Healing? Mana? Buffing? Mana? @_@

If we had an insta mana restore skill, we'd be uber inbalanced.

Your sis need to control her mana better. She can use pots if on a boss and spam healing is needed.

^^
If I'm correct, the single buffs and the jade powder don't stack.

Hmm, how exactly is she using her MP? Is she dying in FBs or is she dying while grinding? How are her stats?

Its also possible that she isn't timing things right- sometimes I find myself able to survive because I cast my ironheart blessing a little early to balance the damage I take...

How about other items? Life powders really help me and I use some Jade powders when I need it.

But ask her about those first questions and perhaps we can figure out something from there. =D

jaa,
sano

How are her stats looking? Maybe she can afford to put more points into vit. Is she dying while she's soloing monsters? Does she know how to kite? Is she getting 'interrupted' a lot? How is her attack pattern? ex. cyclone/ plume shot/ cyclone?

Actually, is her problem dying, or MP recovery? Is the problem just having no MP and then dying?

maybe we can find an answer if we know what she is doing with her Mana. Try ask her those questions. =D

jaa,
sano

http://www.ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php?pw=pwi

Clerics, buffs and heals mainly, have the highest mana cost for skill than any other class, even wizards, which got higher mana pool. So you arent doing anything wrong, the game is designed so clerics have to be out of combat so they have a mana regen (otherwise you will drain yourself in half a minute).
Depending on boss fight and tanker, you can sit between ironhearts, cast 2-3, sit, count 5 seconds, stand, repeat. This will allow your mana to actually go up once you hit high lvs.

1. learn to kite. Cyclone is a great kiting tool, thunder ball on pull (if FAC) cyclone, rinse repeat..sometimes you can plume shot it for final kill shot. metal beasts are much harder, and if you can't avoid them, try the next method..

Ignore what he said, kiting as cleric is stupid unless you are killing an elite/boss monster. You will benefit a lot more by heal+spam spells+heal then meditate. You arent a wizard or veno, you can HEAL yourself and quite fast.

You just forget that kiting = more time on combat mode = more time with sucky mana regen = less mana pool = less xp per mana wasted.
Plus, the already mentioned, more time to kill each mob, making your xp AND loot (thus income) over time suck.

Cyclone = one attack per 5 seconds, assuming you are damn professional and actually can cast it that fast.
Plume Shot = one attack per 3.5 seconds, note that this can be "chained", and cast twice between animations, reducing this time by roughly 0.5 seconds every 2 casts, but lets ignore it.

Given 100 seconds attacking.
Cyclones = 20 attacks
Plume shot = 28 attacks

"Dont evade, endure!".

PS: Your attempts to insult a cleric 40 lvs higher than you is failing so far.

If you use cyclone, and refresh it during the kite as it wears off your target, you will be done in short work regardless.
In the time you are running/kiting, you are regaining mana at a higher rate..try it, you might notice it. And you do not have to meditate, maybe once every 4 or 5 targets.

Alright, you didnt grasp the concept of combat mode yet.

Whenever you attack something, something attacks you (even if they hit or not), or you debuff something, you enter into a 10 seconds state called "combat mode", on which your hp AND mana regen is cut to 25%, meaning each 4 seconds on combat mode is equal to 1 second out of it.
Thus, if you kite a mob, you will be on 1/4 mana regen for LONGER than if you killed it faster, as the state goes away after 10 seconds.
It DOES NOT matter if you are casting, just being targeted and/or chased by a monster puts you into this 1/4 mp regen.

Lets say you regen 40 mana per second, thats only 10 per second on combat mode. And 80 per second on meditation.

So, the faster you kill a monster, more time you have to regain mana between monsters. And best solution here is kill the fastest possible, burn all your mana and then meditate for 1 minute.

Lets say you need to kill a monster on 10 attacks, be either cyclone or plume shot (they do similar damage).

You waste 50 seconds on combat mode to kill that monster using cyclone.
While you waste 35 seconds on combat mode using plume shots.
Note that you can even start with cyclone, giving you time to pre-heal and spam plume shots.
Enduring gives you over 12 seconds of faster mana regen (discounting the time to cast a ironheart), and if you were in combat mode for those 10 seconds, you would have regenerated 3 seconds (12/4).

This is obviously considering a melee monster, because you wont even kite mages and archers, will be plain useless. And also not considering the use of a charm, that will obviously say a big "**** you" to meditating and mana regen. Charms make grinding almost twice as fast (you trade money for xp). People will even stop looting coins to kill faster. Why you think they do that? Because they lack brain cells?




PS: About your puny rant, i really could care less.

So explain to me again how your 40 levels,
(which I will gain in short order on 2 characters as a casual gamer, 1 account),
is supposed to make you a superior player in any way?

So you felt inferior about my level and thought i was saying i was a better player?

40 lvs:
= many more skills maxed/high level
= many more AND different kind of monsters killed on MANY kind of ways you can imagine
= my epenis is bigger than yours.

Honestly Klath, you're an idiot.


OP, try kiting with cyclone, and notice the difference in mana consumption, vs tanking a mob. You can time your 'safe' distance on cyclone on the refresh itself. You can also kite archers and casters, because cyclone and its refresh have a greater range than your target's casting/archery range.

Keep track of the time it takes you to kill 10 mobs in both methods. (Including meditation)

If you look at our tree, it is plain we have the ability to kite very well, and mana efficiently, which is the reason of this thread.

Also it is good practice to learn how to do it, for in a TW, you really don't want to tank that blademaster.

Myai - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well, everyone knows Clerics can heal, but they can use up all of their MP doing so! Venos get a skill that restores some MP, so why can't clerics get that skill? I'm a veno, but my sis is a Cleric, and she loves to help people, but her MP always dies, and then she can't defend herself, and she dies. I just don't get why Clerics can't get a skill like the Venos' Nature's Grace that restores MP.

I don't get why they didn't give the Clerics a skill like that, so can someone PLEASE explain to me why not? >_<

Clerics learn to use thier MP wisely. Efficiently. Tell her to get her Ironheart up into the 5+ and only use it when actually needed. This takes practice.

Use pots.

Use powders.

If you are rich and don't care...use MP charms. Problem with these things is that they go off at 75% and burn very quickly. They should be at 50% like the HP charms...but that's a different arguement.

If you think mp use is high now wait til she gets Blue/Red bubble. b:cry

To be honest, I think in most situations a well-trained cleric simply shouldn't have to kite mobs, meaning that their int should be kept at a level where they can 2-3 shot most mobs. Of course, as you lvl you will encounter mobs with different properties and you learn to use different skills combos (over the classic cyclone-plume-plume and repeat if you haven't killed your mob with those 3). There will be a few mobs now and then that require some ingenuity, and you may find that you will need to spark and plume after all if you want to grind alone.

Even with good mana regen and high int, however, eventually you will find that some mobs take ~1k mp to kill, and don't we all appreciate the our expensive spirit charms (that stupidly ticks at 75% instead of 50% as someone mentioned).

But at lower levels I have never found OM to be a big problem once I throw in pots and powders (which were surprisingly affordable, if I recollect correctly). If OM while grinding is the problem, check the cleric's stats build - instead of putting more pts into vit you might want to see if you need more int to grind more efficiently. And if she is OMs while healing in a party... again she may simply need more mana. If she is flying about, just a reminder that elf wings over eagle wings consumes mana.

Kiting is attacking a monster and running away from him before he can hit you. Either to kill him slowly but safely or to keep him busy.
Examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvQAdaICNws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMteJFoLAZ0

In my Experiance as Cleric, I found that Mana is a very valuable comodity, which must be conserved. In my opinion, the way you conserve your mp is not something that someone can show you how to do, its something you have to figure out on your own. Remember that everyone has a strategy, whether its spending a heck of a lot of cash on Spirit charms or managing your potions and what-not.

There have been many times I have died because I ran out of Mana, all I can say is choose your spells wisely, use the spels that consume the least amount of mana when you can get by with it.

The way I used my cleric in other games was to study my team's hp and look at the capacity of my heal then I know when the hp gets to a certain point I can heal. Not like most who spam it and waste the mp fast.

Well, i'm not sure about whether tanking or kiting is better....

but for mobs.....i jus kill them before they get close enough to do dmg....

for healing ppl.... ah.....well....

(either way...i'm cant really answer this....cuz i'm one of those ppl who always have a charm on..... XD)

well......either way.....if your sister wants a charm i'll give her one.... XD

I hope she has a proper MAG amount, which would make this forum easier to explain.

Being LA might prompt less MP Regen then the VIT Arcane or Full MAG builds, so if possible, consider going those routes if you have issues in Regen still.

With what you've stated, Focus Powders should really do the trick. Maybe she's casting the wrong spells too much, or not measuring time between heals properly. I'm referring to Ironheart's Blessing, in that you don't need to spam it, but keep it on enough to stack it, with a 1-2 second window between completed cooldown and cast. Also knowing when to use Wellspring Surge, if it's leveled up, when your target's HP doesn't seem to need the Ironheart's stacking.

In terms of attacking, from personal experience, attacking mobs with Great Cyclone and Plume Shot at their maxed possible levels allows me to kill within a few attacks, 2-4 depending on circumstance. Kiting in the form of gathering and killing off one at a time would be much more efficient when done properly, in that your regerative cycle occurs after the killing, all in one sit down.

Not playing too many of the other classes, I can't personally compare the MP consumption, but from what I know, Clerics expend a butt-load of MP in both fighting and healing.. so you'll love Celestial Guardian's Seal, Focus Powders, and adequate Mana Potions.

Hope this helped.