No Fake guild bids for TW but you allow TW glitches to win?

And here is Genesis answer to the how they win their TWs. They learned it from MY. I don't see how that makes it right or how it makes this game fair or fun or playable.

"Whip(Dragons): Is standing inside the Pixels of the Turrets Legal in TWars, so can't target?"
"Abrahms(Genesis): Its a tactic used in MY servers as well as factions on this server."

Genesis I honestly say I liked you guys before this TW. I was looking forward to a fair and fun fight with you guys, but I guess you were not confident enough to fight us fair. You have really nice members and I am sorry for them...having to follow such ruthless leadership...

I am really disappointed b:worried

Hiding under the catapult is not a glitch. It's strange that you guys are coming up with new "glitches" in the game. What's next? Crowding an NPC to stop players from clicking him is a glitch too?

Learn how to select the target hiding under/inside the catapult.

It is not a glitch.

ultima999 wrote: »

Hiding under the catapult is not a glitch. It's strange that you guys are coming up with new "glitches" in the game. What's next? Crowding an NPC to stop players from clicking him is a glitch too?

Learn how to select the target hiding under/inside the catapult.

It is not a glitch.

It's not as simple as Alt-click/Shift-click, if u don't see the barb, you will still target the catapult : catapult is considered as a normal person by the game, nothing related to a NPC. It's like when u try to targetsomeone when several ppl are stacked (like at a teleporter spawn point), you can do whatever to "learn how to select the one you want" if the person you want to target is stacked, you will never be able to select him.

Alright, allow me to clear a few things up. First of all, there may have been a few people inside the catapults, but that was only a very few. We had over 60 members show up to TW on a Sunday night, even though most of us had work or school in the morning. Dragons had approximately 20 people, 30 at the absolute most. This battle was over quickly due to a huge difference in numbers of people at the war, not any supposed "glitch."

Secondly, our barbs with catapults took a lot of damage, and I can verify that. I'm a cleric, and I was in a team with a barb with a catapult, and he nearly died several times. Due to my healing, his HP charm, and invulnerability pots, he didn't actually die. I never was inside a catapult at any time during the entire TW, yet I hardly took any damge at all. I would have expected that Dragons would have targeted a cleric out in the open inside their base that was healing a tank, but apparently they didn't. I think this was once again due to our overwhelming advantage of numbers of people at the TW. They were simply unable to push us out of their base because we had so many more people.

Thirdly, Crash spent at least half of the 10 minutes of TW attacking towers near our base. I'm not sure what he thought he saw in his own base from there. We basically ignored him because our strategy was to rush their HQ and win quickly so we could all get some sleep. We took a while on Friday night because we were experimenting with several different attack ideas, plus a lot more Dragons showed up to defend at that war. Even then, it only took us 2 hours. Tonight, we didn't **** around. We just ended it.

Stop whining and just accept the fact that you lost. If you can't bring more than 30 people to a TW, don't expect to win.

Congrats on your win. Cata-rush is very effective on smaller and/or inexperienced guild; however, if you go head to head with a good guild, you will find yourself trapped and scattered often.

Maxmimum elevation for flying in TW is 23 (or 23.99). Whereas in world map is 79 (or 79.99).
Ground elevation is about 19-20 in TW. So the difference in height is about 4. This works out to be about 40 in terms of weapon range.

Keep that in mind for your next TW.

for once :P i agree with ult ,, talking about flying is one thing , but saying that cata pullers hiding in their cata's is a bug is totally redicilous to be honest ,, just what i think tho , feel free to agree or not,, but everyone knows its not a bug and it's like the number 1 rule when they teach a barb on pulling " never go far away from your cata" "always hide in cata" -_-

Pk them after the tw war...oh wait....you can't...b:victory

Yea, sorry Dragon's guys, but I don't think this is a glitch.

The idea is to have enough teamates on your side to kill the people surrounding the barbarians who aren't under the catapult...

Imagine you have 3 wizards...and they have 15 people all bunched up, with the barb under the catapult. The wizards attack those surrounding the barb until all three have 2 sparks. All three unleash Black Ice Dragon Strike or Blade Tempest...everyone around the crystal dies...unless they are much higher than you or have some really awesome armor.

Now, of COURSE you are going to have a lot more than 3 people who can do AoE...just AoE the heck out of them if they are all bunching up to hide the barbarians.

Yes, it makes the barbarians harder to target...but with everyone all bunched up they become prime AoE meat.

I really don't see this as a glitch. TW fake bidding is obviously in violation of TOS...I think this is a tactic that is easily overcome with other tactics.

Elchignolo - Heavens Tear wrote: »

To answer to Genesis' priest, yes, 2 barbs were not hiding well, I could target them and kill them, the 2 other barbs were more experienced and for one, I could not target him at all, the other one I could target him once, going really close to the catapult and playing with the camera. Moreover, some ppl were doing AOE on the catapults, since they just couldn't target the barbs.

I have to ask: if you can't even kill the ones that you admit were exposed, then what do you possibly have to complain about? I was a completely exposed cleric, yet I was only attacked twice. We simply had a lot more people than Dragons did. I realize that the war could have been scheduled at a better time, but the timing sucked for everyone, including us. Most of us were staying up late before getting up early for work or school, but we came anyway. If you can't stay up that late, I understand and respect the fact that real life is more important than a game. Don't go whining on the forums because you can't stay up late. Instead, take pride in the fact that you have your priorities straight. This is, in fact, just a game.

FYI: When Avengers attacked us a week ago, some of them were using similar tactics to the ones we used at Sunday night's war. We accepted it as a game mechanic and adapted our strategies to counter it instead of accusing them of exploiting a bug.

Nobody reads the in-game tips anymore?

Read my post in page 1 to find out why it is not a glitch. It is designed that way.

The problem here is not because players hiding inside the capapult - because there is a simple way to target him.

The problem that you guys are facing is called hiding the cata-puller by having multiple barbs close together. Even if the puller is outside the catapult, but there are 4-5 other barbs stacking on top of him, it is quite difficult to target the puller directly.

This tactic has its advantage but it also has its drawback. If two sides are approximately equal in numbers, then it is better off to use the exra barbs for offensive instead of a sitting duck.

It is often enough just to have 1 or 2 backup barbs to take over the catapult before its health reaches 0; think offensive more than defensive.

The strategy used in this winning guild only works on inexperienced and/or small guilds.

Ok, let me rephrase this. There is no whinnying on the Dragons side for the fact that we lost. It happened last time and you didn't see us complain. Yes it is a game and the ones that can't stand to lose should not play it.

We are Dragons and we take pride in our legacy, we have a strong will and we despise cowards. Our only fault happens to be, that we didn't know this is a common practice around PW. I can see why no one would tell us either. It is a very effective way of winning against someone who doesn't know about it(especially when you make sure of that beforehand, like Genesis leader did).

Ok, so why not target all those healing clerics? Well it really doesn't matter when they already are in your castle after 4 minutes, does it. The four turrets on the way to the castle were probably broke in under 3minutes. So your saying thats the normal way to goes when it's 30 people Vs. 60, they are mostly 7 min. Battles? Or did those turrets go down so fast because all the ground troops grouped inside them during your "strategy" . We are not saying we remotely stand to your forces, you are sooooooooooooo much better than us, who cares. We just think that stretegy is an exploit and no fun to play with, and I don't know why it is so hush hush,,, hmmmmmm.

I recently posted this in another thread but wanted to mirror it here as well:

First and foremost let's not start a flame war on the boards. Now we realize that a lot of our players are originally from PW-MY where a lot of things were not policed. We here at Perfect World International are dead serious about fairness and glitching.

We will soon be revising the Territory War rules in order to include the abuse listed in the above post. In the future, if you ever see anyone abusing this bug, please submit screenshots via our Customer Support Ticketing System at:
http://support.perfectworld.com/ticketing

We will look into each report and investigate every case we receieve. The Territory Wars page will be updated later today to reflect this new policy change, and any offenses from this day forth will be dealt with swift and serious repercussions.

Woah, I'm surprised that even Xarfox posted that. It seems that even GMs do not know the mechanics of the games.

I will post a screenshot of the in-game tips at a later time when I get home from work.

In the mean time, you can do this test to show how you can select PC hiding behind NPC.

- Bring your friend to the Wolf Cub in Archesaur (near the General) in South Archesaur.
- Have your friend stand on one side of the wolf cub.
- You stand on the other side of the wolf cub.
- Try clicking on your friend, you will only get the wolf cub.
- Now try Alt-clicking your friend, you will select your friend.