeow - Sanctuary wrote: »

The so said psychology that would bring is just a bunch of random factions trying to get land for a week, which is not really a cause for a growing movement.

rofl,Venoman b:chuckle

Saveless - Harshlands · July 2009

Bring back Seppuku. Lolololololololololololololol.

satown · July 2009

All i know is that there is gonna be no change of any sort for a while we all know this but wat can u do but sit back relax and try and pick a favorite color red or orange so the map can be more pleasing to the eye

Most likely to b the third power

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