Did you attend NW? Pros and Cons vs xNW Please

sasquatch87

We still get about the same amount of people on Twilight for regular nw and it's boring as hell. What people to realize is that by bring xnw back the price of token rewards will increase again. Pre regular nw return SOW climbed up to 6M-5M; post regular nw return 3.3M-2.5M. It was a lot more fun during xnw, so why not take the fun and solid coin grind over boring with very small reward for it? PWI had something good going, so why not keep growing the cross server events? Xtw is fun but it's a hit or miss when it comes to enjoyment of the event.

booker27

They really need to bring xnw back... current NW is boring and my server has even less attendance than before even though its at the best timezone. Maps are empty and i can just multi client and let my toons bot in nw and get kills lol.

jadasia

sasquatch87 wrote: »

We still get about the same amount of people on Twilight for regular nw and it's boring as hell. What people to realize is that by bring xnw back the price of token rewards will increase again. Pre regular nw return SOW climbed up to 6M-5M; post regular nw return 3.3M-2.5M. It was a lot more fun during xnw, so why not take the fun and solid coin grind over boring with very small reward for it? PWI had something good going, so why not keep growing the cross server events? Xtw is fun but it's a hit or miss when it comes to enjoyment of the event.

That's because the net tokens earned by TT players in cross server NW was a lot less than it is for regular. Less tokens = higher value per token. That's what happens when one server has such an advantage over the others in sheer number of participants and they score the most tokens to upgrade their gear week after week. That just compounded their advantage over the other servers.

If cross server NW ever came back it it would need to be random nation assignments instead of a nation per server. With that the number of tokens earned by the players would be roughly equal (or better than) regular NW. Wouldn't make a difference between token prices between cross server and regular.

krian090590

definately prefer regular NW, because i make about 2x the tokens then i did the few times i did XNW, but i'm still working on getting my gear, and that's not including refines and sharding. have one of each, so people can do the one they prefer. After i finish getting my gear up there (have no clue how long it will take) i might want to look at doing XNW for the challange, but until then regular NW is the one i want

magiceffect

Fun fact, after NW was reintroduced, I stopped playing the event. I wonder how many people who do not actually need the rewards did the same.

xNW was a great way to compare teams of various factions when they meet, and that meant fun for end game teams.

It might be a good idea for PWI to consider ADDING a xNW event during the weekend. Keep the old NW, I get it how servers with low population need to gear up.

monoftalm

Can we have a GM post here please? - its been a while since this started would like to hear them out.

BTW - imo its Killing the game the fact that xNW is out, most ppl that were going to invest are doing it slowly or have stopped coz xNW was thing to go for.

eaglestorm

jamesmcd wrote: »

Time just after lunch instead of some ungodly time in the morning (5:15 am last xNW). This may not suit all the time as I sometimes have things to do after lunch on weekends.
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lmao are you kidding me, ungodly time of 5.15 for xnw..... please us europeans and english have been on line at 4 am for 4.20 am start for years and you are complaining about a couple of months? Jeesh you don't know you are born.

And before some bright spark says go to European server then, My Characters are nearly 9 years old and there was no european server then, I worked hard to level them up as those who were around then know, it was damn hard to level back then, no bh, no FF, no pv just hard grind and R9 my cleric, when they allow you to transfer your account to another server, I will ^^

catgirldesu

You should @ GMs; makes it easier for them to notice threads as they get notifications for it. But yeah, it would be cool to get some update on this. @thenamesdomino

I think we should have both xNW and regular NW or switch the NW type every 6 months. I understand a lot of people prefer NW, but likewise a lot of people like xNW more. It's up to PWCN I guess.​​

endezechein

xNW was better because there was a sense of rivalry between nations and the fights were better. Unlike NW, you can say there are still good fights bit not in all instances, mostly happens when you encounter a good squad(typically rrr9 players) otherwise you'll find yourself 1 shotting alts that are hitting the npcs. One thing that is good from having the normal NW was the prices of SOW and other items related to supply tokens were significantly lower which is something I dont understand because I used to get an average of 600-800 tokens doing xNW(which I only have to do once per week). Unlike normal NW where you have to attend twice and just get an average of 250-300 tokens per 1 NW, even less if you end up on the losing nation. To sum it up, I think they should bring back xNW because it was a really good event (btw xTW is so crappy and boring ijs). I just hope that the prices would still be the same as it is now (merchants not taking advantage of the situation and suddenly increasing the prices).
<-From etherblade and It was really fun exhanging blows with DA even though we always end up on the losing side.
Etherblade is still fun though even with normal NW, our players hates each other so much which is the only thing that keeps this server not so boring.

shade13

catgirldesu wrote: »

It's up to PWCN I guess.

Nope. PWCN still has xNWs. It's up to PWE's technical ability to run cross server NW.​​

catgirldesu

It's up to PWCN (well, Wanmei technically) whether they would agree to let us swap NW types every six months, which would probably be the best way to satisfy everyone or, at least, most people. Having both at the same time seems less likely even thhough I would be okay with that.

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shade13

catgirldesu wrote: »

It's up to PWCN (well, Wanmei technically) whether they would agree to let us swap NW types every six months, which would probably be the best way to satisfy everyone or, at least, most people. Having both at the same time seems less likely even thhough I would be okay with that.

I don't think Wanmei cares what type of NW we have. PWE simply can or cannot run it crosserver. If it can't, PWCN can't do anything with it. If it can, it's okay cuz it's supposed to be xserver.

game is really starving for PvP

How come? Turning all servers pve made everyone so happy.​​

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shade13

superfedee wrote: »

what else is there pvp-wise ? nothing lol

Agree. Totaly demotivated to farm those new g17 because no point lol​​

dblazen1

>Just stay in safe zone = starve

I don't get people who whine and whine and whine about PvP.
If all those people that moan about it just enable PK and leave that button for what it is, then you will just realize that pvp was never alive in the first place the past 4-5 years.

Making the servers PvP will just make people stay in safezones, and you still won't have PK, thus solving absolutely nothing PvP related.
And even then, people are a bunch of white knight "YOU DIDNT ASK ME FOR 1V1, GO AWAY WITH RPK".

PvP playerbase is the true cancer.
You have an option to turn PK on, if people want to pvp so badly nonstop, then turn on PK and leave that button be, problem solved.​​

afaria86

dblazen1 wrote: »

>Just stay in safe zone = starve

I don't get people who whine and whine and whine about PvP.
If all those people that moan about it just enable PK and leave that button for what it is, then you will just realize that pvp was never alive in the first place the past 4-5 years.

Making the servers PvP will just make people stay in safezones, and you still won't have PK, thus solving absolutely nothing PvP related.
And even then, people are a bunch of white knight "YOU DIDNT ASK ME FOR 1V1, GO AWAY WITH RPK".

PvP playerbase is the true cancer.
You have an option to turn PK on, if people want to pvp so badly nonstop, then turn on PK and leave that button be, problem solved.​​

Pls, stop using logic here...

But xNW was in fact more appealing

shade13

Ok, it's not the topic for arguing about pvp/pve oriented servers. Not like PvE-only players can objectively argue about that hehe The amount of ppl attending non cross server NW shows clearly what is more appealing, I believe.​​

dblazen1

shade13 wrote: »

Ok, it's not the topic for arguing about pvp/pve oriented servers. Not like PvE-only players can objectively argue about that hehe The amount of ppl attending non cross server NW shows clearly what is more appealing, I believe.

>Use common sense
>LOL PVE ONLY PLAYERS CAN'T OBJECTIVELY ARGUE
>This has somehow something to do about the state of pvp
Ok.

It's not that hard to log in, go to west, and see how dead it was the past 5 years.
It's not hard to go there, and see the white knight idiocy about RPK being a bad bad thing, lol.
It's not that hard to realize people don't pk, because if you do something that is frowned upon (like RPK), you're some sort of outcast that's the absolute worst person alive on the server for randomly killing whoever.

I tried PvP once, and when I did, I just went for people whenever I saw them white named.
People gave me **** for it because of above said reasons.

But ok, you PvP gods and your petty rules and laws about how to PK and how not to PK are correct. You gotta ask nicely before doing something.

PvP player base: Absolute. Cancer.

But now back on topic:
cross server > not cross server. It was more fun, it was more accessible.​​

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dblazen1

superfedee wrote: »

PvE servers dont exist and never existed in PWCH, events and the whole game itself its based upon PvP formula, dailies are out of safe zone, as well as world bosses resource wars primal boss etch
blue name over lvl 30 shouldnt exist, faction A player gets pked by faction B player while doing dailies, A calls backup to kill B, B gets rekt and comes back with reinforcements, there you go mass open pk
Eu players had option to vote if stay PvE or switch PvP server, they voted to stay PvE and then most of those players quit while all the ones more PvP-oriented are still there wellp

PvP is the game, PvP brings challenge and competition, you get deleted in open pk you are motivated to gear up and play more,
what does PvE bring to the challenge and competition? nothing, PvE is the path to follow to become competitive and ready for PvP

btw yea if PvP is cancer, where PvP is the thing not just on PWI but pretty much on any online videogame, dblazen1 you are just mentally challenged

Any person who likes to apply their own rules to PvP on how it should be done, is a cancer to PvP.
I am not saying PvP is cancer, I am saying that the PvP playerbase is a cancer, because they're a bunch of hypocrit white knight warriors that only like to PvP if it's done by their little playbook rules, like asking before acting.
And since this is PWI we are talking about, I am, which should be obvious, talking about the PWI PvP playerbase. Not about other games.
How is that, in any way, mentally challenged?

Besides that, what is stopping anyone, including you, from entering pk mode and staying in PK mode?
To me, all you are crying about is that people have a choice to PvP or not.
If anything, let CN introduce a new button; one that once used, gives a warning that you can not revert back to blue name and that you're permanently in pk from that point onward.

You are just proving my point by adding an insult to your post, good job there buddy.

Either way, it's not what this thread is about, so i'm done on that subject as it's just derailing due to opinions.​​

shade13

dblazen1, playerbase is the same. Same ppl played the game before and after merge. Same players from PvP servers, same from PvE. And they are all same. If you think that pvp/pve mode somehow changes ppl' mindset, you are mistaken or really naive. If you think this playerbase is cancer, congrats, you are still among them and you are part of this community, no matter what. No matter what mode server is in.​​

dblazen1

shade13 wrote: »

dblazen1, playerbase is the same. Same ppl played the game before and after merge. Same players from PvP servers, same from PvE. And they are all same. If you think that pvp/pve mode somehow changes ppl' mindset, you are mistaken or really naive. If you think this playerbase is cancer, congrats, you are still among them and you are part of this community, no matter what. No matter what mode server is in.

>Posts: "Not like PvE-only players can objectively argue about that hehe"
>Apparently there are PvE-only and not PvE-only players
>It's all the same player base though gais
Hello contradictions.

To be honest, pvp oriented players tend to have different personalities than those who are not. They're easily split up between 2 groups, and it's something you did not very long ago in your own post, so venomancer, please.
If you experience no difference between the 2, then you're blind.
That in my opinion, separates to 2 player bases, those who are pvp oriented, and those that are not.
So yes, i'm saying that in my experience and in my opinion you can split them up into 2 seperate player bases.

Having opinions is a bad thing, I know.​​

shade13

dblazen1 wrote: »

Hello contradictions.

To be honest, pvp oriented players tend to have different personalities than those who are not. They're easily split up between 2 groups, and it's something you did not very long ago in your own post, so venomancer, please.
If you experience no difference between the 2, then you're blind.

ta-ta.

There is no contradictions, I spoke about something else: experience in dealing with the comminity while you cannot hide behind bluename, and when you can. It changes the whole attitude a bit, but not the personality.

I see a difference between PvEserver and PvPserver groups. The first one filled my blacklist rapidly after server merge and proved it's not better than the latter at all ​​

bloodedone87

superfedee wrote: »

PvE servers dont exist and never existed in PWCH, events and the whole game itself its based upon PvP formula, dailies are out of safe zone, as well as world bosses resource wars primal boss etch
blue name over lvl 30 shouldnt exist, faction A player gets pked by faction B player while doing dailies, A calls backup to kill B, B gets rekt and comes back with reinforcements, there you go mass open pk
Eu players had option to vote if stay PvE or switch PvP server, they voted to stay PvE and then most of those players quit while all the ones more PvP-oriented are still there wellp

PvP is the game, PvP brings challenge and competition, you get deleted in open pk you are motivated to gear up and play more,
what does PvE bring to the challenge and competition? nothing, PvE is the path to follow to become competitive and ready for PvP

btw yea if PvP is cancer, where PvP is the thing not just on PWI but pretty much on any online videogame, dblazen1 you are just mentally challenged​​

Go play PWCH then.
Like dblazen said: what is stoping you pvp players to turn on pk button and stay that way for the rest of years that this game still have left?
But it is not about that, no?
Its about that you and the rest of those that are asking for turning all servers in pvp just want to kill the weakest ones to feel like GOD or something.
Maybe some of us do not want to get in mass pk even if we are part of a faction. Maybe we just want to do his dailies. Why should I be forced to pk or I should I be forced to set my time of doing dailies due to your needs to pk me? I do not want to stay in safezone until that someone that is waiting to pk me is leaving the area were I am questing.

scruncy

The problem with pvp is that it has no benefit whats so ever. When PvE people doing nw ,they dont do this cuz they wanna pvp, they want nw token. They dont care if its xnw or nw as as long as they get their token.
If you wanna make pvp alive you need something to make it beneficial. Otherwise it will always be dead.

shade13

scruncy wrote: »

The problem with pvp is that it has no benefit whats so ever. When PvE people doing nw ,they dont do this cuz they wanna pvp, they want nw token. They dont care if its xnw or nw as as long as they get their token.
If you wanna make pvp alive you need something to make it beneficial. Otherwise it will always be dead.

Ummm... Devs or GMs don't want or need to make pvp alive They need ppl to play the game. If ppl don't like pvp, fine, then there is no pvp. And of course it's not in their interest to attract ppl into pvp just for the sake of pvp. What's the point of it for game management? There is none. It's only a bunch of pvp hungry ppl QQing about lack of pvp, but who cares?

TW is dead, bugged or PvEish due to new timing and often resets?
NW became semi-afk alts farming event?
RW is non existent?
xTW is randomly totaly unbalanced?

Who cares while ppl still play and cs and like it?​​

scruncy

Thats what I am trying to say. We can QQ forever nothing will change, people wont pvp if it doenst benefit them.
As for the other events, Fede ( I refuse to call you Super ) and Marengo said it all

Tw : 100min time plus the cata bugging are a tw killer. Tw just became land grabbing by the big factions v small factions. I also think the tw land rewards are out of date. To attract people to tw more, you need better rewards you can distribute to your faction member

Nw/xNw: token farming event for everybody. At least here you can get some fun fights if you look hard enough

Rw: I think this event is pointless, PvP server or not. Faction kills a base, ur done. You missed it just kill a alt. Most useless event ever. Remove it and send everybody 500 soldier pay every week. Makes no difference.

cTw: This match up system stinks. Plain and simple.

shade13

scruncy wrote: »

people wont pvp if it doenst benefit them.

I have to disagree here
Have you ever seen the ppl who pvp without any profit or benefit? Lots I guess. Some rpk in world or arch west etc. Even now more than zero.
Some 1v1s, some mass pk after all.
TWs are only spends and little gains, but ppl love TWs if they happen to be equal.
xTW currently give only mount reward and small chance for some better item which also doesn't pay off.

And do you often see the ppl who PvE without any profit?
How many ppl run Nirvana after introducing NW?
Does anybody run FS more than once per day not for coins/packs or helping friends, but because he likes the instance? Will ppl continue running it in such amounts if reward is removed or devaluated?
How many full WS squads have you seen before introducing 3d cast of r9 which is farmable only there or in lunar?

So, conclusion:
If ppl really like pvp they pk without any profit.
If ppl like pve, they don't do it without profit x)​​

scruncy

you just confirmed what I said

people pve cuz it benefits them.
people dont pvp cuz there is no benfit ,except the occasional pvp from people who really like it.
pve people do go to a pvp event (nw) if it benefits them.

make pvp beneficial (other games have that) and you will see people pvp. Otherwise we can QQ forever, nothing will change.
pvp or pve server wont make any difference.