ITS QUITE THE NERVE OF GPU SUPPORT FOR SOME PEOPLE!

mwk · July 2016

I played this game long ago. I played on the Lost City Server. Now hearing that this game now has 4 servers is quite a loss. PWE makes a reborn system, thus adding things that make us spend more, and more money. PWE needs to stop being furnaces for our money to even play this game at all! Also ever since Arc, I know that Arc just makes it worse on ping in some fashion. Besides before so called "Arc", there was manual patches. Now I'm not even sure if manual patches even exist? However, I try to patch this game and well nothing takes affect; so I stopped playing. Also some people have even said that new tech computers can't even play this game or at least some had a hard time for some reason. I used to get many FPS and now its at 1FPS; last time I played; also the same computer. Talk about poor GPU support that needs to be worked on!

I'm pretty sure 8G RAM-memory and 1G RAM-Graphics Card can handle this game quite well, nope GPU IS TERRIBLE!

The game I play now is [Redacted] and technically the graphics are better than PWI. I play at max settings. So thus the reason to why PWE is losing money is because of poor GPU support and also their P2W games being too much overboard! CASE CLOSED!

I think first of all is to get rid of ARC! It made things totally terrible by the way it connected you to the server. How ridiculous is it for someone to use a browser, just to get a launcher open? Just pointless and also another program task!

Ars : Removing mentions of other MMO's

joecisco · July 2016

GPU is terrible because the game doesn't even use it.

PWI was made in 2004.
The other game you mentioned, was made in 2012.

In the computer world, that would be akin to comparing a '68 Chevy Nova (stock) to a '92 Chevy Corsica. The game engines are light years apart.

Don't like Arc? Use Steam.
OR, read the damn sticky threads.

OP post fail.

dblazen1 · July 2016

PWE makes nothing, PWCN creates the content. PWE just publishes games.

No to tell you more about why your post is a horrid fest of misinformation:
1. You don't have to use arc at all once PWI is installed, hell you don't even have to use steam.
2. Used to get many FPS and now only 1? Yeah ok, I call BS on that. Also, i've played it on all sort of computers, ranging from **** to high end, never having any problem with the game.
3. It's widely known that PWI doesn't use the GPU, it's an ancient game in terms of how games go, you can't compare one game to another when the release and creation date is so far apart. The game you mentioned has the same problem as PWI when it comes to the CPU, it only uses 1 core, which is absolute ****. They did say they were going to upgrade the engine, 3 years ago or something, but has yet to see any light of day.
4. You talk about new tech computers, but 1GB GPU is not new technology, that's actually old as hell as well. We're at 4GB (or 3.5 because lol nvidia 970) being the standard currently for "new tech".

mwk · July 2016

[Redacted] runs on Unreal engine and PWE is IDK calculator format? I joke, comparing it to a graphing calculator, but seriously if I sent my dxdiag to them, they did nothing to fix the bugs. Considering GeForce 4 Ti4200 64MB or ATI Radeon 8500 64MB which is old and the requirements. STILL! PWE can't fix their GPU support bugs! Once Nation Wars came and Arc came into effect, things started to go down hill. I even vertifed when I even crashed at times after updates. So really the culprit is not on my end, when I'm running smooth on the new game I'm playing now; better graphics too and at max settings. I often keep my drivers updated too. Also to update the game you have to use ARC! I know there is a way to get around it, though I never could once ARC came more into effect. The gpu support became terrible for some graphic cards. I don't know what they did? However, I will say they made it worse by so many updates and not fixing bugs for some people. I had stretched out polygons at one time in certain areas then it went away once refreshing my game; HORRIBLE!

The culprit is the terrible single core! Intel's multi cores do AWESOME for multi threaded software, but can have major problems with single core software. When in fact 99% of ppl should be clocking 60+ fps all the time if PWE upgraded.
Only 1/4 of my CPU is being used lol. If you're lucky, well good for you, perhaps somewhere on how your graphics card works supports the game; just your luck ONLY BY CODING! I read somewhere that people that have like 32G of ram and a high end graphics card, high-end processor, and the works, have problems running the game smoothly. Also I won't lie when I say that some people can't run this game because this game won't use your CPU! If your cpu somehow on the way it runs, you're lucky ONLY BY CODING! However, just the people I have talked with on the game I play now have quite the awesome computer and they totally agree with me because they tried themselves trying to play the game again. So really PWE needs to upgrade to multicore! JUST DO IT ALL READY! It would be nice to get in contact with some old friends I played with, if they still played? I'm not going to be butt-hurt about it if they don't upgrade to multicore, but they will bring more players back!

1G Ram for graphics card and 8G memory and fine on [Redacted]. Single core server and single core engine, just it's how perfect world is when really so is their tech support lol terrible! That's how Perfect World will always be and also PWE developers need to get their act together.

If you think I'm lying, I'm not! Perhaps upgrading to a multicore server will do at least some justice!
Don't toy with me when PWE lost money, its part of the culprit! They made enough money to at least upgrade their trash in the past! The CEO has to be some greedy! I played this game long enough in the past that I just know how PWE is when they don't listen or help anyone and act like they helped! I expect at least some compatibility! Don't toy with me like some guy above me and show off your specs that apparently runs fine with the game by luck! AGAIN! 99% of ppl should be clocking 60+ fps all the time if PWE upgraded!

At one time my desktop running Nvidia 6150SE LOL by FPS was better; NO WAY! Why? Its a old game for older tech! Yeah PWI ran better than my laptop with specs it has, which is better! Just my experience and no its not integrated graphics on the laptop! Things changed when they overload their single core server and engine with updates to transfer info as fast into packets. ITS NOT MY INTERNET! I'm running 35-50mbps with XFINITY! I state the facts to why I lost my FPS and never lost any to better coded games! I won't lie when I say that its terrible coding to support any of most your GPU and CPU! Time to do the job and fix those bugs PWE developers and increase the compatability for new tech because they all run different! PWI lost money because they won't upgrade their garbage tech and engine! Better get to work and stop being lazy and stop not listening to your customers! Resetting your server really does nothing for maintenance!

BTW DONT!

Ars : Retracting names of other MMO's - not really in the mood for this btw. Sorry if I come off harsh.

arspaulina#4310 · July 2016

*coughs lightly* Warning you once for having to redact names on two posts, I really don't want to come in here playing "bad cop". Anyways carry on.

laiwaisan · July 2016

LMFAO my computer i think is way over 10 years old only thing i upgraded was the power supply to i think 1000 which is over kill and seriously i have no issue playing this game i have an old nvidia 120 graphics card lol that obviously never gets used the dust says it all.

I think i run this off of direct x software for the graphics chip built in to the motherboard.

and cause this thing has like 8g ram i can play some higher end stuff even with the outdated graphics card that never moves cause the fan never kicks on i had to use a nivida tool to purposely turn the fan on to see if it still even worked lol.

I been playing some of the newer games and hate to break it to you but most have a cash shop or a founders pack?

what this game is lacking is cintimatic movies and a better game engine then it can go toe to toe with BD and W.O.W on a social media scale and awareness of the game awesome cause how old this game is i think the programming was ahead of its time.

If you want more from pwi I think they should have a real online shop that sales real merchandise like shirts or sends out free posters to put up in comic shops and stores etc flyers pound the pavement.

If you see a guy or a girl wearing something that looks cool has PWI on it people will ask you what Pwi is?

selling point its like wow but you don't pay anything it's free and none of that lv 20 **** buy now.

game merchandisers gamestop shoot how about redeemable code gift cards.

I'm not trying to be mean but any play neverwinter it's like how did that make it onto a console?

I think pwi looks way better what's the difference ?

as bad as neverwinter game sucks and as horrible as it looks it has a freakin storyline even if its corny it has voice npc? and i think a few cinematics.

lets face it neverwinter is not a beautiful looking game.

look at the art work on pwi alone can you imagine the visual cintimatic are game would have?

neverwinter on gaming console's id never thought id see that day,

laiwaisan · July 2016

Wait are we not supposed to mention other mmos when comparing the cons etc to me its like comparing good movies etc ?

Like i wouldnt tell people to go play [That One Big MMO People Know] cause paying a subscription fee sounds to me like renting more bills suck lol i dont want another bill.

Ars : Yeah sorry, its one of those forum rules. Consistency and such. But hey you get a cool edit instead of redacted! Woo.

laiwaisan · July 2016

Well if i did a no no i am sorry in advance but honestly i think Pwi as a MMO is really awesome compare to some of the new ones and for the price 0$ no subscription no founders pack one time fee of 45-60 dollars none of that stuff and the ones that do have all of that stuff also have a cash shop on top of that no thanks.

People have said this game is pay to win but i think i saw some 12 year old running around with full r-9 didnt spend a dime just hustled in game ran with a helpful faction learn what to farm make and resale so you can get everything in this game for free if your willing to work for it use some brain the only downside is the time i think took him year and a half to max out.

so if a middle school kid can do it do any of us really have an excuse i mean kid goes to school and has homework so yeah.

sjampie · August 2016

mwk wrote: »

I played this game long ago. I played on the Lost City Server. Now hearing that this game now has 4 servers is quite a loss. PWE makes a reborn system, thus adding things that make us spend more, and more money. PWE needs to stop being furnaces for our money to even play this game at all! Also ever since Arc, I know that Arc just makes it worse on ping in some fashion. Besides before so called "Arc", there was manual patches. Now I'm not even sure if manual patches even exist? However, I try to patch this game and well nothing takes affect; so I stopped playing. Also some people have even said that new tech computers can't even play this game or at least some had a hard time for some reason. I used to get many FPS and now its at 1FPS; last time I played; also the same computer. Talk about poor GPU support that needs to be worked on!

I'm pretty sure 8G RAM-memory and 1G RAM-Graphics Card can handle this game quite well, nope GPU IS TERRIBLE!

The game I play now is [Redacted] and technically the graphics are better than PWI. I play at max settings. So thus the reason to why PWE is losing money is because of poor GPU support and also their P2W games being too much overboard! CASE CLOSED!

I think first of all is to get rid of ARC! It made things totally terrible by the way it connected you to the server. How ridiculous is it for someone to use a browser, just to get a launcher open? Just pointless and also another program task!

Ars : Removing mentions of other MMO's

Mmm... have 6GB RAM, 1GB GFX Card and my pc can handle it just fine. But I tested the GPU usage earlier. While writing this (and with several processes opened) the GPU usage sometimes goes to 1%. Nothing to worry about. When starting PWI this changes: walking trough Archosaur gives 30% to 65%, depending on if there are re ta rd ed (sorry, the word changed in stars lol) people letting their character(s)* standing on a so called 'afk spot'. The character screen is bad, giving a 60% to 90% usage without any reason. This all makes the GPU temperature rise and - if it hits 105 degrees Celsius - it should shutdown your computer.

* = noticed some people have more than 2 clients active.

PWE isn't losing money because of poor GPU support in PWI. Just look at the news for today (15% extra gold): people who like to be online in PWI will always buy Zen. It's like playing Pokemon Go and paying to get a nice virtual item lol. PWI is about to have fun, so spending some money can happen. If you haven't had any fun with it then yes, case closed and move on to another game. Like you I'm an "old" player and still like to move all around PWI servers. I still love this game.

To get rid of Arc you simply can use a shortcut to play PWI in which you should use 'startbypatcher' (search for it lol). Arc is only needed to update your files. To redeem codes you can use Arc or any browser. But I agree with you about Arc. This only because of the TOS, in this case article 28.1:

WHEN USING THE SERVICES, THE SOFTWARE MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER’S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) AND/OR CPU PROCESSES FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE SOFTWARE. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY “ADD-ON” OR “MOD,” THAT IN PWE’S SOLE DETERMINATION: (i) ENABLES OR FACILITATES CHEATING OF ANY TYPE; (ii) ALLOWS USERS TO MODIFY OR **** THE SOFTWARE INTERFACE, ENVIRONMENT, AND/OR EXPERIENCE IN ANY WAY NOT EXPRESSLY AUTHORIZED BY PWE; OR (iii) INTERCEPTS, “MINES,” OR OTHERWISE COLLECTS INFORMATION FROM OR THROUGH THE SOFTWARE. IN THE EVENT THAT THE SOFTWARE DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, IT MAY COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO PWE, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM WAS DETECTED; AND/OR AND PERFECT WORLD ENTERTAINMENT MAY EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS SECTION OF THE AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.

(b) PWE MAY MONITOR OR RECORD YOUR CHAT SESSIONS AND OTHER ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATION TRANSMITTED OR RECEIVED THROUGH THE GAME OR THE SERVICE AND YOU CONSENT TO SUCH MONITORING OR RECORDING.

(c) We do not guarantee the completeness, accuracy or correctness of any information passed between players.. We do not guarantee the safe keeping of information that is passed between players. You acknowledge that said information passed between users is ‘as is’ and that you will use such information only for your own risk.

(d) You acknowledge that in using the Service and/or Games, you may lose in-game features and/or items. You may not hold PWE responsible for any in-game feature or item loss. We do not guarantee the availability of any in-game items, any Service or any levels to players

edit: changed stars back

mwk · August 2016

I know for a fact that PWI has issues with GPU support! If people mention it, its true!

I remember sending my dxdiag logs and even my Nvidia info. Customer/Tech service says, "Update your graphics drivers". When really it did not solve my problem. The problem is that PWE has not updated their GPU support for some graphic cards.

I have NVIDIA ® Optimus™ technology, meaning I run two graphics cards. Could that be the problem of PWI not understanding the driver switching? Some bug/or glitch in code on the game itself to understand it? I especially tell it run on intregated graphics on desktop and then Nvidia on gaming. Perhaps PWE needs to work on this issue? Saying that as noted, my attention over the years leads me to thinking its really GPU support that causes everyone to just LAG or PING!

POOR CODED GPU SUPPORT=LOW FPS IN PWI

PLUS, I have had stretched polygons go all spiky and crazy before in Archosaur; refresh game and its gone. I wish I still had those screenshots. Also I even sent those screenshots long ago to Customer/Tech service, and they ignored me many of times. I'm sorry PWE, but over the years I have been disappointed with Customer/Tech service and that's the reason why I left. If you really would like to know this is one of your culprits having to go to 4 servers eventually. Its common sense to a fact PWE lost customers due to GPU support getting worse in PWI. It just adds up.

http://pwi-forum.gdevtalk.net/showthread4aa6.html?t=1754421

joecisco · August 2016

@mwk It's not that PWI has issues with GPU support, it's that it doesn't use the GPU. You have to remember, when the client engine was designed, a high-end consumer video card had DX7/8 and 32MB of RAM.

It also does not support more than one CPU core, so it doesn't matter that you've got 12 of them, the client only uses one. And if that bus happens to be busy, it will kill your FPS. (Not lag)

mwk · August 2016

I'm here to let you know what people are having trouble with, and it you tell me my post has to be approved?

mwk · August 2016

Oh, never mind the link search for it on google, it won't allow me to post it-the thread is closed.

www.arcgames.com/en/forums/pwi#/discussion/661733/grahpics-off-is-this-a-bug-i-hope?

I rest my case on GPU support.

People said it was the graphics card dying, I'm fine on the other game and been playing that game for years, so really its not the graphics card PERIOD! ITS the GPU support for the game. Because I have had these issues when playing the game over after updates since Nation Wars developed and also when Arc came into effect. PWE stop disappointing me when it can be fixed!

mwk · August 2016

If you really want to know someone else had these issues. This from the forum page itself that is closed and I copied the image from photobucket. Its GPU support! Not the graphic card dying, when I will repeat! I'm fine on the other game that I play now with max settings, better graphics than PWI, and also been playing for years! My graphics card has not died! MAKING A POINT OF EXPERIENCE!

mwk · August 2016

joecisco wrote: »

It also does not support more than one CPU core, so it doesn't matter that you've got 12 of them, the client only uses one. And if that bus happens to be busy, it will kill your FPS. (Not lag)

UHHH LIKE I SAID BEFORE BASICALLY! LOL

mwk · August 2016

So technically as saying its mostly GPU and a bit of CPU support due its lack of running with only one core on the client itself. Some people are lucky and some people are not. It really depends on the specs. Knowing this gaming laptop it should, but does not run well PWI these days due to the issues of lacking GPU support with PWI. I really hope this can be passed to the developers for reference that people do have issues and there is a must that is needed to be taken care of so that people can play again without issues. I all ready know my issues, so don't tell me otherwise that's its not the problem, when I don't have problems with the other MMO; I rest my case. Why have you not listened to us customers? Because literally PWE support never really helped. I do exactly as they say and still nothing. It sorta helps, but never to the margin of actual help. Sorry to say that I got ignored submitting support tickets after tickets, trying to show, and technically fix these problems. I know many people left because I saw less people last time I got online, but with very low FPS due to the issues of this game with bugs/glitches. So seriously PWE do yourself a favor and please do something about it!

CULPRIT-THERE IS A REASON WHY PWI MERGED TO 4 SERVERS! NOW YOU KNOW! STOP MESSING AROUND PWE! ITS BAD KARMA ON YOUR PART! REALLY SORRY FOR SAYING IT, BUT ITS TRUE.

KEEP IN MIND I'M THE ONE STANDING UP FOR ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE HAVING ISSUES WHEN THIS GAME RUNS.

dblazen1 · August 2016

Ok, let me sum this up for you a final time:
1. This game has NO GPU support. Period. Yes, it needs a GPU to output things to your screen, like every other single thing does. And if your GPU hardware or driver is toast, things will show as toast.
2. PWE can not help you with this, PWCN would have to recode the engine to actually support this, will that happen? Who knows. It's unlikely, they said they would update the engine like, 3 years or so ago, but nothing has been done about it so far.
3. You keep comparing a game that is way newer than PWI, to PWI. That's like saying HEY, MY **** 1800 PLANE DOESNT WORK AS WELL AS YOUR MODERN 2000 PLANE.
4. The image you are posting, and thread, are issues called artifacts, which are caused by failing hardware or overheating hardware. This is in no way an indication that the game has proper GPU support. It just means the hardware is failing in some way. And to avoid you saying "BUT BUT MUH GPU SUPPORT IT SHOWS BECAUSE IT'S ON SCREEN!", read point 1 I wrote.

The engine needs an overhaul, PWCN said they would do that 3-4 years ago when the original developers returned. Nothing has happened thus far and people should probably not get theirs hopes up about it.

joecisco · August 2016

dblazen1 wrote: »

4. The image you are posting, and thread, are issues called artifacts, which are caused by failing hardware or overheating hardware. This is in no way an indication that the game has proper GPU support. It just means the hardware is failing in some way. And to avoid you saying "BUT BUT MUH GPU SUPPORT IT SHOWS BECAUSE IT'S ON SCREEN!", read point 1 I wrote.

To be fair, it's also caused by having s**tty AMD or Intel GPU's and bad drivers. This has been a known issue since like 2009.

@mwk Merging servers has nothing at all to do with how the client renders on your system.
Also, most people have issues because of three things.
1. They are trying to play on a toaster.
2. They did not exclude the client from their security software. (Known issue since 2008)
3. Their internet is powered by squirrels, or it has to travel hundreds of miles undersea on a busy and congested trunk line.

dblazen1 · August 2016

joecisco wrote: »

dblazen1 wrote: »

4. The image you are posting, and thread, are issues called artifacts, which are caused by failing hardware or overheating hardware. This is in no way an indication that the game has proper GPU support. It just means the hardware is failing in some way. And to avoid you saying "BUT BUT MUH GPU SUPPORT IT SHOWS BECAUSE IT'S ON SCREEN!", read point 1 I wrote.

To be fair, it's also caused by having s**tty AMD or Intel GPU's and bad drivers. This has been a known issue since like 2009.

Yeah, mentioned that in the first point but forgot to add it to the fourth.
Regardless, drivers are hardly the issue for PWI nowadays.

also, amd drivers aren't even that bad anymore, I haven't had a single issue with their drivers in years

ITS QUITE THE NERVE OF GPU SUPPORT FOR SOME PEOPLE!

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