Overpriced gold and items?

For new players, the most important is a friendly and helpful environment where other players answer questions and help with bosses.

No one stops you from selling low, Zoe, but it isn't necessarily the best for a game. Luxury items are meant to be just that - luxury. Throw gold on the market for lower and lower ingame coinage, and it will rather lead to less enjoyment than more. The 'need it all for my happiness' attitude is running real life societies into the ground, and ingame societies are no different.

*walks away from this now, having said it all already anyway*

I couldn't comment, Sait, as I needed something called 'sleep' in the so called physical world *smiles*

And I wonder what it is telling you, that I did not comment? *smiles some more at what appears a basic rhetoric attempt to stain me (or was it not? my apologies of thinking it may was if it wasn't)*

The prices may have not dropped fully yet to their level prior to the glitch, but how about months and months ago, when the game was still starting out? Ingame gold was higher then, and we all managed, and the game kept gaining new members by the day.

But to me personally none of that is really the point. To me it is far more about the attitude of players wanting everything cheaper and cheaper, as well as easier and easier. It is a reflection of the first world lifestyle, which takes luxory for granted, and where getting more and more 'things' has replaced the joy of getting few things, cherishing those few things as truly special, proudly remembering the effort it took to get those few things.

Have you picked up on the question, Sait, why those 'things' are 'needed'..? I may missed it in your posts, and if so, I apologize. The newest mount is a typical example, or any mount, really, in the game. These are items which make things easier, as tavelling becomes faster. Does one 'need' them, truly, to play this game? I somehow doubt it... They are luxuy items, but many will complain if they can not afford them, then grudgingly point at others who have them.

I have a few 'things' on both of my characters which make my gaming in PWI easier, but same time I am making sure that my cleric still has challenges left. I do not compare my progress nor what I 'own' to that of others. When I deposit towards this game, I mainly do so to support the developers, so that this game can stay free for those who can not deposit. So many seem to totally forget that PWI is still a business venture, it hasn't sprung into existence or runs due to just the goodness of heart of those who created it. It has to be payed for, and as such I thank gold sellers (of which I am not one) that they actually make gold and boutique items available for other players. Thought about what would happen if those who do sell gold and boutique items would stop doing so..? Yes, they get a return within this game for the real life cash they invest, but is that not deserved, as they are investing money they actually worked for, not played for within this game? Who believes they have as individuals a 'right' to tell them what their real life cash is worth within PWI? The market of demand can tell them and does tell them, but anybody accusing that set of players of greed, whilst that set of players is the one actually keeping this game on the net - to me that is hypocritical as well as ungrateful. Why do players want cheaper gold? Well, I pretty much would say it is because they wish to save and grind less for those luxury items they do not really 'need', but 'want'. Is that not greed too?

I am in the so called 'real' world a Fairtrade supporter. I believe in paying more for goods, even though it means I have less to eat, as I can not afford to have the same amount on the money I have to spend to support fairer trade for a 3rd world, whose majority of citizens do not have the luxury to worry about an ingame economy like PWI's... But I can handle less, if it means someone else may can have some of the things we take SO for granted, too.

If enough players are found willing to invest their hard earned cash into this game, gold prices will fall again, and no doubt it won't be long and the complainers will start again and then say the new lower prices are still too high, as meantime they have found other stuff they 'want', instead of cherishing what they already have, because why cherish what already hasn't been too hard to obtain?
And thus I repeat - having it a bit harder to get something isn't a bad thing. It can be a valuable lesson, and bring us more enjoyment. It can make us more appreciative, and give us a feeling of achievement. Heavens - it is a luxury to play like we do, in the first place!! I just imagine the stare of horror and bewilderment of a child harvesting cocoa beans for our chocolate bars, if we'd walk up to it and ask whether it finds PWI gold prices are too high, and whether it thinks those gold buyers are greedy. I bet it will find us greedy before all else, just for having the time of day to play and worry about our pixel items costing us too much grinding time!!

Learn to be content with less, stop looking at what others have, those even richer than ourselves (because we all are rich compared to huge parts of this world), and stop taking everything for granted, including gaming time.

I for one am glad I can play, and that I can invest the occasional real life cash into something which I am fully aware is a complete luxury. I do not take this for granted at all, and will at the same time outside of this game continue to support fairer trade as best as I can, although same time I am also fully aware I am selfish enough to spend some of what I have on my own enjoyments. But I know that I am selfish with that, and keep a close eye on it, never forgetting how good I truly have it, and that at least I should be deeply grateful for it.

We are all greedy, it is embedded into us. We are greedy just by spending our time on something that is purely there to serve our enjoyment >.> We are greedy and self-obsessing, because we have the time to worry about things that have nothing to do with bare survival, but at least we should stay aware of it, and every now and then put what worries us into relation to what worries someone who actually does struggle to survive.

And yes, I include myself into that, too. I do not exclude myself at all, as no doubt I could be doing far more selfless things with my time and money than to play and at times pay for an internet game.....



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Edit - or to spend my time editing a post for spelling mistakes, when no doubt there are still enough left which I or ven haven't found >.<

*tucks Sait in* Sleep well ^^

To Sejhia:
I don't know whether the items you mention from that other game were 'essentials' to play that other game. Because there lies the huge difference to me - luxury items, that just make gameplay easier or lift a player's 'social status', those items only gain their 'value' because players lust to have them. And to 'keep up' suggests there is a secret race going somewhere, but that only applies if one decides to join into that. I am not using exp scrolls for example in PWI, never had a guardian angel, nor have I used so far 1 single mp charm for my level 66 cleric. Will I level slower due to that? No doubt I will, but I definitely have not signed up for a race. I don't compete with others, I could not care less whether they reach some distant level faster than me. I play because I enjoy the graphics, can stop on the way and just stare at a pixel flower and find it beautiful, as well as that I enjoy the gameplay itself, for example my challenges to make decisions on my build, my spells and so forth. I do not need to 'keep up' with anybody, nor do I care whether others have beautiful shards in every available socket on their all the way legendary equipment. That is them, and I am happy for them, same as I am happy for what I got ^^

If essential equipment ends too pricy, then that really is a problem in a game, but most of what gold is needed for on PWI isn't essential at all, accept inventory or bank extensions, but honestly.. if I can't grind the coins together for that, then I am one lousy player anyway and don't deserve more inv or bank space :P


To thanduril:
The 'fretting' comes from players complaining about how they suffer within a game environment due to pixel prices, and the referance to the 3rd world was in relation to that. I am fully aware of the energy my comp uses, as well as the fact that I at times spend real life cash on games and other luxuries. You may should have read more after all *winks* because -although I doubt it was your intention- you proved my point all the way with your reply, that this is a GAME, and we should keep it in relation to a world existing beyond our computer screens. We do not suffer, we have it great, even if PWI gold costs 15k more at the moment than what it did before the glitch. Complaining about such in our fantasy gameworlds is pettiness and shows a self-obsession which we can only indulge in because we have it so good, but under the same token: this self-obsession is a reflection of attitude outside of games, and as such there is a connection to the so called real world after all.

Well, I hope this has clarified matters a bit for you, in a shorter version than my -as it appears- otherwise too longwinded for you, posts

hmm.. I somehow feel you have completely missed the point of this thread, thunduril, but that can happen easily, as well as that I might misjudge you on this - the written word is a very limited tool, as the varying interpretations of texts have shown over and over from past days to now ^^

But yes, in fact, I personally feel again you are underlining some points I made, with trying to attack me over who am I to judge for what people are to sell their gold for. Well, uhm.. exactly? The market judges that, but many players seem to feel they have a right to accuse others of greed, and somehow I doubt a fall of gold prices would change that - those who want for as little effort as possible will still complain prices are too high, regardless *shrugs*

I am not one of PWI's gold sellers, which I somehow get the feeling you believe I am. In fact, to a degree I am with Zoe as in that it is nice -if one is in a position- to share some of one's 'wealth', as do I agree with Saitada and another poster, that greed is anything but pretty. But what I find fascinating and disturbing all in one, is that many who accuse the gold sellers of greed, never seem to stop and analyze their own motives, meaning - why do they want the gold prices low? I can't imagine I am wrong in assuming that most want the prices low, so that they can obtain gold for less ingame coins, meaning less grinding time and what not. That is just as greedy, to want all those things as cheap as possible - things that are not 'needed', but are wanted for easier gameplay - and wanting from others to make them available, but of course without those getting too much of a gain for it.

And I also believe that the moment one feels one has to make gameplay more 'bearable', one may should reconsider playing such a game at all, or at least sit down for a moment and try to find reasons why one plays.
Quo Vadis - where are you going...
Somehow I doubt many will be able to answer that, game or otherwise, and it seems to just end in a hunt for something, something no one can truly give a name to. If I level today, or in a few days - what does it really matter? Is it not the gameplay itself which is meant to bring the enjoyment? And if it does not bring enjoyment - then what could possibly be waiting at 'the end' of that game, which could make up for the time lost 'suffering' through it?

It has been proven that being 'rich' in 'material goods' does not bring happiness, and pixel items are 'goods', too. Instead, setting goals and achieving them after putting true effort in - psychology seems to have established is what can truly bring a sense of fulfillment. Wanting everything easy and cheap and getting it that way does not seem to fill anything within, or at least not for a prolonged period of time.


Oh, and veno_MAN_cer understands very well what I have been trying to convey - he shares the view, but I am the one who ends writing our thoughts down (on the few occasions we actually enter this forum), as the written word is my profession, so it just seems to make sense I end formulating what goes round in our minds, instead of him (although english isn't my first language, but oh well) *shrugs, then leans over to give the man sitting next a kiss* plus more than understandable that he is protective, I'd say, and I am glad that he is ^^