Archer V BM

Thc - Harshlands wrote: »

BM with misties + magic marrow = no chance

and errr cleric + bm is the only weakness of archers.
who said EA> clerics?

LA might be easy, but robe+ plume shell = no chance basicly

a good cleric that knows what he is doing as robe atleast.. seal+debuff+genie amp+dual spark+wield thunder = kkthxbb

ya venos and wizards are cake, but wizards get harder at the higher levels..

tho i think archer is the best pvp class, especially in TW.

Didn't you recently make a post about how hard it is to kill certain classes and how you were questioning the class? Jw how you change your opinion from post to post.. If you say BM's are easy in this post yet say they're hard in another, it leads to confusion for those of us who are trying to decide whether they should switch from a BM to archer. BM's in my opinion can get ninja'd by any ranged class with the upper hand, but if they attack an archer to stay on subject, you've got half damage and they've got stun locks (assuming the BM is axe because thats about all that is useful against a ranged class when they kite>stun>metal atk). I'm just trying to understand, please dont think I'm disagreeing, more confused than anything.

Ohhh, my bad b:shutup

Then again, I dueled my friend the other day (yes I know duels aren't the same) and I could barely hit him. The first duel I won because he didn't kite, the second one he won. My stuns kept missing, and I only have two so it's not like I used them too often..had to regen.

Prediction - Lost City wrote: »

if bm uses alter marrow magic get some range, use stun or aim low, then go deadly shot or take aim on him/her

How long is the stun for because I thought take aim was fail for pking due to the long casting time. You read guides..where one says a skill fails another praises it to fame. It's all so confusing.

Organism - Lost City wrote: »

Ohhh, my bad b:shutup

Then again, I dueled my friend the other day (yes I know duels aren't the same) and I could barely hit him. The first duel I won because he didn't kite, the second one he won. My stuns kept missing, and I only have two so it's not like I used them too often..had to regen.

Well obviously you were following some whackjob 3 str 2 vit with a little dex for weapon reqs. if you couldnt hit an archer :P the misty rings add 50% of your aim to your current aim, so if your aim is 500 youlll goto 750 which doesnt help that much against an archer who has 1-2k evasion :P i suggest you **** what the other guides say about vit if your in a pvp server and go with 3 str 2 dex every lvl(you can either load your armor with hp or m def stones seeing as your pdef will remain high). My reason for reccomending 3 str 2 dex every lvl is because by the time archers land one skill theyll be on the floor (aim ftw) barbs and other str/vit bms cant hit you :P, mages and venos will drop like flies due to your aoes (btw this build can accomodate all the weapons so go wild). Also if your a smart player you can max out your sutras to nulllify magic and physical (btw the effects can overlap eachother and only take around 30-60 secs to recharge). 'Nuff said b:shutup

slow down there tiger, you might hurt yourself.

Forp - Heavens Tear wrote: »

slow down there tiger, you might hurt yourself.

is that it ?
seriously ?

no "well, according to my calculations..." stuff, mr smarty ?

you just... admit defeat that easily ?

o.o

simple as that you admit you're wrong ?

o.O

is there a catch ?

Anyways.


IMO BM beats EA any day one on one if they can stunlock (don't know how=fail bm)
Its hard to even land 2 shots on the bm, if your lucky u can finish them in 3 shots including charm(If 2/3 of your metal skill are crits)

Archer's 3rd metal skill, Thunder Blast just takes way too long to channel and 2nd metal skill Thunder Shock basiclly eats up all your chi in a long fight. The archer may not die in 1 charm run but cannot kill the bm. Eventually, the bm gains enough chi to launch ultimate+thunder and bam ur dead. Or even better zerk-zerk crit-zerk, you are fked. Yes now I know Wings of Grace resists the BM 1 spark 6 sec stun, but because Thunder Shock which requires 30chi MUST be spammed, you have no left over chi for aim low, wing shield, wings of grace or spark eruption.

Now there is a way however, which is to triple spark and use a stun immu pot. But the BM can also launch a damage immu pot to wait till the stun immu is over. So its vice-versa.

This does not mean BM> Archer in actual pvp however. Archer can survive a few charm runs of BM damage, but if the BM is stuned or not stunning, he/she cannot stand a charm run of archer damage.
Zerk weaps and misty rings threw away the advantages archers had against melees.

archer=>

anybody...is..food
rams..anyclass..to..death
clerics..are.feed
heavey..armour..user...shocked..to..death
even..noobs..can..kill.....C..R..I..T..
Barbs..with..immense..def..and..hp..can..be..killed..but..remember..just..amlify..metel..damage..then..shock..them



well..so..be..optimistic..make..sure..none..are..in..the.half..damage..circle...

lol there are waaaaay too many variables in this game to sit and assume this **** lol

what if my genie gives u a 40% decrease in accuracy for 8 seconds?
what if my genie lowers yer move speed and 12% off yer p.def while i am at full range?
what if i have my chi bar full before the fight cus i was farming?
or use sickle tea leaf?(50 chi instantly)
lol u CANNOT generalise **** like this there are way too many different playstyles/builds/genies/skills

people who stereotype classes and stuff are closed minded imo

also the bm could be using lifepowder or something to regen hp hardcore

again i will say that there are too many variables in this game and all you highbies should have accounted for them before u speculate tbh

Ekans_daed - Sanctuary wrote: »

well...in my exp..i find that clerics n wiz are the easiest for an archer to kill...
i am lvl 64 but i can beat a lvl 70 cleric easily..
i can beat a BM of my lvl without any problem...but
venos of my lvl gets me once in every two fights..
n yea come to think of it...i have never pvped or dueled a barb..that'll be the 1st thing ill do now...
well i think..no i know archers are the best pvp classb:victory

You are under 70 and 79............................no berserk weapons or misty rings(50% accruracy) for your level BMs/Barbs, you can tank a melee your level.

DUELING IS NOT PK. There is NO charm in duel, you can beat BMs easily in duels as you can kite and eventually kill.

Fuhjeebies - Harshlands wrote: »

lol there are waaaaay too many variables in this game to sit and assume this **** lol

what if my genie gives u a 40% decrease in accuracy for 8 seconds?
what if my genie lowers yer move speed and 12% off yer p.def while i am at full range?
what if i have my chi bar full before the fight cus i was farming?
or use sickle tea leaf?(50 chi instantly)
lol u CANNOT generalise **** like this there are way too many different playstyles/builds/genies/skills

people who stereotype classes and stuff are closed minded imo

also the bm could be using lifepowder or something to regen hp hardcore

again i will say that there are too many variables in this game and all you highbies should have accounted for them before u speculate tbh

So lets consider all those genie options.

Accuracy genie skill-maybe if thats applied, you well not die during the period it is in effect. But what about after that, its not like with stuns you can kill the BM during that peroid. After effect is over, your genie is out of energy, wtf can you do now? Lets say you can maybe use it again, but all you can do is NOT DIE, you cannot kill when you are in stunlock. Even if you are NOT in stunlock, the lion roar stun(It doesnt miss....) is 6 second effect, it has cooldown of 15 seconds. In order to kill a bm with decent gear you will need a full 10 seconds and the time needed to tick his charm. Lets say you start your timer at 10 seconds, there is only 9 seconds that you are not stuned and the stun is in cooldown.

Archers have crits, which is about 25% at my level, okay so we deal alot of damage.BUT DO YOU KNOW WTF BERSERK IS? 20% chance of double damage, PLUS the crit the bm already has, which is another 5-10% or so. If a berserk-crit lands on you, you are almost dead...

Also did you know Thunderstorm genie skill does not miss? It hits me around 2k without buffs. Which is nearly half my hp. I cannot tank a melee player my level with similar gears.

"what if my genie lowers yer move speed and 12% off yer p.def while i am at full range?"--Rofl........................first of all, 12% isn't much...secondly...you use metal attacks not phy attacks against Heavy Armor.

One of the MAIN things that makes archers not amazing against Heavy Armors who have nice gears, is that archer magical attacks are not constant, after you spam all 3, there is a break where non of them are finished cooldown, which forces you to attack with phy attack which does **** on Heavy Armor. And by that time the 10-seconds of charm is up and the whole thing starts again. But a BM can constantly attack you with skills that does great damage. And stunlock you so you cannot run or use any skills. Against a true BM who can stunlock, I cannot even launch Wing Shield between stuns..

Maxed skills are at 85+ thats when the true ability of classes show. And even more at 89+.



In conclusion, archers can kill BMs in PVP/PK/TW, but not when it is a true 1 on 1 situation, which doesnt mean one has a set of skills already launched before the other starts to notice.

Archers r an excellent class at all levels but they just shine way too much at levels 65-85ish. But its all about ur skills too, cause u might have a +6 bow/xbow/sling and still not make a difference on those levels. At level 90+ an archer must use its skills with even better timing, but the damage will be more based in CRITICAL HITS.
I can kill any class 2 levels above me and only have problem killing barbs cause even if i spark after their charm ticks my damage is sometimes just not good enough to kill them but the CRITS still make all the difference.

a bm that is even 10 lvls over me would get owned... enough said

i've started pk when i hit 70, and one of the major question right now is "why the hell did i play an archer?"

i was told archer is the best pk class, but that is certainly not the case from what i can see.

since i'm on a pve server, most pk occurs in SP where there is no place to hide, the range is very limited and pretty much all the pkers are either barb (impossible to kill for archer and kills me easily) or bm (magic marrow and stun lock).

seriously, archer works better pve wise than pvp for me

Randoms - Dreamweaver wrote: »

My answer to this is... Dont PK at SP. Archers are ranged, there you cant even kite.

QFT, alot of Archers need range to excel. Unless youre like a close range archer,
O.O

heres a tip for pvp against bms

the only time they beat me in pvp is when they stun lock me...
so in order to counter the stun lock use wings of grace and then drop metal attacks in there face. Its an easy 1-3 hit kill most of the time.



PS this char is really an archer the forums are just screwed up