Did you attend NW? Pros and Cons vs xNW Please
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How surprising, another Da player complaining about losing the gravy train that was XNW.
"Boo hoo, now our NW is just as rewarding as it is for the other three servers...."
Well I did offer up a solution in one of the earlier posts. Just give the losing nations a static bonus tokens for participating in NW, sent thru mail, kind of like X-TW rewards.
Honestly, I think the best solution would be to just scrap the X-NW altogether, and focus on implementing thursday tourneys. Not having x-nw doesn't break anything, but no thursday tourney means it's impossible to actually make use of many features in the last elysium expansion.
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XNW was horrible for any server that wasn't Dawnglory. The only reason Twilight Temple won the last xNW was because (1) Dawnglory had a commander willing to shoot themselves in the foot, and (2) Every major faction in [Tw] spent the whole week spamming folks to join xNW.
Just taking [Tw] alone, the server was divided into those missing lunch because xNW started at 11:00 AM (PST), or missing a good chunk of the day for errands because xNW started at 2:00 PM (EST).
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Not victorious != horribleangellicdeity wrote: »XNW was horrible for any server that wasn't Dawnglory.
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Regardless its not the point. NW is one of the only ways to get better gear. With players not having access to this its going to have a negative effect no matter what direction we are in.
The XNW system is coded to work on the same time zones. NO one of the DEVs ever take into account the "INTERNATIONAL" part of these events as the main Client PWCN only has a time zone difference of 1 or 2 hours max.
if XNW mixed the players of different servers into different teams you would have a very different event. Working with different people different times. they should allow NW and XNW to run different days as a cover for people in different time zones. But only allow people to do 1 of these per week per account.
Argue with this all you want but NW for me is at 04:00am at least with the setup I suggested 95% if not Everyone would get the opportunity to do NW of some sort.
PWI going forward needs to taken into account when PWCN designs events and setups. lets look at it this way they said the Tournament would be out weeks ago. They are still having problems with this. I would Guess largely due to our Complex server setup.0 -
Why can't we have xNw on Friday at 20:00 server time, and Sunday at 11:00 Eu time? That way it would be fair for both Eu and other time zone people.
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xskysoldier wrote: »Why can't we have xNw on Friday at 20:00 server time, and Sunday at 11:00 Eu time? That way it would be fair for both Eu and other time zone people.
Cant as the time for XNW is hard coded to 8pm of the server. Since the server runs at EU time. I believe that's your answer covered.0 -
You don't have to be victorious to enjoy NW.
Not victorious != horribleangellicdeity wrote: »XNW was horrible for any server that wasn't Dawnglory.
The fact that every battle had you outnumbered at least 2 to 1, going as bad as 5 to 1 doesn't make xNW enjoyable in the slightest. Neither does having people you play with not be present because the times sucked.
It was horrible.
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No, Just No.0
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You Guys are not reading the posts are you.
Saying no or its horrible and not giving reasons are not a good way to get the correct results for your argument.
I really think mixing up the servers and having the 2 NWs would make the game a lot more open. If you can come up with a counter argument to that then do so. I would love to hear it. Just make sure you have checked the information before you post that.
As a reminder of the brief suggestion...
Regardless its not the point. NW is one of the only ways to get better gear. With players not having access to this its going to have a negative effect no matter what direction we are in.
The XNW system is coded to work on the same time zones. NO one of the DEVs ever take into account the "INTERNATIONAL" part of these events as the main Client PWCN only has a time zone difference of 1 or 2 hours max.
if XNW mixed the players of different servers into different teams you would have a very different event. Working with different people different times. they should allow NW and XNW to run different days as a cover for people in different time zones. But only allow people to do 1 of these per week per account.
Argue with this all you want but NW for me is at 04:00am at least with the setup I suggested 95% if not Everyone would get the opportunity to do NW of some sort.
PWI going forward needs to taken into account when PWCN designs events and setups. lets look at it this way they said the Tournament would be out weeks ago. They are still having problems with this. I would Guess largely due to our Complex server setup.0 -
You Guys are not reading the posts are you.
Saying no or its horrible and not giving reasons are not a good way to get the correct results for your argument.
I really think mixing up the servers and having the 2 NWs would make the game a lot more open. If you can come up with a counter argument to that then do so. I would love to hear it. Just make sure you have checked the information before you post that.
As a reminder of the brief suggestion...
Regardless its not the point. NW is one of the only ways to get better gear. With players not having access to this its going to have a negative effect no matter what direction we are in.
The XNW system is coded to work on the same time zones. NO one of the DEVs ever take into account the "INTERNATIONAL" part of these events as the main Client PWCN only has a time zone difference of 1 or 2 hours max.
if XNW mixed the players of different servers into different teams you would have a very different event. Working with different people different times. they should allow NW and XNW to run different days as a cover for people in different time zones. But only allow people to do 1 of these per week per account.
Argue with this all you want but NW for me is at 04:00am at least with the setup I suggested 95% if not Everyone would get the opportunity to do NW of some sort.
PWI going forward needs to taken into account when PWCN designs events and setups. lets look at it this way they said the Tournament would be out weeks ago. They are still having problems with this. I would Guess largely due to our Complex server setup.
Having squads go into random nations would be fun. It would be interesting to fight alongside other servers.0 -
You Guys are not reading the posts are you.
Saying no or its horrible and not giving reasons are not a good way to get the correct results for your argument.
I really think mixing up the servers and having the 2 NWs would make the game a lot more open. If you can come up with a counter argument to that then do so. I would love to hear it. Just make sure you have checked the information before you post that.
PWI has already stated that combining servers is not possible. Continuing to offer up that suggestion is pointless.
There are two options that PWI has shown being possible. Two days of XNW or two days of NW. Those in favor of the former are a vocal minority. I see no reason why the majority need do anything more than voice their disapproval whenever another one of these threads gets bumped. No reasons are needed as they have already been well documented in the massive threads that moved PWI to repeal XNW in the first place.
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It's impossible. Read previous posts!cyberomega45 wrote: »You Guys are not reading the posts are you.
Saying no or its horrible and not giving reasons are not a good way to get the correct results for your argument.
I really think mixing up the servers and having the 2 NWs would make the game a lot more open. If you can come up with a counter argument to that then do so. I would love to hear it. Just make sure you have checked the information before you post that.
As a reminder of the brief suggestion...
Regardless its not the point. NW is one of the only ways to get better gear. With players not having access to this its going to have a negative effect no matter what direction we are in.
The XNW system is coded to work on the same time zones. NO one of the DEVs ever take into account the "INTERNATIONAL" part of these events as the main Client PWCN only has a time zone difference of 1 or 2 hours max.
if XNW mixed the players of different servers into different teams you would have a very different event. Working with different people different times. they should allow NW and XNW to run different days as a cover for people in different time zones. But only allow people to do 1 of these per week per account.
Argue with this all you want but NW for me is at 04:00am at least with the setup I suggested 95% if not Everyone would get the opportunity to do NW of some sort.
PWI going forward needs to taken into account when PWCN designs events and setups. lets look at it this way they said the Tournament would be out weeks ago. They are still having problems with this. I would Guess largely due to our Complex server setup.
Having squads go into random nations would be fun. It would be interesting to fight alongside other servers.
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@parrot2010 They Said it was impossible to merge servers. They Said Sex change stone would never happen... they said Name Change would never happen. Nothing is impossible Time consuming to do but NEVER impossible. If you are defeated by someone saying its impossible that's fine but "I don't believe in no win scenarios."cyberomega45 wrote: »Having squads go into random nations would be fun. It would be interesting to fight alongside other servers.
Agreed TOTALLY new field of play. Would give NW more randomisation rather than enter as an OP 10 squad. Better fights working with different people new challenges.There are two options that PWI has shown being possible. Two days of XNW or two days of NW. Those in favor of the former are a vocal minority. I see no reason why the majority need do anything more than voice their disapproval whenever another one of these threads gets bumped. No reasons are needed as they have already been well documented in the massive threads that moved PWI to repeal XNW in the first place.
Im not asking about what's possible. Im pointing out what the best option to cover all server times would be. Im asking for arguments as to why. the reason XTW failed was because of time zones. Had it have ran at server time each server an impossibility ill add it would have been like normal NW.
Really these events should take into account the International part of PWI. Sorry as well but their was a lot of rush and crush over the time when NW first started. So your argument is in the water as complaints are still the same now but this is a point that it could change.
Regardless of this or that I just would like a solution for as many people to do NW as possible. So wither the Hard coding needs to be changed or the split between XNW and NW. Or do you enjoy battling the same people on NW week after week or even getting up at a stupid time or falling behind as you unable to do NW?
Really what im waiting for is something like you cant do that because ... not its impossible to do unless your going to say why. I don't Like this idea because.... I dont think thats a good idea because...
or make suggestions... I dont accept its impossible unless their is a reason. Unlikely may be but never impossible.0 -
I have to stress out again that:
1 - xNW is something everyone can/could attend without waking up at 5 AM in the morning.
2 - PWI does advertise to sell self better as International but events are not - X-things are good for that reason.
3 - X server events drive game forward, its not new stuff that comes out, look at any investor in PWI and you will see he invests so he / she can do X server events - Not local NW most of them dont attend seriously anymore.
Why are GMs not posting anything?
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1) yes everyone could do it without waking up early or staying up late. But unless you were completely end game, which most players arent, then you ended up doing worse than normal NW and found no point to do XNW because there was no fun being facerolled by the completely endgame people.
2) agree on this
3) i invest in pwi on occastion without the need to do x server events, simply because i like the game and want it to live. And if i invest without putting focus on x server events, then there are other players who do the same. X server events are not the sole reason that keeps the game alive. People have been charging despite XNW being taken out for months and despite the snafu with Xtw not being reset with new seasons, so your claim that XNW kept the game alive is false. Because as people leave over it being gone, just as many people left because of it being implemented. As stated in point one, the main people who enjoyed XNW were the rrr9+12 Full JOSD or whatever endgame shard they chose, because they were the only ones who did well in it. And note that the majority of players are not that completely endgame geared. There may have been a few undergeared people that might have enjoyed XNW, but the majority of them did not
I'm guessing you forgot about all the threads that were opened asking PWE to get rid of XNWEtherblade Server
due to mishaps in my past few years in game, I do NOT accept random invites (faction/squad/friend no randoms period) NOR will I give buffs (cleric/barb/sin/exp if i have it) to random people because they ask. If I DO give buffs to a random person, it's because of a random whim (much like the red detonator button sitting at my desk that i will one day push at a random whim)
Also do NOT look at my gear and then proceed to pm me asking to buy my gear or for a loan of coin. It's just plain rude.
I have too many toons to name, but if you play on Etherblade server and you come across a toon that acts this way, or if the world is suddenly destroyed, it was probably me.0 -
You don't even need to do anything in local NW you can just auto-cultivate. Even when I go NW with my crappy nirvana alt I have to go through loads of empty maps before I get to any sort of decent battle since most of them are filled with 1shot afk alts. I don't know how some people call this fun but ok. They should just bring xNW and put it on sunday and then all the QQers can have their precious afk NW on Friday.0
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I agree that local NW is an afk/alt parade.
From point of investing in PWI - getting s4r9 wep something new right? Who will go for s4 gear?
How likely is that someone that doesnt do TWars goes for items?
I know for sure many ppl simply stopped investing after xNW died as that was drive forward.
Its been months now and I personally, along with many - cant do wars 5 am and not just because its late - its because its not worth my time vs fun gain.
Ty!0 -
I agree that local NW is an afk/alt parade.
From point of investing in PWI - getting s4r9 wep something new right? Who will go for s4 gear?
How likely is that someone that doesnt do TWars goes for items?
I know for sure many ppl simply stopped investing after xNW died as that was drive forward.
Its been months now and I personally, along with many - cant do wars 5 am and not just because its late - its because its not worth my time vs fun gain.
Ty!
There is no war at 5am server time. If you are playing on a wrong server for your time zone, you can always start again on a server in your time zone. You are a heavy CSer so it shouldn't be too hard to catch up.
You no-show TW not because it's late, not because it's not worth your time vs fun but because you know you will lose to any decent faction because you lack the leadership skills to build one.
NW and xNW are exactly the same. They just have to adapt the map size to the amount of players attending.Stupidity at its finest :
"Deity sin vs Josd Dusk -> Dusk wins.
Josd sin vs deity dusk -> Sin wins by far."
Special Kid Joe 20160 -
notanyfox#3644 wrote: »There is no war at 5am server time. If you are playing on a wrong server for your time zone, you can always start again on a server in your time zone. You are a heavy CSer so it shouldn't be too hard to catch up.
You no-show TW not because it's late, not because it's not worth your time vs fun but because you know you will lose to any decent faction because you lack the leadership skills to build one.
NW and xNW are exactly the same. They just have to adapt the map size to the amount of players attending.
After being on the server for a few years and stating considerable time to that server and toon, WHY would you switch to another server and start again. What possible reason could you have for suggesting that?
NW and xNW are the same to map and maps. Not in the Server Vs Server profile. saying they are exactly the same seams you have been informed wrong.
I find your information to be incorrect and your comments to be insulting to a point of understanding. Please do not post if you cant post anything constructive or fair and understanding.
Thanks.0 -
I find your information to be incorrect and your comments to be insulting to a point of understanding. Please do not post if you cant post anything constructive or fair and understanding.
Thanks.
Who made you the forum police? I think notanyfox made a few valid points.
Nothing is scheduled at 5am server time. Barring those who used to play on Harshlands, it was the player's choice to play on a server on an inconvenient timezone.
The gameplay of NW and XNW are identical, it's just who attends that makes the difference. Scaling down the map size to compensate for a smaller attendance would improve gameplay in NW.
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After being on the server for a few years and stating considerable time to that server and toon, WHY would you switch to another server and start again. What possible reason could you have for suggesting that?
NW and xNW are the same to map and maps. Not in the Server Vs Server profile. saying they are exactly the same seams you have been informed wrong.
I find your information to be incorrect and your comments to be insulting to a point of understanding. Please do not post if you cant post anything constructive or fair and understanding.
Thanks.
Switching to another server can take considerable time for a f2p player but not for a heavy CSer like @monoftalm .
There are different sizes of map for NW. They have already proven in the past they are able to change the map size, at least in normal NW.
Everything I post is correct. You are just unable to understand it.Stupidity at its finest :
"Deity sin vs Josd Dusk -> Dusk wins.
Josd sin vs deity dusk -> Sin wins by far."
Special Kid Joe 20160 -
Wait what? Since when? *makes eyeballs* that'd be news to me because if thats so would LOVE to poke someone else other than Domino and Orinj all day every day XD
This has yet to have a resolution of course, and I'd like to see at least a way to do both because then it just gives more times for more events. I don't want to nuke reg NW but I'd like to see xNW people get a time slot. I think if I remember what I've previously posted on another thread, I think one of the timeslots for xNW I suggested was Sunday at 11 AM Server time as it doesn't violate the time zone issue (meaning EU isn't on a different day altogether) and you could run it then and still keep reg NW and not clash with TW times. I don't remember there being a ton of opposition to that timeslot either, but if there's actual issues with it I'm not remembering feel free to point them out.⋆Have a question? Feel free to shoot me an ask!⋆0 -
You cant run either of these events at 5am Server time as the time is hard coded to the system at 8PM`. This is what im trying to point out over and over again. Ill add in that some of the testing of SvS also put the system in a position where Toons and Accounts where lost. This being the XServer Time problem. Simply the servers where not designed to work to different time zones.
The last point to my point is not complicated at all. Either the Hard coding for the event times needs to be changed or a different setup needs to be made. EITHER way this involves changing the code and settings. Or nothing changes and people continue to decide playing as a result of not being able to do events.
@notanyfox#3644 You seam to have a despite for the CS ers of this game disregarding they are the ones who keep the bills paid. Im sure mono has put money into this game but like many others farms and uses the markets. Im disappointed to hear your whole idea for moving servers is on this as a point. You are entitled to your opinion however fact is true to be observed and since your allowed yours I am mine. Failing that a Server Change.
@perrion @capnk @arspaulina#4310 I have and never will claim to work for a company I don't. Many rumers have been around for years who I am and What I do but I will dismiss them simply. Something one of our CMs did was give me the Title I have. I was asked to be a moderator but since the lack of respect most of the community has for them I was not up for this. If you can show me a post or information claiming I work for PWE or PWI in any format I will simply be surprised. I do support this community in Suggestion Box That is all I will claim. P.S. Arspaulina you can always PM me if your board not sure if ill ever be able to help mind...
I have in the past run and helped maintain a server and to this day I still help out on other systems and run my own Game servers I must add NOT PW. This is one of the reasons I know a bit and ill say a bit of the setup...
Lastly XNW, TW, XTW, NW, and other events are something I have had come into suggestion box for years I really don't understand the International part of this and something that has caused many conflicts on here. This is the reason Im in this thread to get a result that is open International.0 -
@notanyfox#3644 You seam to have a despite for the CS ers of this game disregarding they are the ones who keep the bills paid. Im sure mono has put money into this game but like many others farms and uses the markets. Im disappointed to hear your whole idea for moving servers is on this as a point. You are entitled to your opinion however fact is true to be observed and since your allowed yours I am mine. Failing that a Server Change.
Mentioning someone is a CSer doesn't mean I despise them for being a CSer. I do despise mono for his lack of skill in-game and poor social skills, not for CSing. Stupidity at its finest :
"Deity sin vs Josd Dusk -> Dusk wins.
Josd sin vs deity dusk -> Sin wins by far."
Special Kid Joe 20160 -
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Every idiot can see and agree that normal NW is just bad , rewards are **** like always but the nations are full of alts and the map is mostly empty with each nation having what 1 maybe 1 and a half squads?
Obviously the time of xNW was bad for some servers ofc but still we can agree that for 80% of player base it was ok, but pwe shoulda made normal nw one day and xNW the other day to 'fix' that part.
Majority of people i know just stopped going to NW since its just not fun killing alts and fighting same 5-10 ppl every god damn nw, on the xnw in the other hand you could go for other nations and fight different oponents week after week seeing as it atracted waaaaaaay more ppl then normal nws do with more challenge and etc.
Other then time slot whoever disagrees with this is either here to trol or is one of the people loging 10 alts etc to get more rewards.
Idk what u guys are writing here for 7 pages but anyone who can use their head will agree that xNW > NW and as for ppl that couldnt attend it pwe coulda just made one separate normal NW for them.
Having xNW would atract way more ppl to play it actively again and it would actually start being fun and competitive again but this proly wont happen for a while seeing how pwe is fking up xTW ,new tourny is being late (russians have it for a while and we cant , gg) so dont expect much xD
You cant make everyone happy regarding the time slot and etc but the xNW that we had was way better then current NW's we have atm and 90% of player base would defo agree with that.0
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