Arrogance and Stupidity like to go hand in hand

well i know i ask the fber to stay back cause it is super easy for you to die >.> and no one wants to help cause well hardly any exp and its out of the way, i could be grinding alot more then helping u get mobs u will get in one lvl anyway >.>

at this point in the game i get to around 20 to 30% through a lvl when i run out of quests so fbs really are needed for higher lvls

just because someone dies dosent mean much, i tend to die alot cause i dont pay attention, its how they die, like pulling too many mobs at once, or running ahead then **** them >.<

and no they are not connected i have pulled almost every single mob in there, depends on how u pull is all

Well honestly sometimes your better off just going in and doing things like this with people your own lvl. People who are more aware of your abilities and limits when it comes to the mobs and boss's in an instance designed for your lvl.

Also another tip when inviting higher lvls to help you with an FB (or instance of any sort) just stay back and let them do most of the work. Perhaps once they have the aggro then you can hop in and smack the beast a few times. Usually when a squad and I are helping with FB's we like to get things done asap meaning that things might be a little to chaotic for the lower lvl's to handle. When you get to a boss, if those higher lvls don't inform you about the boss's skills and so on then you should ask so you don't go and do something stupid like get yourself killed. XD

In the dungeons there are mobs that pull in pairs. Some mobs don't pull in pairs, but they will aggro if you get too close. Some are patrols which will also aggro when their path comes within aggro range of the players.

The players you grouped with were arrogant and they were idiots. A party with all members working towards completing the objective will succeed more readily than one with only some of the members doing so. They were wrong to not allow you to assist, and it might have prevented them from getting killed so many times. If they died 4 times each then they each lost 16% XP, so I guess they got what they had coming to them for their arrogance and idiocy.

Not knowing how they tried to do the dungeon, I cannot actually tell if they were doing something wrong, but if they were indeed arrogant about their ability to do the dungeon easily as it was below their level it's quite possible they were not properly pulling mobs such that they were aggroing more than they could handle, and by doing so repeatedly they sound like idiots which is why I made the initial comment.

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

We lacked a Veno since my squad mates considered they did not need one. The problem with the aparently conected mobs were the minions around Herculi.

These minions with the boss killed them twice in matter of a minute or two.

Can't the minions be pulled one by one with a ranged attack?

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

We lacked a Veno since my squad mates considered they did not need one. The problem with the aparently conected mobs were the minions around Herculi.

These minions with the boss killed them twice in matter of a minute or two.

In any instance you go in. Rule number one is to always bring a Veno. The lvl of the Veno doesn't really matter so much as long as she/he knows how to pull.

The only time you don't need a Veno is if you have a squad of high lvl players that can handle the damage and aoe the hell outta the mobs.

scridon wrote: »

In any instance you go in. Rule number one is to always bring a Veno. The lvl of the Veno doesn't really matter so much as long as she/he knows how to pull.

The only time you don't need a Veno is if you have a squad of high lvl players that can handle the damage and aoe the hell outta the mobs.

Why does the veno have to pull?

Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »

We actually tried that the day before when the other BM and the cleric were with me.

We pulled the first two patroling gouls by using Drake wich is the the only range skill that we had. I guess the cleric had range skills too but I ignore why we did not try them out.

The time we got killed was when we tried the next two gouls that are standing next to each other blocking the tunnel. We used Drake on one and the other one was activated too. After we killed the other 2 mobs, one by one. but as I said it was taking too long and deeper in the dungeon would be more dificult.

I've always used a bow to pull mobs. Habit from another MMO I used to play where the tank tended to do the pulling. A level 1 bow only needs base dex of 5.

scridon wrote: »

Well the veno doesn't have to pull if you don't mind getting slaughtered by 5 elite mobs smacking you all at the same time.

Veno's have a "secret" skill in this game. They can magically pull one mob at a time rather then 5.

FYI, don't act like a complete **** next time you answer a simple question. The other person actually managed to do so without acting like a complete ****.

The last FB I aided in consisted of the following classes: 1 veno, 1 cleric, 1 barb (highest lvl), 3 archers.

The barb just got in the way of our arrows ^^

Almost everything died before he could get even a handful of hits in.

Sorry to hear you had this kind of experience but it happens. I've had similar experiences myself and have been known to ask a tabholder to stay back at times in 39 as well.... simply because of this reason... almost half the mobs in 39 tend to "blow up" when they die. Depending on your hp, def, and your buffs, this may or may not kill any particular person standing next to them when this happens. Agro three or four of these kind of mobs, and you're looking at one or more deaths sometimes, whereas a higher lvl tank will usually have the hp to withstand it enough to survive and be healed before death. This is also the reason for a veno who knows how to pull singular mobs being in your party. In all honesty, archers and clerics are not intended to be pullers for single mobs, and if they can pull one instead of 2 or 3 its usually due to luck or patience (waiting for the mob to be far enough away from the rest to pull safely without agro'g a group) Assuming anyone but a veno can pull one mob and not agro the rest is risky and you take your chances.
This is not to say you can't run an fb with a party your level as long as the party is strategically planned from the start. tank, veno, 2 clerics, tabholder, and extra damage dealer. 39 is one of the tougher fb's though running with a party of 39-40 characters, and will still take you awhile, and depending on your luck and strategy may also include a death or two. I wish you luck with your run and at the risk of sounding like one of these arrogant "higher levels" (I'm not that high) feel free to pm me in-game if you need any help.

Agreed, but let me play the Devil's Advocate here.

Many many many lower levels genuinely think that because you're higher, you have it easy, your panties are filled with coins, and it's your DUTY to invest your time helping them.

No "thanks" no "please", they only try to boss/harass you around.

No wonder that later on many newbies are looked down.

orme wrote: »

Agreed, but let me play the Devil's Advocate here.

Many many many lower levels genuinely think that because you're higher, you have it easy, your panties are filled with coins, and it's your DUTY to invest your time helping them.

No "thanks" no "please", they only try to boss/harass you around.

No wonder that later on many newbies are looked down.

yes I will agree to a part of this as to some low lvl's do constantly ask but I for one dont mind helping if you are polite about it, but politness leave the area with high lvl's.. I have more higher lvl'd people just walk up to my Cleric and say "Buff me..", the lower lvl's say "Can I get a buff plz.. " Im to the point now where Ill help a low lvl before I help a high lvl..

@Alberic : Wow your trousers are too tight. Go sit on a rake, I'm sure you'll love it.

@DarkReCon : Mmm, I think I see your point, with time people forget that politeness is an angle stone of any civilized exchanges. Well, don't buff them. In any social exchange, "**** for tat" is the most efficient behavior.

i do 39 runs all the time, me and a specific group of friends around my lvl. we get it done fast, like 15 mins maybe once everyone is inside. it's a lot faster and easier to do all of the fbs with people higher lvl than the dungeon mobs. if you can get it done in 15 minutes, why do it in a way that will take 2 hours? it just makes no sense to me.

personally i dont like to enter with a squad made up of any lower lvls other than the tabber, though i do end up doing it quite often, more often than i like. the issue is that people close in lvl to the fb mobs become handicaps to the team overall. it's just one extra person for the cleric to heal and same person doesnt do noteworthy damage to the mobs. it ends up that the cleric has to go into overdrive healing the lower lvls to try to prevent them from dying, which happens anyway because they just dont have the def or hp yet to take the elite mobs. on top of that, unless it's a 2nd character or something, the noobs dont know where to NOT run to (cannot say how many times a noob in the team aggro'd the 4 midgets on the hill in the 1st boss room, getting themselves killed).

and the mob quests should have just been saved for when you did your tabbed run. i know that when *I* had to do my 39, runners DEMANDED wine, so i used it, didnt get my mob quests and was very upset about it, but now it's become standard to do 39 unwined; it just goes without saying.

what you need to understand is that when doing fb runs with people higher in lvl.. those people have most likely done that run several times before, they know which mobs you need, which ones you dont, and they know what can and cannot kill you. they know the safe spots for you to stand, and all other things like that. do not mistake experience for arrogance. i tend to be a little bossy in fb runs, but that's not because i'm arrogant, it is because i want the run to go smoothly. speaking from experience, the only time i've had an epic fail in an fb was when the noobs in the team did not follow directions. i.e. when i'm pulling the guards from the boss, they just run in and start attacking the boss, OR they dont stay out of AOE range as instructed, get killed, and then the tank dies while the cleric is resing the suicidal tabber.